Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

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ProDeo

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I think people can go access the bible book but not access God Himself.

I think many people get to know about God revealed in the writings within the bible but have never had direct personal interactions together with Him.

Now that's sad. He may say to them, away from Me, I never knew you. They could say, but I knew You Jesus, I read all about You. I even applied Your words to my life. I was baptised just like You were.

Jesus could be justified in responding, I never knew You. We were never in a personal relationship. You never came to Me and you never heard My voice. You were not one of My sheep. Away from Me.

That's odd coming from someone who heard from God Himself that everybody will be saved eventually. All the way that even the devil will sit at the left hand of God the Father and Christ on the right hand of God the Father.
 
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That's odd coming from someone who heard from God Himself that everybody will be saved eventually. All the way that even the devil will sit at the left hand of God the Father and Christ on the right hand of God the Father.
That's a good question.
I'll weigh in on it, if that's okay.

I think the words "... away from Me..." was not the end of the words (or deeds) Jesus had for them.
These that were found without a relationship with Him were in need of corrective, redemptive and restorative work before they could enter.

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That's a good question.
I'll weigh in on it, if that's okay.

I think the words "... away from Me..." was not the end of the words (or deeds) Jesus had for them.
These that were found without a relationship with Him were in need of corrective, redemptive and restorative work before they could enter.

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Absolutely. What Daniel was shown was not the full story by a long shot. The same with Paul when he was able to see into other realms. And also with John on Patmos when he was shown some future events.

God the Creator and His story has no end by virtue of His existence over endless ages.

Like these and others, I have been fortunate to get further revelation of God's story and I'm more than happy to share another part of the puzzle of the unfolding mystery of God.
 
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Like these and others, I have been fortunate to get further revelation of God's story and I'm more than happy to share another part of the puzzle of the unfolding mystery of God.
You're already in hot water (trouble) with some here.
I'd say, "Go for it."

Water boils at 360 degrees Fahrenheit. After that it's a gas.
I suppose that's why our forum mates get so steamed. - LOL

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Absolutely. What Daniel was shown was not the full story by a long shot. The same with Paul when he was able to see into other realms. And also with John on Patmos when he was shown some future events.

God the Creator and His story has no end by virtue of His existence over endless ages.

Like these and others, I have been fortunate to get further revelation of God's story and I'm more than happy to share another part of the puzzle of the unfolding mystery of God.

You have spoken a prophecy right from the throne of God that everybody will be saved eventually. All the way that even the devil will sit at the left hand of God the Father and Christ on the right hand of God the Father.

And what if you are wrong ?

What if the wish is the father of the doctrine ?
 

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Like these and others, I have been fortunate to get further revelation of God's story and I'm more than happy to share another part of the puzzle of the unfolding mystery of God.

Arn't you the person who told us that you dont use a Bible, and you get all your revelations from voices inside your head instead? @One 2 question
 
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You have spoken a prophecy right from the throne of God that everybody will be saved eventually. All the way that even the devil will sit at the left hand of God the Father and Christ on the right hand of God the Father.

And what if you are wrong ?

What if the wish is the father of the doctrine ?
Friend coddling dont work . Though i do appreciate the fact you are warning .
Its not WHAT IF he is wrong . HE IS wrong , dead wrong
As i am sure you do agree we are to preach ONE gospel
not two .
And the one true gospel DARN SURE SAID YE MUST BELEIVE AND CONFESS JESUS THE CHRIST to be saved .
SO here is my warning to these people
who try and preach a, well another gospel .
Beware lest that come upon you which was written
BEHOLD , wonder AND PERISH . notice that says PERISH
for i work a work in your days that you will in no wise beleive though a man declare it unto you .
THERE AINT no universal salvation to those who reject JESUS
THERE IS ONLY THIS
ALL liars , UNBELEIVERS , LAKE OF FIRE be their home .
And we darn sure dont want to add too or take from that book , KNOW what i MEAN .
 
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Arn't you the person who told us that you dont use a Bible, and you get all your revelations from voices inside your head instead? @One 2 question
Sou nds like a lot today do the same .
Either its that or its they heed men WHO TWISTED what little bible they do read
Unto their own d estructoin .
OH many are indeed hearing a voice
and this voice has many voices of co workers .
But this voice is the voice of THE FATHER OF LIES who has many co workers
who are inventing the largest road to what THEY THINK and SAY IS GOD that i have ever seen .
GOTTA SAY that broad multi lane freeway they think leads to GOD
LEADS only to THEIR OWN DESTR UCTION on the DAY and JUDGEMNT OF ALL MIGHTY GOD and the LAMB .
As for me , ITS JESUS this sheep points too , cause all else be vain . anything contrary to Christ
no mat ter how loving it may have sounded , IS A LIE and VAIN and VAINTY leading ONLY to the SECOND death .
I Hope that was grave enough and to THE POINT .
 
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You have spoken a prophecy right from the throne of God that everybody will be saved eventually. All the way that even the devil will sit at the left hand of God the Father and Christ on the right hand of God the Father.

And what if you are wrong ?

What if the wish is the father of the doctrine ?
Not WHAT IF
HE IS . total blashemy he does speak . THE gospel IS DENIED ON HIS WATCH , THUS JESUS is DENEID ON HIS Watch
THUS GOD is denied on his watch .
I hope that wasnt too coddling , cause i can darn sure be far more grave if need be .
That man preaches BLASPHEMY . and i aint afraid to call it out either . Now on those feet my freind .
On those f eet . cause that is todays big ol inclusive gospel , and friend ITS ALL VAINTY they do preach
leading only to the second death . It saves none and damns all who partake of it .
ITS that serious .
 
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You're already in hot water (trouble) with some here.
I'd say, "Go for it."

Water boils at 360 degrees Fahrenheit. After that it's a gas. - LOL

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better knock some degrees of that one . It aint three hundred and sixty .
However since you did bring up a heat that is hotter than the original
ALLOW ME TO DO the same .
THE LAKE OF FIRE BURNS far fiecer than many think it do .
There will be NO AC , no comforts in that .
Only torments and destruction . AND ALL UNBELIVERS WILL BE THERE .
TO DENY THE DIRE NEED TO HAVE TO HAVE HAD TO BELEIVE ON JESUS
and rather preached a universalsim fake love
IS TO DENY THE GOSPEL . IS TO DENY JESUS and IS TO DENY GOD .
ANY who beleives NOT the testimony THAT GOD the FATHER gave OF THE SON
IS CALLING GOD A LIAR . and we all know all liars shall have thier part in that lake of fire .
SO , YEAH , lets repeat after me , ITS BIBLE TIME in the house and time we learn for ourselves RIGHT NOW , ASAP quick
or remain decieved by thoughts and doctrines of men and see the LAKE OF FIRE at ones end .
OH its that serious .
CALLING GOD a LIAR , OH ITS HAS SERIOUS DESTRUTION written all over it . NOT a good end at all .
JESUS Preaching time and we had better darn sure know its JESUS we follow , for many folllow another jesus and that one
dont save .
 
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Arn't you the person who told us that you dont use a Bible, and you get all your revelations from voices inside your head instead? @One 2 question
IF any preaches ANY OTHER gospel unto you let them be accursed .
You do realize that if one comes and lips HE beleives JESUS is the CHRIST and that GOD rose him from the dead ,
AND THEN TURNS AROUND and with
those same lips ADDS TO OR TAKES FROM the gospel
OF YE MUST BELEIVE TO BE SAVED
THEY PREACHING ANOTHER GOSPEL my friend . And that wont bode well for them at their end .
CAUSE calling the gospel a lie by implying somehow it dont matter if one beleived or not
IS TO DENY THE GOSPEL
AND thus in effect THEY DO DENY JESUS
and thus THEY DO DENY GOD and call HIM a liar .
And that aint A GOOD END at all for those who do such a thing . We better all be on gaurd
cause the RCC and its INVENTION of abraham accords interfaith interreligious dialgoue
IS D ARN SURE BEING DONE now by EVEN MANY PROSTESTANTS . A FIERCE fire awaits them
We better GET OUT OF this and have no part of it . expose it and preach JESUS now . WHILE there still be time to do so .
 
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You have spoken a prophecy right from the throne of God that everybody will be saved eventually. All the way that even the devil will sit at the left hand of God the Father and Christ on the right hand of God the Father.

And what if you are wrong ?

What if the wish is the father of the doctrine ?
O2q also said 'all humans will be in hell forever and ever'. lol
 

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You're already in hot water (trouble) with some here.
I'd say, "Go for it."

Water boils at 360 degrees Fahrenheit. After that it's a gas.
I suppose that's why our forum mates get so steamed. - LOL
Christians truly do get 'steamed' when you attack God of the Bible with nearly all your threads! That seems to be your main purpose here.
 
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So, if you deconstruct Penal Substitution, what is the meaning of Christ's death in the biblical context?

Among the well known things, to shut up every accusation the devil made against Him.
1John 3:8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.
 
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The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.

One of the "works of the devil" is when a person wants people to doubt the bible, by claiming there are "errors in it".

The Devil was the very first "bible corrector", as he corrected God's word and Eve believed Him.

Moral of that story? ?? = is that Bible correcting Devils are very convincing in Pulpits and on Forums.

Another "work of the devil" is to teach any Gospel that is Not Paul's Gospel.

Another work of the Devil, is to create worship for Mary, or to teach that the original Greek is the only '""real"" word of God.

Another work of the Devil are all the "cults" that pretend to be "Christian"....Like JW's or Christian Science.

Another work of the Devil is the current world wide Hatred of Israel.

Another work of the Devil is most of the World Media.

Satan has a lot of His "works" up and running.
 

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I have encountered some that I thought had fallen into this trap.

I asked them, "What would become of your faith if you put your whole library out on the curb on trash day?"
The guilty are left mostly speechless. Or, alternatively VERY angry. How come?

To be clear, I love the Bible and use it every day. But I know the difference between the book and the author.
In my experience, my relationship with the author is much more important than my relationship with the book.
Appropriate scriptures come to my mind all day long. Due to the work of the Spirit to quicken these things to my memory.

The Bible is not omniscient. (all knowing)
The Bible is not omnipresent. (everywhere present)
The Bible is not omnipotent. (all powerful)

The Bible does NOT love me.
It's paper and ink, maybe a leather cover. (or digital info)
That cow didn't die to pay my sin debt.

A true Bibliolator will demand chapter and verse to support my premise. - LOL

The bottom line:
Let's use the Bible to grow closer to God and each other, rather than as a weapon to destroy each other.

John 13:35 NIV
By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
Who do you know that worships the Bible stevie? Nobody maybe? Why are you in a Christian Forum besides attacking God of the Bible and leading people to Hell?
 
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