Not some person who believes you go to hell guy

[soberxp]

When you say someone must be go to hell, it is not the God who says it, it is you want it to be happen for whatever reason, but never Count to God who wants to be.

Read the Book of Revelation and you will see that God knows people will not listen to his word, but God still says to spread the gospel throughout the whole world.

Only the fool to use hell to scare people to believe in God,I don't think it will be done/work on anyone.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Not a future seeing Jesus coming guy

Im not a future jesus coming through the clouds today guy. I believe its apparent for most on the board I am not. Jesus walked around and reading those Gospels he talked to the Jews. Paul wrote to saints. there is no saints today. Not gonna change - some call it pride. Im thankful that the...

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So like...

Hell is done and over with according to the bible... Jesus overcame, satan, sin, death, and hades...


Hell was a place that held faithful souls, and not faithful souls, and also angels reserved for judgement.

Hell evetually empties itself out, and once that is done with hell is done away with... its not any longer avaible for use.

Sooo all you hell preaching people, are all wrong saying people are going to hell....

If you actually go furhter in your Revelation book you see people actually end up on the outside of the gates of the kingdom of heaven.




You hell beleiving guys just like to scare people to believe it still is active today when its literlly done away with in the lake of fire.

People are said to go into the lake of fire but that doesnt mean they are in that separated place that once was used for those souls ----

which had to wait for their sins to be paid for ...





Thank you Father in heaven, for your Son Yeshua.



This for people to consider and think about. God got a plan baby, and its not the mens plans.

Are you trying to shake things up Matthew?
I see your hope. i do like it’s God’s plan, not men’s plan.

 

[soberxp]

Don't be afraid of the man who holds the power of death.
They have no authority, but God's authority is never given to those who like the power of death, because God is the God of the living.
Think about the Jesus Christ.

 

[MatthewG]

Are you trying to shake things up Matthew?
I see your hope. i do like it’s God’s plan, not men’s plan.

I don’t know whether you’re a man or a woman, but let me share something with you.


God has a way of shaking people—sometimes even shaking their faith. As Hebrews 12:27 says, “Now this, ‘Yet once more,’ indicates the removal of those things that are being shaken, as of things that are made, that the things which cannot be shaken may remain.” For some, the structures they’ve built—belief systems, identities, assumptions—can crumble beneath them when tested.


But that has nothing to do with me. I’m not here to dismantle anyone’s foundation. I simply share what I’ve come to know through experience and conviction. And I always say: don’t believe me blindly. “Test all things; hold fast what is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21).


Truth isn’t about persuasion—it’s about revelation. And when God shakes something, it’s often to reveal what’s eternal beneath what was temporary.





It’s taken me eight years to get to this point. No wife—just me, my thoughts, and the Spirit of the resurrected Lord Yeshua guiding me through it all. I’ve always appreciated voices like Shawn McCranney. Even when he went straight for the jugular, he’d say, “Never believe me.” And honestly, I respect that kind of authenticity.


That’s the kind of spirit I resonate with—the boldness to tell people, “Go look into the Bible. See what it actually says.” Because what you’ll find isn’t always wrapped in tradition. It’s a whole different story

 

[Charlie24]

I don’t know whether you’re a man or a woman, but let me share something with you.


God has a way of shaking people—sometimes even shaking their faith. As Hebrews 12:27 says, “Now this, ‘Yet once more,’ indicates the removal of those things that are being shaken, as of things that are made, that the things which cannot be shaken may remain.” For some, the structures they’ve built—belief systems, identities, assumptions—can crumble beneath them when tested.


But that has nothing to do with me. I’m not here to dismantle anyone’s foundation. I simply share what I’ve come to know through experience and conviction. And I always say: don’t believe me blindly. “Test all things; hold fast what is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21).


Truth isn’t about persuasion—it’s about revelation. And when God shakes something, it’s often to reveal what’s eternal beneath what was temporary.





It’s taken me eight years to get to this point. No wife—just me, my thoughts, and the Spirit of the resurrected Lord Yeshua guiding me through it all. I’ve always appreciated voices like Shawn McCranney. Even when he went straight for the jugular, he’d say, “Never believe me.” And honestly, I respect that kind of authenticity.


That’s the kind of spirit I resonate with—the boldness to tell people, “Go look into the Bible. See what it actually says.” Because what you’ll find isn’t always wrapped in tradition. It’s a whole different story

Hello Matthew,

You were speaking of "testing all things" in the Scripture. I think maybe you've left something unchecked with UR (Universal Restoration).

In Matt. 25:46 KJV,

"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

Both of the bold words are the same Greek word meaning "aionios."

It can mean "age long" or "never ending" depending on the context.

In this verse it means "never ending" and the reason we know this is that if everlasting punishment comes to and end, so does life eternal.

Just something for you to think about, Brother.

UR has no Scriptural standing whatsoever, but I see nothing wrong with the hope of it.

It's when it's taught as a fact is when the burden of proof is presented, and there is none.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

and then Hell will be "cast into the Lake of Fire"...

maybe you can explain where such a lake could be

 

[Behold]

maybe you can explain where such a lake could be

Its located as eternal separation from God that is defined by John as the "2nd Death".

Now, who are they which are already damned, and are still alive and waiting to go to Hell. ??????????

These........ John 3:36.

And who saves them from Hell?.......which it the initial point of their eternal Damnation?

A.) ""Jesus SAVES.""

JUDE teaches that when we lead someone to Faith in Christ we have literally snatched them out of Hell, as the only thing that is keeping an unbeliever out of Hell is a heart beat.

 

[MatthewG]

Hi Charlie,

You are quoting a parable.

Im not a universalist. I already told you that. There is resurrection of Condemnation, Resurrection of life, and the better resurrection.

there is the outside of the kingdom, and the inside of the kingdom. The lake of fire, is still ongoing, which I see is restorative, compared to ruining. Though those going through that fire may experience some type of ruining in dying to themselves.

I don't see your point.

 

[MatthewG]

In my view, it’s an abuse of Scripture to disregard the full context of a parable and build doctrine from a single line. The Word of God is meant to be interpreted with humility and wholeness—“The sum of Your word is truth” (Psalm 119:160).


Yes, Revelation speaks clearly about Satan, the beast, and the false prophet being cast into the lake of fire “and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever” (Revelation 20:10). That judgment is specific and eternal.


However, when we move into Revelation chapters 21 and 22, we see references to people being outside the gates or cast into the lake of fire, but it doesn’t explicitly say their punishment is “forever and ever.” For example, “But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable… shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death” (Revelation 21:8). The language shifts from eternal torment to final separation.


Jesus also spoke in parables about varying degrees of accountability. In Luke 12:47–48, He says, “And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few.” This suggests that divine justice is not one-size-fits-all—it’s measured, intentional, and rooted in understanding.


So when people quote one verse to define the entire scope of judgment, especially while ignoring the broader narrative or the nuance of parables, it risks distorting the character of God and the message of Scripture.

 

[Charlie24]

Hi Charlie,

You are quoting a parable.

Im not a universalist. I already told you that. There is resurrection of Condemnation, Resurrection of life, and the better resurrection.

there is the outside of the kingdom, and the inside of the kingdom. The lake of fire, is still ongoing, which I see is restorative, compared to ruining. Though those going through that fire may experience some type of ruining in dying to themselves.

I don't see your point.

You said in the OP,

"Hell evetually empties itself out, and once that is done with hell is done away with... its not any longer avaible for use."

I've shown you that isn't true, Matthew.

But if you can't see it, then you can't see it.

 

[MatthewG]

Hell does get emptied out in Revelation. Whether you accept it or not, is fine.

That phrase echoes a powerful moment from Revelation 20:13:




“And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done.”





This verse is part of the final judgment scene, where even Death and Hades (often interpreted as the grave or the realm of the dead) surrender those held within them. It emphasizes that no one escapes divine accountability—every soul is brought before God for judgment.


It also reinforces that Hades (sometimes translated as “hell”) is not the final destination. In fact, Revelation 20:14 goes on to say:




“Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.”





So in biblical terms, Hades gives up its dead, and then it itself is cast away—symbolizing the end of death’s dominion and the beginning of eternal justice.

 

[MatthewG]

Im not an ignorant person...

Revelation 20 is the wrapping up of the whole age that Jesus lived in, and that which was before had come came to an end when he took his bride, and the wrath of God, and the white throne judgement all commences all those wrote in the book or blotted out were judged and what is left for us to see is with a new scene founded in Revelation 21,22.

 

[Charlie24]

Hell does get emptied out in Revelation. Whether you accept it or not, is fine.

That phrase echoes a powerful moment from Revelation 20:13:




“And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done.”





This verse is part of the final judgment scene, where even Death and Hades (often interpreted as the grave or the realm of the dead) surrender those held within them. It emphasizes that no one escapes divine accountability—every soul is brought before God for judgment.


It also reinforces that Hades (sometimes translated as “hell”) is not the final destination. In fact, Revelation 20:14 goes on to say:




“Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.”





So in biblical terms, Hades gives up its dead, and then it itself is cast away—symbolizing the end of death’s dominion and the beginning of eternal justice.

Hell is not emptied out, Matthew, it's dumped into the Lake of Fire, and the punishment continues after the Great White Throne of Judgment.

But If you don't believe what I've said, that's fine, Brother.

 

[Behold]

The lake of fire, is still ongoing, which I see is restorative,

THe MaryCult teachs that purgatory is a cleansing fire regarding those who died in a "state of grace".

The MaryCult also teaches that water baptism washes away your sin, and that Mary flew to heaven in her dead body, and that collecting the dead body parts of Dead Saints is "holy".

 

[MatthewG]

Cool, but no one goes into hell, which was a seperation from God just because its tossed in the lake of fire Charlie...


The lake of fire was for the devil and his angels - for ever and ever.

Stop saying that it doesnt give up its dead... cause it explictly say that... in the text....

“And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done.”

That doesnt mean you go to hell when you die...

You got the outside and the inside of the kingdom ... don't forget that.

People live outside the gates...

Thats the destination today you gotta get passed revelation 20.


Revelation 21,22 = Outside and inside of the Kingdom... You can't tell me people aren't living outside of the kingdom.

Its much better than the whole "heaven vs hell" tradition.

 

[MatthewG]

If you are gonna talk to me @Charlie24, we have to be realistic with each other.... not playing on hell fire fantasy.

 

[MatthewG]

Why is Hell dumped out?

Why are the angels that were held for judgement, the people who were faithless, and people who were faithful all judged is the question?

Because the end of the age had come about. All those who were held in hell, never went to heaven... Jesus was the only one who ascended to heaven. Until the very end, where all were resurrected and judged.

Placed where they were to go.


Satan, the false, beast, his angels in my opinion even = forever and ever.

In revelation 21, 22 you have people who take part in the fire however, it's not said to be forever for them.

 

[Behold]

“And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done.”

After this Eternal Judgement they are cast into the Lake of Fire.
This is the "2nd Death".

 

[Charlie24]

Cool, but no one goes into hell, which was a seperation from God just because its tossed in the lake of fire Charlie...


The lake of fire was for the devil and his angels - for ever and ever.

Stop saying that it doesnt give up its dead... cause it explictly say that... in the text....

“And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done.”

That doesnt mean you go to hell when you die...

You got the outside and the inside of the kingdom ... don't forget that.

People live outside the gates...

Thats the destination today you gotta get passed revelation 20.


Revelation 21,22 = Outside and inside of the Kingdom... You can't tell me people aren't living outside of the kingdom.

Its much better than the whole "heaven vs hell" tradition.

My goodness, the spiritually dead in Hell are called up to Judgment in Rev. 20, and then cast into the Lake of Fire, along with Hell itself.

You are very confused, Matthew! It doesn't say they are outside the gates of New Jerusalem, it says they are without....

If you read the previous verse, they are WITHOUT the right to the Tree of Life.

They were cast into the Lake of Fire in Rev. 20 and that's where they will be forever.

 

[MatthewG]

Wow, I'm not confused...

Revelation 21,22 still exist.

You are very rude. I don't care how old you are.