Not a future seeing Jesus coming guy

[MatthewG]

You can discuss all you like, but you have nothing else to add for me personally. Therefore I request you just ignore me if you do not mind.

Thank you. I am done with your conversations with me now if it has nothing new to add.

As stated prior, hope you all the best. But people with circular arguments do not realize it's verbal abuse.


I respect your view, I just do not believe it to be true. Again thank you for engaging.

 

[quietthinker]

QuietThinker, there is nothing wrong with teaching. Is there? Sure who at the end of the day is having faith and loving.

I can't judge that. God will.

Misunderstanding has greater implications than is obvious. It puts one on a path which determines attitude and behaviour.
We could use the disciples before the resurrection as a case in point.
The principle stands true all through history....not only in religious realities but in secular ones as well. Believing the Earth is flat as an explorer has its determining parameters inherent.

Insisting on misunderstanding is not like parallel lines where one can travel along side a truth, it is actually more like diverging lines where the more one insists, the greater the distance from the point of departure results.
The slippery and tricky part is being convinced that one's misunderstanding is the revelation of accurate understanding. Subsequently, Jesus counsels us to be 'careful HOW you hear' Luke 8:18

 

[Douggg]

You can discuss all you like, but you have nothing else to add for me personally. Therefore I request you just ignore me if you do not mind.

Thank you. I am done with your conversations with me now if it has nothing new to add.

As stated prior, hope you all the best. But people with circular arguments do not realize it's verbal abuse.


I respect your view, I just do not believe it to be true. Again thank you for engaging.

You have the option to click on another poster's screen symbol and click "ignore" if you so wish - so that you will not view their posts.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The world will be saying "peace and safety" because it will have been deceived into thinking it has entered the messianic age.

How could that happen if a bunch of literal major physical catastrophes are going on all over the world?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Essentially the same yes.

No, exactly the same. Two ways of referring to the same kingdom. It's not as if Jesus was saying it's hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven and also hard for a rich man to enter the separate kingdom of God. The kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God are just two ways of referring to the same one kingdom.

But the timing is that Jesus received His kingdom in heaven - when he ascended to heaven in Acts 1. And will bring his kingdom of heaven to be the Kingdom of God here on earth. In the Lord's prayer, we are taught to pray - "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven".

We are in the kingdom of heaven/God right now spiritually. Do you acknowledge that? The kingdom of heaven/God will encompass the entire earth in its fullness after Jesus comes in the form of the new heavens and new (renewed) earth, but that doesn't mean we are not in the kingdom of heaven/God right now spiritually as well.

Romans 14:17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

 

[Douggg]

How could that happen if a bunch of literal major physical catastrophes are going on all over the world?

The 7 years begin when the prince that shall come is perceived by the Jews as their long awaited messiah.

The false prophet anoints the prince that shall come as the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah, making the person the Antichrist.

In that role as the King of Israel, the Antichrist will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 year period Moses required in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

So the 7 years begin. No catastrophes going on in the world, except maybe a small muslim uprising to the Jews rebuilding their temple on the temple mount - and destroying the Dome of the Rock and Al Asqua mosque.

"Peace and safety" mode in the world for around three years.

Then totally unexpected, the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act of Daniel 8:13 described in 2Thessaloinans2:4 of going into the temple, sitting, claiming to have achieved God-hood. Revealing himself as the man of sin, and not the Jewish messiah after all. End of his stage of being the Antichrist. The Jews will renounce him as their King of Israel.

War breaks out. In Ezekiel 28:1-10, God has strangers come against the revealed man of sin and has him assassinated, mortally wounded.

In Isaiah 14:18-20, God in total disdain for the person, a Jew, who destroys his own people and land, casts him out of the grave, i.e. brings him back to life.

In Revelation 13, he is the mortally wounded but healed head. Becoming the beast-king. Which the false prophet has an image made of the beast-king and placed on the temple mount as the abomination of desolation.

And the great tribulation begins. During which, the catastrophes that you speak of will take place.

 

[Douggg]

We are in the kingdom of heaven/God right now spiritually. Do you acknowledge that?

The kingdom is within us. We have not entered the kingdom of heaven yet. When a Christian dies, their soul goes to heaven, where the kingdom of heaven is. When the rapture takes place, the raptured Christians will be translated and taken to heaven with Christ.

 

[quietthinker]

The 7 years begin when the prince that shall come is perceived by the Jews as their long awaited messiah.

The false prophet anoints the prince that shall come as the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah, making the person the Antichrist.

In that role as the King of Israel, the Antichrist will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 year period Moses required in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

So the 7 years begin. No catastrophes going on in the world, except maybe a small muslim uprising to the Jews rebuilding their temple on the temple mount - and destroying the Dome of the Rock and Al Asqua mosque.

"Peace and safety" mode in the world for around three years.

Then totally unexpected, the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act of Daniel 8:13 described in 2Thessaloinans2:4 of going into the temple, sitting, claiming to have achieved God-hood. Revealing himself as the man of sin, and not the Jewish messiah after all. End of his stage of being the Antichrist. The Jews will renounce him as their King of Israel.

War breaks out. In Ezekiel 28:1-10, God has strangers come against the revealed man of sin and has him assassinated, mortally wounded.

In Isaiah 14:18-20, God in total disdain for the person, a Jew, who destroys his own people and land, casts him out of the grave, i.e. brings him back to life.

In Revelation 13, he is the mortally wounded but healed head. Becoming the beast-king. Which the false prophet has an image made of the beast-king and placed on the temple mount as the abomination of desolation.

And the great tribulation begins. During which, the catastrophes that you speak of will take place.

As you look ahead for the fabled antichrist he will be right under your nose unrecognised just as the Messiah Jesus was right under the nose of the Jews....unrecognised.
You will not see because your paradigm wont allow it just as they (the Jews) did not see because their paradigm didn't allow it.....so they refused even while the evidence was in their face. Such is the nature and practice of deception.

 

[covenantee]

The kingdom is within us. We have not entered the kingdom of heaven yet. When a Christian dies, their soul goes to heaven, where the kingdom of heaven is. When the rapture takes place, the raptured Christians will be translated and taken to heaven with Christ.

"will be translated"

Your futurized fallacy.

Colossians 1
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

"hath translated"

The Father's present reality.

 

[MatthewG]

Sorry everyone!

This is not a debate thread.

While you can share your views, you'll only go so far.

You will be better off just being honest with your views, and outlooks...

People can say I am a false person who is spreading information that is all false and it shouldn't be believed.

That is why I share - Never believe anything I say. No one else says this... on this board period... I never seen it beside me myself. Someone may have said it to me once or twice personally but still... its the fact that people are so darn sure of themselves!

Test all things and hold on to what is Good! - God not destroying this world is a good thing, and allowing people live here and continue to move forward to the heavenly realm is a great thing (atleast to me.)

Anyway! I am someone who believes that Jesus has already come back. I am 34 years old, and most people on this website are much older than me, continue to believe that Jesus is coming back still today.


Well techincally he does come to us a second time by virtue of helping us by the spirit, however the first century bride of Christ, shouldn't be ignored...

People want this earth eradicated - and they expect to live on this earth with Jesus and everything is all merry and fine.

Cool! I don't expect that. If I seen that in the Apostlic record and it was true I would believe that.

I've taken time to read the narrative... people should be encouraged to do so themselves.

Last time I sat in read the bible actually has been months ago... so...

I have an extremely sharp memory though concerning what I have read cause I did it so many times for 8 years.

I need to go back and do it again, so... be encouraged.

Im pretty set in my ways like a sick cow that can't get up and move anymore and needs to be put down.

 

[soberxp]

never sit under a harlot my friend .
Always remember that a harlot knows what to say and to do to please the flesh of man to have a man sit under her .
Never heed a harlot .
Just a friendly reminder to us all . a harlots love is deadly.

What ever do you mean my friend . That i choose to Beleive some and not some .

Then you must be dead wrong.
Babylon is the place on the map of the earth where is the The position of a woman to conceive a child/baby.
Trade routes from all over the world pass through here,



But you think the woman in the sky is...

 

[Douggg]

Sorry everyone!

This is not a debate thread.

While you can share your views, you'll only go so far.

You will be better off just being honest with your views, and outlooks...

People can say I am a false person who is spreading information that is all false and it shouldn't be believed.

That is why I share - Never believe anything I say. No one else says this... on this board period... I never seen it beside me myself. Someone may have said it to me once or twice personally but still... its the fact that people are so darn sure of themselves!

Test all things and hold on to what is Good! - God not destroying this world is a good thing, and allowing people live here and continue to move forward to the heavenly realm is a great thing (atleast to me.)

Anyway! I am someone who believes that Jesus has already come back. I am 34 years old, and most people on this website are much older than me, continue to believe that Jesus is coming back still today.


Well techincally he does come to us a second time by virtue of helping us by the spirit, however the first century bride of Christ, shouldn't be ignored...

People want this earth eradicated - and they expect to live on this earth with Jesus and everything is all merry and fine.

Cool! I don't expect that. If I seen that in the Apostlic record and it was true I would believe that.

I've taken time to read the narrative... people should be encouraged to do so themselves.

Last time I sat in read the bible actually has been months ago... so...

I have an extremely sharp memory though concerning what I have read cause I did it so many times for 8 years.

I need to go back and do it again, so... be encouraged.

Im pretty set in my ways like a sick cow that can't get up and move anymore and needs to be put down.

Matthew, when your posts focus "on you", that invites others to comment "on you". Instead make posts that focus on topics and what is written in the bible. Focus on Jesus and what God said in the bible, and what the prophets and apostles wrote.

 

[MatthewG]

Thank you, for focusing on me!


I am not intimidated nor worried about the judgements of others.

Just gotta walk in the power of the resurrected spirit of the Lord Yeshua.


cheers.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The 7 years begin when the prince that shall come is perceived by the Jews as their long awaited messiah.

The false prophet anoints the prince that shall come as the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah, making the person the Antichrist.

In that role as the King of Israel, the Antichrist will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 year period Moses required in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

So the 7 years begin. No catastrophes going on in the world, except maybe a small muslim uprising to the Jews rebuilding their temple on the temple mount - and destroying the Dome of the Rock and Al Asqua mosque.

"Peace and safety" mode in the world for around three years.

Then totally unexpected, the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act of Daniel 8:13 described in 2Thessaloinans2:4 of going into the temple, sitting, claiming to have achieved God-hood. Revealing himself as the man of sin, and not the Jewish messiah after all. End of his stage of being the Antichrist. The Jews will renounce him as their King of Israel.

You need to read 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3. What will be "totally unexpected" is the "sudden destruction" that will come upon those in spiritual darkness from which "they shall not escape" when Jesus comes as a thief in the night. There is nothing written anywhere about a supposed Antichrist unexpectedly committing the transgression of desolation act.

War breaks out. In Ezekiel 28:1-10, God has strangers come against the revealed man of sin and has him assassinated, mortally wounded.

In Isaiah 14:18-20, God in total disdain for the person, a Jew, who destroys his own people and land, casts him out of the grave, i.e. brings him back to life.

In Revelation 13, he is the mortally wounded but healed head. Becoming the beast-king. Which the false prophet has an image made of the beast-king and placed on the temple mount as the abomination of desolation.

And the great tribulation begins. During which, the catastrophes that you speak of will take place.

You have those catastrophes happening just before Christ returns, but Paul said that people will be saying "peace and safety" right up until the day Jesus returns unexpectedly as a thief in the night to bring "sudden destruction" down upon unbelievers from which "they shall not escape".

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The kingdom is within us. We have not entered the kingdom of heaven yet.

You are sadly mistaken. If the kingdom is within us, then how can we not have entered it yet? The kingdom of heaven, kingdom of God, and kingdom of Christ are all the same kingdom and we are in the kingdom now.

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

When a Christian dies, their soul goes to heaven, where the kingdom of heaven is. When the rapture takes place, the raptured Christians will be translated and taken to heaven with Christ.

Do you not believe in spiritual things? As I showed you before, the kingdom of God and kingdom of heaven are the same kingdom and scripture says we are in the kingdom of God now because "the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit" (Romans 14:17). Do you experience "righteousness, and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit"? If so, then you are in the kingdom of God, and, as I showed you already, the terms "the kingdom of heaven" and "the kingdom of God" are used synonymously in scripture.

To think that the kingdom of heaven is isolated only to heaven itself is like saying we are not currently sitting together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, but we are.

Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved ), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

 

[Douggg]

You need to read 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3. What will be "totally unexpected" is the "sudden destruction" that will come upon those in spiritual darkness from which "they shall not escape"

I am not disagreeing with that part.

when Jesus comes as a thief in the night.

In the text of 1Thessalonians5, it is the day of the Lord comes like a thief in night.

Near the end of the 7 years, there is a passage in Revelation 16 that Jesus also comes like a thief in the night.

The term "like a thief in the night" means something totally unexpected.

So in 1Thessalonians5, it the day of the Lord beginning (when God's wrath will be poured out).

Then later into the day of the Lord, near the end of the 7 years, the sign of the Son of Man appearing in heaven will totally unexpected take place.

. There is nothing written anywhere about a supposed Antichrist unexpectedly committing the transgression of desolation act.

The transgression of desolation act is in Daniel 8:13. It is an act, not an image set up (the abomination of desolation). What the Antichrist does in 2Thessalonians2:4 is an act - right ?

"desolation" in both cases refers to the temple being made desolate from the worship and praise of the One True God.

I appreciate the discussion. Nothing personal in my disagreement, okay ?

 

[Douggg]

You have those catastrophes happening just before Christ returns, but Paul said that people will be saying "peace and safety" right up until the day Jesus returns unexpectedly as a thief in the night to bring "sudden destruction" down upon unbelievers from which "they shall not escape".

You kinda got that mixed up. In 1Thessalonians5, it is the day of the Lord beginning like a thief in the night. Jesus returns later around 4 years after the peace and safety illusion ends.

day 1...........3 years, peace and safety........ToD act............the AoD setup (day 1185)................ day 2520 Jesus returns down to earth.

 

[Douggg]

You are sadly mistaken. If the kingdom is within us, then how can we not have entered it yet?

We live in a world full of violence and war. When Jesus returns bringing the kingdom of heaven to earth, He will rule the nations with a rod iron, and men will learn war no more. Men will beat their swords into plowshares.

 

[Douggg]

As you look ahead for the fabled antichrist he will be right under your nose unrecognised just as the Messiah Jesus was right under the nose of the Jews....unrecognised.
You will not see because your paradigm wont allow it just as they (the Jews) did not see because their paradigm didn't allow it.....so they refused even while the evidence was in their face. Such is the nature and practice of deception.

No, the pope, nor papacy is not the Antichrist (if I recall your view, correctly).

 

[ProDeo]

Hi ProDeo,

Hi Douggg, nice to meet you.

Matthew 16:28 was fulfilled in Acts 1, as some of the disciples saw Jesus leave this earth from the mount of Olives, ascending up into a cloud and to heaven.

Read again -

Matt 16:27 For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done.
Matt 16:28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

Did it happen as Jesus said ?

No CNN is those days but the historian Josephus wrote :

Thus were the miserable people persuaded by these deceivers, and such as belied God himself; while they did not attend nor give credit to the signs that were so evident, and did so plainly foretell their future desolation, but, like men infatuated, without either eyes to see or minds to consider, did not regard the denunciations that God made to them. Thus there was a star resembling a sword, which stood over the city, and a comet, that continued a whole year. Thus also before the Jews' rebellion, and before those commotions which preceded the war, when the people were come in great crowds to the feast of unleavened bread, on the eighth day of the month Xanthicus,[Nisan,] and at the ninth hour of the night, so great a light shone round the altar and the holy house, that it appeared to be bright day time; which lasted for half an hour.