The Mark of the Beast is here!

[Brakelite]

How sad that you can't face up to my little test and answer truthfully now!
I have proved that compliance to a "will" is the worshipping of that "will", and vice versa.

Not to worry, the real test will be coming sometime during or after 2030.
I am sure that you WILL HAVE an answer to give then!!

It's compliance with a spiritual paradigm, man's traditions in contradiction to God's commandments. And in answer to your earlier question, yes, Revelation is quite clear that there is a group described as keeping God's commandments and having the faith and testimony (the spirit of prophecy) of Jesus, in contradistinction to those who receive the mark of the beast.

 

[Earburner]

You will continue to be confused about John and Jesus being the Two Witnesses, because of how you are approaching the topic.
Do not let the words of Rev. drive your thinking of who the 2W shall be, but rather let Zech. 4:11-14 and the gospel accounts about John and Jesus deliver you to Rev. and then you will know who the 2W were.

I dont study under any man, hate to burst your "church-ianity bubble"

I think you had mentioned (the last time we chatted, what last year? ) that you were like 3 years outside of what you refer to as "churchianity" whereas I am well over 35 years outside of it. But even if that be the case, I need to tolerate you running around calling everything I cannot receive from you "churchianity"

That is very good to hear. Sorry, but to all, I speak of church-ianity corporately.
For all who do post here, I don't recall who is doing what in relationship to it.

 

[Brakelite]

M.O.B. is yet future and those who future take it will lose their salvation, where does Paul teach that today a believer can become unsaved/unsealed/unjustified ?

I agree that the mark itself is still future. That doesn't negate the possibility of many now having the mindset that would welcome the mark when imposed, and may even now be practising the very form of worship freely now, but which will later be enforced and cost the lives of those who refuse to join them.

 

[marks]

I doubt it, I take this section with a grain of salt most times.

I think @Earburner believes that two witnesses put to death in Revelation (whose bodies were refused burial) are both John and Jesus, even though John and Jesus both died (and were actually buried); Even though the gospel itself that is preached is Jesus Christ, who died, was buried (and raised from the dead). One of those two witnesses that was not buried is the Lord (who was killed in the very same place as the Lord) but was left un-buried.

If you believe otherwise you are part of "church-ianity"

Did I get that right ear burner?

I didn't know that! But yes, I've seen the ad hominems if one doesn't agree. All to common, all too fleshy!

And all about insisting that while the Bible says this, it means that.

Much love!

 

[marks]

So the Lord was made lower than the angels for the suffering of death, but when he was born of the Holy Spirit he could not die, and being one of the two witnesses his body wasnt suffered to be put in a grave either, and so Jesus did not die, nor was he buried? And the gospel of our Lord needs this special discernment that makes all of what you say make sense to me?

Edit:typo

Well, when you put it that way . . .

Seriously though, you make a great point that many don't consider, that the implications of these statements are much wider reaching than may first appear.

It's difficult for me to understand how someone is led so far away from what is written.

Much love!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The six works of God:
KJV Dan. 9[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
1. FINISH the transgression [since Adam].
2. make an end of sins,
3. make reconciliation for iniquity,
4. bring in everlasting righteousness,
5. seal up the [this] vision and the [this] prophecy,
6. anoint the most Holy [who is Jesus].

God the Son was to "finish" the six works of God the Father through the sacrifice of His body of flesh, NOT Israel.

Jesus Himself is the completed work of a New creature (creation), aka the First of His kind.
The vehicle of the benefits of that work is the Holy Spirit of God, who takes up His residence within all who are Born again.

If your fanciful reinterpretation were true, then we should all thank god that you came along to correct god and His inspired writers for making such a huge mistake! Because as written it is for the people of Israel and not the Savior.

I abhor how you felt the need to add words to the prophecy to clarify it according to your opinion.

Amnd it is very fanciful thatr you have Jesus anointing HImself!

The transgression is not finished.
Sin has not ended
Jesus did make reconsiliation for sin
Righteousness is not reigning on earth, in Israel nor Jerusalem yet.
#5 is you rewriting Scripture
Neither the Father, the Spirit nor Israel has anointed Jesus yet.

 

[Earburner]

I didn't know that! But yes, I've seen the ad hominems if one doesn't agree. All to common, all too fleshy!

And all about insisting that while the Bible says this, it means that.

Much love!

Well, it's about time that you learned who the 2 Witnesses really were, and stop confining yourself in ignorance, as did the Pharisees. Please see post #150 for a brief over view.

 

[Earburner]

If your fanciful reinterpretation were true, then we should all thank god that you came along to correct god and His inspired writers for making such a huge mistake! Because as written it is for the people of Israel and not the Savior.

I abhor how you felt the need to add words to the prophecy to clarify it according to your opinion.

Amnd it is very fanciful thatr you have Jesus anointing HImself!

The transgression is not finished.
Sin has not ended
Jesus did make reconsiliation for sin
Righteousness is not reigning on earth, in Israel nor Jerusalem yet.
#5 is you rewriting Scripture
Neither the Father, the Spirit nor Israel has anointed Jesus yet.

Listen up! For all born again believers, the six works of God are FINISHED....FOR THEM who believe and are converted!!
Do you understand? Only by the mind of Christ within you, shall you hear it.
Church-ianity does not hear it, and therefore can not preach or teach about it.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Listen up! For all born again believers, the six works of God are FINISHED....FOR THEM!!
Do you understand? Only by the mind of Christ within you, shall you hear it.
Church-ianity does not hear it, and therefore can not preach or teach about it.

Once again your ego has gotten the better of you.

If you sin even once- the six works assigned to Israel and jerusalem are not finished.

Just remember this warning God gave and recant your rewriting of Scripture:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

 

[Earburner]

If your fanciful reinterpretation were true, then we should all thank god that you came along to correct god and His inspired writers for making such a huge mistake! Because as written it is for the people of Israel and not the Savior.

If Jesus didn't "finish" the six works of God in the midst (1260 days) of the 70th week, then WHO did???

I abhor how you felt the need to add words to the prophecy to clarify it according to your opinion.

I am simply heeding and applying the words of the Holy Spirit through Paul in 1 Cor. 2:
[12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might KNOW the things that are freely given to us of God.
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but [that] which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Amnd it is very fanciful thatr you have Jesus anointing HImself!

Jesus was anointed by God the Father Himself, when He came to the other Witness, John the Baptist, and was baptized by him, in which the Holy Spirit of God Himself descended upon Jesus.

The transgression is not finished.
Sin has not ended
Jesus did make reconsiliation for sin
Righteousness is not reigning on earth, in Israel nor Jerusalem yet.
#5 is you rewriting Scripture
Neither the Father, the Spirit nor Israel has anointed Jesus yet.

Your perspective is more Jewish than you realize.
For every born again Christian, the six works of God were finished by Jesus, and the results are applied to all who come to repentance and believe in Jesus, "who finished the work that God gave him to do".

 

[Muna]

Well, when you put it that way . . .

Seriously though, you make a great point that many don't consider, that the implications of these statements are much wider reaching than may first appear.

It's difficult for me to understand how someone is led so far away from what is written.

Much love!

Exactly, which is a denial of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the truth of the same is laid out right here

1Cr 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

1 Cr 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

1 Cr 15: 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died (Heb 2:9) for our sins according to the scriptures

1 Cr 15:4 And that he was buried, (Isaiah 53:9, Matt 27:57-60, John 19:31) and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

Whereas here, these dead bodies are not suffered to be put into graves

Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

The verse before it says,

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where **also** our Lord was crucified.

His burial was also a sign given these

Matt 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign;
and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Matt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of
man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Rev 11:9 is just not the same sign given them for Jesus Christ

To the contrary

Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Its a tad off topic, so I will end it, some so called "mysteries" put out there just seem to blow smoke over the light of the gospel (so to speak). Always keep an eye on whether the thing touches his death burial and resurection.

 

[No Pre-TB]

This is post #2:

It is my belief and understanding that the "MoB" will come out of Europe, which is the present manifestation of the ever evolving Beast with 10 horns. in it's final stage it will be a Global Economic Empire

As for the "lamb like" Beast having 2 horns, it is the USA, aka the False Prophet. At the moment, through the administration of Donald Trump, it is taking the lead in setting up "the matrix" of Artificial Intelligence for Digital money, whereby the "MoB" will become global to all people for the purpose of "buying and selling".

I'm curious...

What does it mean to count?
What does a number mean?
What does a man mean?
What does 666 mean?

 

[marks]

Exactly, which is a denial of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the truth of the same is laid out right here

1Cr 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

1 Cr 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

1 Cr 15: 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died (Heb 2:9) for our sins according to the scriptures

1 Cr 15:4 And that he was buried, (Isaiah 53:9, Matt 27:57-60, John 19:31) and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

Whereas here, these dead bodies are not suffered to be put into graves

Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

The verse before it says,

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where **also** our Lord was crucified.

His burial was also a sign given these

Matt 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign;
and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Matt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of
man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Rev 11:9 is just not the same sign given them for Jesus Christ

To the contrary

Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Its a tad off topic, so I will end it, some so called "mysteries" put out there just seem to blow smoke over the light of the gospel (so to speak). Always keep an eye on whether the thing touches his death burial and resurection.

Yep! It's all right there, only, you have to be willing to believe God's Word without changing it around to suit one's self. We are to be subject to God, not the other way around!

Much love!

 

[marks]

confining yourself in ignorance

More of the same . . .

It's a pity!

 

[Earburner]

Once again your ego has gotten the better of you.

If you sin even once- the six works assigned to Israel and jerusalem are not finished.

Just remember this warning God gave and recant your rewriting of Scripture:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

You are being very Pharisaical.
I am not taking away any literal words from the book of Revelation, nor am I adding any literal new words to it.

Please discern and digest the following:
2 Cor. 3
[5] Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
[6] Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

 

[Earburner]

More of the same . . .

It's a pity!

Do you think you could be kind enough to reference all that I say, when you make your reply?? You are sounding very disconnected to the audience when you don't do that.

You were referencing post #167, of which I said: "Well, it's about time that you learned who the 2 Witnesses really were, and stop confining yourself in ignorance, as did the Pharisees. Please see post #150 for a brief over view".
So, did you read my post #150? What I share is literally found in the gospels.
Church-ianity won't help you, but the Holy Spirit will.

 

[marks]

Do you think you could be kind enough to reference all that I say, when you make your reply?? You are sounding very disconnected to the audience when you don't do that.

You were referencing post #167, of which I said: "Well, it's about time that you learned who the 2 Witnesses really were, and stop confining yourself in ignorance, as did the Pharisees. Please see post #150 for a brief over view".
So, did you read my post #150? What I share is literally found in the gospels.
Church-ianity won't help you, but the Holy Spirit will.

You are just continuing to post your ad hominems because I don't agree with your manner of interpreting the Bible. Yes, there is a real disconnect!

Do you think the Holy Spirit leads you to do that?

Galatians 5:22-23 KJV
22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

"You are sounding very disconnected to the audience when you don't do that."

I'm assuming that you mean to yourself. I'm not thinking that you speak on behalf of the entire Forum membership . . . right?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Church-ianity won't help you,

OK. What does that even mean?

 

[Earburner]

I'm curious...

What does it mean to count?
What does a number mean?
What does a man mean?
What does 666 mean?

You might want to start with a man who had wisdom, and for a length of one year he counted out "six hundred threescore and six" talents of Gold, that would come to him during the time of one year.
Please see 1 Kings 10:13-18.

The purpose of gold for that man was to make targets, shields and a throne.
The purpose of gold today is to buy or sell.

 

[Earburner]

OK. What does that even mean?

Let's help the audience.
What does what mean?