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MatthewG

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Material Israel... the 12 tribes.

Heavenly Israel... The ones whom were the bride of Christ had hope in this.

I believe the 1st century bride of the Lord Yeshua, seen Jesus come back through the clouds the same way he left.

It would only be to that area. So all the people who believe Jesus is coming back and the whole world would see him are wrong... making it so global, cause it just isn't true.

People can believe and choose to believe whatever they want to, but ... I believe what I said without any proof.


I told you already Im a man of faith, look forward be with God in the heavenly Kingdom if he so allows me to go in, on account of his son and everything he did, and not myself.
 

MatthewG

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Nope. I just mean 12 tribes of israel even the exiles.
 

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I believe the 1st century bride of the Lord Yeshua, seen Jesus come back through the clouds the same way he left.
Do you believe that Revelation 19 has been fulfilled ?
 

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In Joshua, I read all the lands which were given to the people of Israel, there was only one group that did not recieve any land.
 

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I believe all of Revelation has been fulfiled and the picture that remains is Revelation 21,22.
 

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I love how the heavenly kingdom is said to have 12 gates with stones for the 12 tribes of israel or something like that i love how it those gates never close, and how people are on the outside of the kingdom.

It's a much more beautiful picture than what most people come up with....

Im thankful for those first century bride of christ and the apostles that governed that church.

People think today they are in charge of like... governing some church today which will never be perfect and spotless and blameless as they were.
 

MatthewG

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Now am I saying everyone must adhere to the view that espoused!

Absolutely not! No one should believe anything I say!

They need to test all things by the spirit of the resurrected Lord Jesus for themselves.
 

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I believe all of Revelation has been fulfiled and the picture that remains is Revelation 21,22.
So who was the beast and the false prophets that were cast into the lake of fire in Revelation 19:20 ?
 

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Im not an anti-semite.

And though I can't answer every single question a person has.

I can say that, Jesus said he was coming quickly in that day in age, so... was everything mentioned in the revelation.

Including the great and dreadful day of the LORD.
 

MatthewG

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A jewish person was the one whom came and defiled the temple.

Claiming they were God... some say it was Nero but my mind has changed but I do believe Nero played a role in the destruction concerning the nation itself, with everyone who came after him.
 

MatthewG

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The abomination of desolation was --- a revolting community. (That Jewish community.)​
I find it amazing upon reading Revelation, these people that experienced God's wrath had time to repent... but instead of doing so they just continued to Curse Yahavah.​
All I know is that those thrown into the lake of fire concerning forever and ever, was for those three main ones, dont know why its worded like it is but it is and i am highly not bothred by this.​
Satan, beast and false prophet all done away with forever.​
After in revelation 21,22 you see people having part in the lake of fire but you do not have this intense wording.​
Many people love to do backwards thinking and connecting 21,22, and the whole Satan done away forever.​
However that's backwards thinking... Once Revealation 20 is completed, everything becomes new... once you progress forward so you cant connect it.​
It was the entire wrapping up of the Mosaic Age, signfiying it was finally over and completed. Revelation 1 - 20, the final remaining picture 21,22.​
 

MatthewG

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The remaining seemingly material like chapter 21, 22.

The need for the spirit of the resurrected Lord Jesus, is needed.

Cause there is no more tears, death, in Christ...

You find completion in abidin in him, his perfection, his rightouness, having hope of going to be with him after this life, being a child of Yahavah, and growing from a child to a son or daughter of God, as there are many measures of faith.

Some really close to God,
Some not so close to God,
Some even a little further out from God.


Paul mentiosn different glories in heaven, and that would concern the individauls spiritual body.

There are three resurrections

The resurrection of the condemned - outside of the kingdom - faithless.
The resurrection of life - faithful
The better resurrection - faithful - measure of faith probably more closer to God.


Jesus took care of sins, God raised him up by the holy spirit - Jesus did what could never do... he helps us by his spirit.

So,... Anyone saying Im crazy. Good.
 

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Revelation 19:
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Ezekiel 39:
17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.

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Ezekiel 39:17-20 feast is 7 years after the Gog/Magog event. Same as the feast in Revelation 19:17-18.

Ezekiel 39:21-29 is Jesus Himself speaking in the text, having returned to this earth (in the near future).
 

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All of those translation have when... in the latter years
Only the first one does. You did not read the rest, I think.

Describes the current Israel, which many Muslims nations seek to destroy.
Really? On horses? With swords?

I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army—your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords
Ez 38:4

And you will come from your place out of the far north—you and many peoples with you, all riding horses—a mighty horde, a huge army.

Ez 38:15
 
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Cool. Thanks!

Douggg..


I dont know how this will help me personally.

Im a man of faith.

I stopped worring about timelines and dates really. I just believe what is said and those people were real and it all happened in the first century.
We are also in the first century of the 21st century.
 

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Im very serious on the matters I have shared, whether other people are or not it's fine.


Love life while you can... stop hating the world so dang much.