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[Earburner]

And you only have feelings and opinions to back that up! while gods word says Matthias was chosen.

Peter made his choice to replace Judas for God BEFORE he received the Holy Spirit.

You have a literal problem of being only a literalist. See 1 Cor. 2:9-16
[12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but [that] which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

And my7 point is that God who inspired the word of God, said Matthias was an apostle. According to you God lied!

Where!!? Peter was not yet anointed or appointed by the Holy Spirit to carry out such a godly task.
There are many in church-ianity today doing the same!!
Peter took it upon himself to fulfill a position of authority without first having the Holy Spirit.

I cannot recant for it is Scripture!
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Because "church-ianity" has interpreted Dan. 9:24-27 for you, and you believe it, you being agreeable to their false interpretation, is your error.

Rea teh verse and see who the angel says who and what city are involved.

You reinterpret it to fit I think a preterist agenda.

I know Jesus purchased salvation for all who believe but that is not what Dan. 9:24 says- it says Israel is to do things! Not Jesus!

But I am still waiting for you to show fro history when Jesus accomplished all six things as written.

Sorry but teh desolate of Daniel is singular and not plural. You learn these things when you learn basic grammar.

And why shoulod I accept your spiritual reinterpretations of Scripture? You have joined the ranks of legions who all make the same claim as you and disagree with you with their spiritual reinterpretations YOu are doing the same as thousands before you.

So do you belong to a local assembly of believers and under the authority of a pastor teacher as commanded in Scripture?

And you have made your self the spokesperson for the Holy Spirit by self proclamation. for if anyone disagrees with , you have already declared they are part of "churchianity". In relaity you have lifted yourself above all other believers as the fount of truth.
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Like it or not, the 70th week is truly the week of Jesus in the flesh, confirming the covenant in the flesh for 3.5 years, was crucified in the midst of that week, and then continued confirming the covenant with the Apostles and the early church by His Holy Spirit for the remaining 3.5 years. Paul the Apostle, chosen of Christ, is our witness.

 

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According to the religions of church-ianity, Matthias is "their" man. But as to Jesus' choice for Judas' replacement, it most definitely was Paul.

Actually, Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles.

Matthias was chosen to testify of Jesus' ministry from beginning to end. Paul did not qualify for that role.

Much love!

 

[Earburner]

And you only have feelings and opinions to back that up! while gods word says Matthias was chosen.

And my7 point is that God who inspired the word of God, said Matthias was an apostle. According to you God lied!

I cannot recant for it is Scripture!
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Rea teh verse and see who the angel says who and what city are involved.

You reinterpret it to fit I think a preterist agenda.

I know Jesus purchased salvation for all who believe but that is not what Dan. 9:24 says- it says Israel is to do things! Not Jesus!

But I am still waiting for you to show fro history when Jesus accomplished all six things as written.

Sorry but teh desolate of Daniel is singular and not plural. You learn these things when you learn basic grammar.

And why shoulod I accept your spiritual reinterpretations of Scripture? You have joined the ranks of legions who all make the same claim as you and disagree with you with their spiritual reinterpretations YOu are doing the same as thousands before you.

So do you belong to a local assembly of believers and under the authority of a pastor teacher as commanded in Scripture?

And you have made your self the spokesperson for the Holy Spirit by self proclamation. for if anyone disagrees with , you have already declared they are part of "churchianity". In relaity you have lifted yourself above all other believers as the fount of truth.
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What?? You never heard the prophetic scriptures taught according to the Amillennial view?

Are you saying that you have NO interpretation of the scriptures by the Holy Spirit (the mind of Christ) within you?
That is to say that you do have interpretations, but only by what is literally written through the doctrines of your church, and how they interpret scripture for you.

 

[Earburner]

Actually, Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles.

Matthias was chosen to testify of Jesus' ministry from beginning to end. Paul did not qualify for that role.

Much love!

Ever since Jesus died and resurrected, God has a serious surprise for you and all:
Rom. 10
[11] For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
[12] For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
[13] For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Edit: btw, there is no record of Matthias anywhere of him saying or doing anything, except to visit an island of cannibals. No one heard anything of his return, and therefore he probably ended up on the menu.

 

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Ever since Jesus died and resurrected, God has a serious surprise for you and all:

It seems you take that verse as a way to negate what the Bible said specifically about these men, so I'll leave you to it.

Much love!

 

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Edit: btw, there is no record of Matthias anywhere of him saying or doing anything, except to visit an island of cannibals. No one heard anything of his return, and therefore probably he ended up on the menu.

I've never heard ignorance of history to be a valid reason to overturn plainly stated Scripture.

Much love!

 

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And my point is that God who inspired the word of God, said Matthias was an apostle.

Even Paul himself understood Matthias to be the true replacement for Judas:

1 Corinthians 15:3-8 YLT
3) for I delivered to you first, what also I did receive, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Writings,
4) and that he was buried, and that he hath risen on the third day, according to the Writings,
5) and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve,
6) afterwards he appeared to above five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain till now, and certain also did fall asleep;
7) afterwards he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.
8) And last of all—as to the untimely birth—he appeared also to me,

Question:

Who were "the twelve" that did not include Paul?

Anyone?

Much love!

 

[Earburner]

It seems you take that verse as a way to negate what the Bible said specifically about these men, so I'll leave you to it.

Much love!

Where does the scriptures say that Matthias was chosen by Jesus as were the others??
It doesn't.
However, Paul was chosen personally by Jesus.
As a result, you have no grounds to accuse me of anything.

 

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Where does the scriptures say that Matthias was chosen by Jesus as were the others??
It doesn't.
However, Paul was chosen personally by Jesus.

1 Corinthians 15:3-8 KJV
3) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4) And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5) And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6) After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7) After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8) And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

When Paul wrote about Jesus appearing to "the twelve", and later appearing to himself, who was Paul referring to as "the twelve"?

Much love!

 

[Earburner]

It seems you take that verse as a way to negate what the Bible said specifically about these men, so I'll leave you to it.

Much love!

Oh, did you mean the verse that you "negated" from my post, by neglecting to include it in your copy of my post?

Since you did not reference it, I will do that here:
Rom. 10[12] For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

 

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ince you did not reference it, I will do that here:
Rom. 10[12] For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Exactly!

This does not negate the fact that Paul refers to the "the twelve", and makes them separate from himself. So Paul disagreed with you.

Much love!

 

[Earburner]

1 Corinthians 15:3-8 KJV
3) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4) And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5) And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6) After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7) After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8) And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

When Paul wrote about Jesus appearing to "the twelve", and later appearing to himself, who was Paul referring to as "the twelve"?

Much love!

I never said that Matthias was not considered to be one of the twelve according to men.
What I am saying is that Matthias was never chosen by Jesus, BUT Paul was, which was TO PROVE that Jesus Himself WAS INDEED confirming the covenant AFTER His resurrection by His Holy Spirit for the latter HALF of the 70th week of 7 years.

Edit: reposted from #81-
Like it or not, the 70th week is truly the week of Jesus in the flesh, confirming the covenant in the flesh for 3.5 years, was crucified in the midst of that week, and then continued confirming the covenant with the Apostles and the early church by His Holy Spirit for the remaining 3.5 years.

Paul the Apostle, chosen by Christ, is our witness.

 

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I never said that Matthias was not considered to be one of the twelve according to men.
What I am saying is that Matthias was never chosen by Jesus, BUT Paul was, which was TO PROVE that Jesus Himself WAS INDEED confirming the covenant AFTER His resurrection by His Holy Spirit for the latter HALF of the 70th week of 7 years.

I don't really think that you know better than Paul on this point. I'm going to stick with what he wrote. And shall we consider that the Holy Spirit inspired his writings?

Much love!

 

[Earburner]

1 Corinthians 15:3-8 KJV
3) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4) And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5) And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6) After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7) After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8) And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

When Paul wrote about Jesus appearing to "the twelve", and later appearing to himself, who was Paul referring to as "the twelve"?

Much love!

You didn't answer the question.
"Where does the scriptures say that Matthias was chosen by Jesus as were the others??
It doesn't.
However, Paul was chosen personally by Jesus."

This is not a tricky question, nor do I have a problem with it. In fact, it's quite common among born again Christians today. Many attempt to discern whether their Denominational Bishops, Pastors, Bible teachers are called of God or whether they called themselves into their religious positions.

Being chosen by a majority vote of a committee, is alot like the voting process that was for Matthias.
In "the luck of the draw", there is always a winner, but not necessarily are they chosen of God.

 

[Earburner]

I don't really think that you know better than Paul on this point. I'm going to stick with what he wrote. And shall we consider that the Holy Spirit inspired his writings?

Much love!

I don't think that you are grasping the enormity of what I am talking about.
The life of Matthias is "a drop in the bucket" of importance, in comparison to understanding the reality of Jesus' 70th week of 7 years.

In time, it truthfully HAS BEEN fully manifested in its calculation of (3.5 yrs.+3.5 yrs.=7.0 yrs.) as opposed to where men want to move the 70th week to in time future.
Do try to discern "the midst of the WEEK" of 7 years and what happened to the Messiah!! Did the latter 3.5 years continue in time, without moving anywhere into the future prophetically? YES!! It did.
Was the Spirit of Jesus working in those latter 3.5 years? YES, He was, and He chose Paul.

Paul is the witness to us that Jesus was actively confirming the covenant after His resurrection and Ascension.

 

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I don't think that you are grasping the enormity of what I am talking about.

It's what we were talking about. But if you are done on that topic, OK. I can understand that. Scripture refutes your point, and you no longer wish to discuss it. Got it!

And if you've built a house of cards on this notion, well, sorry about that! Your theory depends on something the Bible does not affirm, and rather affirms otherwise.

This is the kind of thing we need to be able to accept when we find it. When our ideas aren't actually Scriptural.

Much love!

 

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You didn't answer the question.
"Where does the scriptures say that Matthias was chosen by Jesus as were the others??
It doesn't.
However, Paul was chosen personally by Jesus."

It's not a trick question, it's a moot question.

Where does it say that Matthias was not intended by God to be the 12th, as acknowledged by Paul? Where does it say the lot did not show Jesus' choice?

Rather, Paul tacitly affirms Matthias is the 12th. Deal with it.

Much love!

 

[MatthewG]

When it comes to when Matthias being picked. It was on lots. It was not like Paul.

Remember in the old testament before David was picked, they tossed lots, and it was God who like confirm the chosen one or something like that.

While people may have issues with that - you never ever again hear of Matthias.


Ah the old testament who cares about that tho... lol.

 

[Earburner]

It's not a trick question, it's a moot question.

Where does it say that Matthias was not intended by God to be the 12th, as acknowledged by Paul?

Rather, Paul tacitly affirms Matthias is the 12th. Deal with it.

Much love!

My point, in spite of what men think, is that God did not choose Matthias, but rather men did, through "the game of chance".
Peter never waited to think that God may have had a selection of His own.

Because Peter was pushing his agenda to fulfill a prophecy in the book of Psalms, Matthias is now accepted among men to be the 12th, as shown in Acts1:24-26. However, there is no literal statement from Jesus to anyone that He Himself chose Matthias. Do you understand?

The "say so" that Matthias is the 12th is of men, not God and is only proved to be so by "the game of chance", where even the candidates, being only two, were rushed forward to choose from.

Therefore, I firmly believe that Paul really was God's choice to be the replacement to Judas, and as we all know he was mightily used of by God. I think that in the end, even Peter recognized that Matthias was not God's choice, but rather that it really was Paul all along.

As for Matthias, there is NO history about him, except that soon after his appointment by men, he went to an island of cannibals, and never returned.

 

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My point, in spite of what men think, is that God did not choose Matthias, but rather men did, through "the game of chance".
Peter never waited to think that God may have had a selection of His own.

This is only your personal assumption, not supported in the Bible, which acknowledges Matthias as one of the 12, and Paul the Apostle to the gentiles.

Do you understand?

You can assume Peter was wrong, or you can assume Peter was right. Paul wrote as though Peter was right to do as he did.

I'm endlessly amazed at those who form doctrines that are against the reading of Scripture, yet that means nothing to them.

Much love!