No one has seen God at any time, John?

[ScottA]

2 Corinthians 12:1-4
1 Surely it is of no profit for me to boast: but I come to visions and revelations of the LORD.
2 I know a man, prior to fourteen years in Meshiah, whether in the body, I know not, or whether out of the body, I know not: Elohim knows the certain such a one was caught up into the third heaven.
3 Also I know a man, a certain such a one, whether in the body, or whether out of the body, I know not: Elohim knows
4 that he was caught up into the Paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

The old man Sha'ul, or Saul, is caught up into the third heaven. The new man Paul is caught up into the Paradise, (yes, with the article it is emphatic, a proper noun, (hence, upper case "P")).

It is the new man Paul who hears unspeakable words which are not lawful for a man to utter: who does Paul hear? He hears his old man Saul blaspheming because both of them are being crucified with Meshiah.

The Gospel known as Luke is Paul's Gospel, (see Luke 23:39-43 concerning the above).
It appears you chose wrong in choosing "the third heaven", O prophet.

Indeed there was a local and personal context from which Paul wrote. But no, I have not wrongly chosen, but revealed what he could not fully say until the times were fulfilled. That lesser context even includes that in part he did not know. But I know.

 

[Matthias]

John 1:1-2 KJV
1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2) The same was in the beginning with God.

Again, putting false words into the Apostle's mouth.

John is a Jewish monotheist, just like Jesus himself is. I affirm John 1:1-2. In fact, I affirm everything John wrote in the prologue of his Gospel.

This is a clear example of constructing on a false foundation.

 

[marks]

Jesus himself is a Jewish monotheist. When you speak against Jewish monotheism, you speak against Jesus’ theology.

Endless repetion of falsehoods does not make for truth.

 

[Matthias]

Endless repetion of falsehoods does not make for truth.

That’s right, yet you lodge false accusations against me while saying nothing to @ScottA who has said in this thread that trinitarians reject Christ and will weep and gnash their teeth.

 

[ScottA]

I tested the spirit using the means prescribed and commended in scripture.

Then time will tell. Meanwhile the times are fulfilled by God with both revealing and restraint.

 

[Matthias]

Then time will tell.

It already has. Now what you said to me about the trinitarians is being seen by at least one of the trinitarians. Let’s see / hear what he thinks about the spirit which told you that.

Meanwhile the times are fulfilled by God with both revealing and restraint.

 

[ScottA]

That’s right, yet you lodge false accusations against me while saying nothing to @ScottA who has said in this thread that trinitarians reject Christ and will weep and gnash their teeth.

That is not a correct representation of what I said.

 

[Matthias]

That is not a correct representation of what I said.

See what you said in post #126 and #133. Represent it as you wish to.

 

[marks]

That’s right, yet you lodge false accusations against me while saying nothing to @ScottA who has said in this thread that trinitarians reject Christ and will weep and gnash their teeth.

Triangulation? No thanks. That's more a schoolgirl thing.

I reply to the posts I read.

 

[Matthias]

Do you say that the trinitarians reject Christ in some way?

What was your response to my question @ScottA?

Post # 133. ”Yes.”

 

[Matthias]

Triangulation? No thanks. That's more a schoolgirl thing.

I reply to the posts I read.

Read the post (#133) where he said you reject Christ.

 

[marks]

That is not a correct representation of what I said.

I didn't think so.

Much love!

 

[Riven]

@Riven do you want in on this? You can learn a lot in this thread.

Sure. Although I'm a little confused by the premise. Didnt Moses see God's back, or something to that effect?

 

[marks]

Read the post (#133) where he said you reject Christ.

Listen to me. I'm not playing into your triangulation.

 

[Matthias]

Listen to me. I'm not playing into your triangulation.

Listen to him.

 

[Matthias]

Sure. Although I'm a little confused by the premise. Didnt Moses see God's back, or something to that effect?

He did.

 

[marks]

In Jewish monotheism, the Messiah consistently acts within the constraints of his theology at all times.

Rather, Jesus lived according to His purpose.

Philippians 2:5-8 KJV
5) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

 

[Matthias]

No, I was saying that with those who reject Christ in any way, whether beginning or end, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

You absolutely did say that trinitarians reject Christ; therefore ”those” logically includes trinitarians.

You can’t escape what you said about the trinitarians but, if you want to, you can spin how they aren’t included among those who will weep and gnash their teeth. If you do, please address it to the attention of @marks.

 

[ScottA]

What was your response to my question @ScottA?

Post # 133. ”Yes.”

Yes is true, but again (apparently for lack of understanding) you misrepresent what I said.

Israel (for the most part, officially) rejected Christ...in the flesh. The Church (for the most part, officially) have rejected Christ...in the Spirit.

 

[dak]

Indeed there was a local and personal context from which Paul wrote. But no, I have not wrongly chosen, but revealed what he could not fully say until the times were fulfilled. That lesser context even includes that in part he did not know. But I know.

Ah, so you are now also more knowledgeable than Paul.