Not a future seeing Jesus coming guy

[MatthewG]

You didn't address what I said. I'm not saying this is the case, but you come across as if you didn't believe in spiritual things that are unseen and you only believe in things that you can physically see. We are spiritually in the kingdom of God/heaven/Christ right now. When Jesus returns, we will see Jesus in all of His glory and see the kingdom in its fullness in the new heavens and new earth, but that doesn't mean we are not spiritually in the kingdom right now.

Romans 14:17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

SI,

I do believe we are spiritually walking being part of the heavenly kingdom, as children of God, growing to mature sons or daughters of Yahavah, today. That will be our destination when we die, when we are judged. May you continue in joy, peace, and the patience of the Holy Spirit/ resurrected spirit of the Lord Jesus. Keep faith, and abide in him.

Grace and peace,
Matthew

 

[Douggg]

How can you talk about "later into the day of the Lord" when Paul said there will be "sudden destruction" occurring immediately upon the arrival of the day of the Lord as a thief in the night?

1Thessalonians5 refers to the day of the Lord as being a time when God's wrath will take place. In Revelation 15-16 there will be 7 vials of God's wrath. Those don't take place in a single 24 hour day.

So, the day of the Lord must be understood as having a series of segments to it.

1. the beginning of the day of the Lord.
2. the great tribulation (when vials of God's wrath are poured out)
3. Jesus's second coming day
4. the millennium rule of Jesus on this present earth
5. the destruction of this present earth (2Peter3:12, Revelation 20:11)
6. the GWT judgment
7. new heaven, new earth, eternity

 

[MatthewG]

Hello to the group,

While people continue share their view points. Many people continue to hold on to a future date of a returning Jesus, way far away out into the future which to me seems exteremly pointless... While a person may hold on to whatever view that they have. I continue to believe that Jesus did not lie, and the apostles did not lie concerning the audience they continued to express in holding on and waiting then and there. While many people can share scripture on why they believe like the do. Everyone is gonna have to be convienced in their own mind about what they believe.

I am not here to argue, or debate, or anything of that nature cause I know hardcore debaters of their own time will continue to fight to win for superiority concerning what they expect to see. Ive seen it many times on YouTube, and in forums.

Its very boring for me to debate anyone. I do not enjoy it, nor seek to engage those things personally.

All that I can do is express what I find to be true based on the merit of the bible, which I too must use scripture to back up my own claims, and have several times throughout the thread alone.

I am still a person who does not expect to see Jesus coming through the clouds. I never lived over there in Israel, nor was I part of that first-century bride who went through losing their lives, in waiting and patience, and hope to be taken as the bride, which Jesus constantly had talked about within the narrative of the Gospels written concerning him.

From 70ad - to about 130ad. Israel was tore to pieces and burnt down and all the roads obliterated during this time frames I could be a little off.

Even as no one can prove God is real by saying "Come down here, God, and show yourself." I have no proof of Jesus returning either, all that is shared mainly is the destruction of 70Ad, and Jerusalem and the surroundings going to dirt doesn't mean anything. I do believe those people which seen the times and signs Jesus spoke about as the Apostles told them, where aware, though they didnt know exactly when they would be taken - were taken - and seen Jesus physically come back in the same manner as they were told he would come back when the Son of God, returned and went back to his former glory.

Overcoming all things, and making all things new - by virtue of now living and walking in the Spirit of the Resurrected Yeshua, in an age of Fulfillment with all that great white throne judgement and all things being completed overcoming Sin, Death, Hell, on behalf of all people with the remained of outside and inside according to Revelation 21,22.

While many people do not agree, they do not have to. :)

All the best, grace and peace,
Matthew

 

[Douggg]

All that I can do is express what I find to be true based on the merit of the bible, which I too must use scripture to back up my own claims, and have several times throughout the thread alone.

In Revelation 19, Jesus returns.

Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Leading up to His return, the kings of the earth will gather their armies at Armageddon (Revelation 16:14-16) to prepare to make war on Jesus and His army of heaven. See the blue square on my timeline chart below of future events (to happen before the end of 2037).

 

[MatthewG]

In Revelation 19, Jesus returns.

Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Leading up to His return, the kings of the earth will gather their armies at Armageddon (Revelation 16:14-16) to prepare to make war on Jesus and His army of heaven. See the blue square on my timeline chart below of future events (to happen before the end of 2037).



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Hello Doug,

Thank you for your predictions. You are more than free to believe whatever you want. I will have to just simply disagree, unfortunately for me as many people believe I am lost, unsaved, and just a person heading straight for hell. All you can do is share what you believe and discuss it with others who want to continue to the conversation, I however personally will not have anything to add concerning your own personally believed notions. An have no reason to say anything more.

Grace and peace,
Matthew

 

[Douggg]

Hello Doug,

Thank you for your predictions. You are more than free to believe whatever you want. I will have to just simply disagree, unfortunately for me as many people believe I am lost, unsaved, and just a person heading straight for hell. All you can do is share what you believe and discuss it with others who want to continue to the conversation, I however personally will not have anything to add concerning your own personally believed notions. An have no reason to say anything more.

Grace and peace,
Matthew

When Jesus returns, He will stand on the mount of Olives splitting it in half (Zechariah 14:3-4). Since the mount of Olives is still intact, it is proof that Jesus has not yet returned.

Here is a graphic illustration I made of that day.

 

[MatthewG]

To anyone who would like to see why I do believe what I do please visit the original post, or Not a future seeing Jesus coming guy.


I am done speaking on it. Thank you so much for your time!

 

[HealthyShape]

When Jesus returns, He will stand on the mount of Olives splitting it in half (Zechariah 14:3-4).

How do you know the prophecy is about the return of Jesus? Just because of the feet and the mount of Olives?

Do you agree that nobody in the New Testament talked about this? If so, is it not strange, that something so important for your view is never mentioned?

 

[MatthewG]

 

[soberxp]

To anyone who would like to see why I do believe what I do please visit the original post, or Not a future seeing Jesus coming guy.


I am done speaking on it. Thank you so much for your time!

You believe the 70ad, you never thinking about generation will not pass away which is about the Resurrection ,(generation of man will not pass away which is Resurrection).

 

[MatthewG]

You believe the 70ad, you never thinking about generation will not pass away which is about the Resurrection ,(generation of man will not pass away which is Resurrection).

Hello Soberxp,

I do not get what you are saying. Yes, I do believe the historical events of 70Ad, were promised by Jesus to come upon that nation, which concerned the generation that had seen Jesus, and put him to death.

Grace and peace,
Matthew

 

[soberxp]

Hello Soberxp,

I do not get what you are saying. Yes, I do believe the historical events of 70Ad, were promised by Jesus to come upon that nation, which concerned the generation that had seen Jesus, and put him to death.

Grace and peace,
Matthew

How were they(that generation) at the resurrection will pass away?

 

[MatthewG]

How were they at the resurrection will pass away?

Soberxp,

I don't understand. Do you really want me to answer your question also? You will have to be more specific or give me some scripture reference concerning what you are referring to in order for me to respond properly.

Grace and peace,
Matthew

 

[soberxp]

Soberxp,

I don't understand. Do you really want me to answer your question also? You will have to be more specific or give me some scripture reference concerning what you are referring to in order for me to respond properly.

Grace and peace,
Matthew

21:32
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

How were they(that generation) at the resurrection will pass away?

 

[MatthewG]

Soberxp,

Jesus was speaking directly to them. How else can we rightly interpret it? The video I shared earlier highlights the intense anticipation and trials faced by both Jews and Gentiles. They were all told to watch—not just spiritually, but contextually—by the writers who were addressing their own generation.

Too often, people misquote scripture and forget the original audience entirely, reshaping the message to fit themselves. But Jesus said plainly in Matthew 24:34, “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.” That wasn’t a vague future promise—it was a direct statement to those listening.

Paul echoes this urgency in Romans 13:11, “And do this, understanding the present time: The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed.” The early church lived with expectation, not speculation.

I believe, faithfully, that those things were fulfilled in that generation. Others may remain skeptical, and that’s okay. But we must be careful not to strip scripture of its historical and covenantal context just to make it fit our modern lens.

I honestly do not know how to make it much clearer or obvious.

Grace and peace,
Matthew

 

[MatthewG]

Hello to the group,

Reflecting on the generation present during Jesus’ crucifixion, I’m struck by a sobering moment recorded in Matthew 27:25: “Then all the people answered, ‘His blood be on us and on our children!’” This statement—made by the crowd of Israelites—reveals a profound and unsettling truth. In that moment, they accepted responsibility for His death, seemingly without concern for the weight of what they were declaring.

It’s a deeply eye-opening passage. Not because it condemns a people group, but because it highlights the gravity of human choice and the fulfillment of prophecy. Jesus had already foretold the rejection He would face, saying in Luke 23:34, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” Even in the face of betrayal, His response was mercy.

This generation witnessed the culmination of centuries of prophecy, and their response—whether in ignorance or defiance—played a role in the redemptive plan. It reminds me that scripture must be read with reverence for its historical context and the spiritual implications it carries.

The Wrath of God was coming... for their statements. It was only fair in my opinion. They were given ample amount of time to repent, turn, and to be saved from this wrath which was coming, that John preached, so did everyone else.

Grace and peace,
Matthew

 

[Douggg]

How do you know the prophecy is about the return of Jesus? Just because of the feet and the mount of Olives?

It takes place on the day of the Lord, Zechariah 14:1. This chart is of the 7 segments of the day of the Lord. Segment 3 is when Jesus will stand on the mount of Olives, splitting it in half.



All nations come up against Jerusalem, Zechariah 14:2. The kings of the earth in Revelation 16:14 will gather their armies "to the battle of that great day of God Almighty".

The Lord comes with all the saints, Zechariah 14:5. The bride of Christ in Revelation 19:8.

The Lord will then be king over all the earth, Zechariah 14:9. Segment 4.




Jesus left this world from the mount of Olives and will return to the mount of Olives, Acts 1:9-12.

 

[HealthyShape]

It takes place on the day of the Lord, Zechariah 14:1. This chart is of the 7 segments of the day of the Lord. Segment 3 is when Jesus will stand on the mount of Olives, splitting it in half.

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All nations come up against Jerusalem, Zechariah 14:2. The kings of the earth in Revelation 16:14 will gather their armies "to the battle of that great day of God Almighty".

The Lord comes with all the saints, Zechariah 14:5. The bride of Christ in Revelation 19:8.

The Lord will then be king over all the earth, Zechariah 14:9. Segment 4.

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Jesus left this world from the mount of Olives and will return to the mount of Olives, Acts 1:9-12.

Don't you find it disturbing that your view of eschatology is not taught in the New Testament? Neither in the words of Christ about His coming, nor in the letters of the apostles.

 

[MatthewG]

Don't you find it disturbing that your view of eschatology is not taught in the New Testament? Neither in the words of Christ about His coming, nor in the letters of the apostles.

Hello HealthyShape,

I am always wary of people and the possibilities of autism and things of that nature. Some people won't care, nor change their mind. It's very doubtful this gentleman would ever give up his thought processes concerning what he believes.

Grace and peace,
Matthew

 

[HealthyShape]

Hello HealthyShape,

I am always wary of people and the possibilities of autism and things of that nature. Some people won't care, nor change their mind. It's very doubtful this gentleman would ever give up his thought processes concerning what he believes.

Grace and peace,
Matthew

I think they are mixing a lot of the Old Testament prophecies which they understand according to their ideas with the New Testament eschatology. That gives them the space for their views that are not found in the New Testament as such.

The New Testament taught nothing about a distant future, so they need to add some other source for futurism.