Hidden Righteousness and the Shining Light the Two Sides of One Truth.

[Behold]

I have proven to you and everyone who perhaps read it that it is completely different. you are being childish.

no need to apologize. I forgave you already.

Forgive yourself, as you need it.

And i dont have any issue with someone reading what i write here or in a commentary, or listening to me preach.....whatever......and they want to use the material.
Im grateful to share..........i really am.
But you are a Devout Legalist, who does not understand God's Gift of Salvation, so, until you do....dont misuse my quotes in your Threads.

So, let the readers decide.
And next time... remember.....dont rewrite my quotes to treach your false theology.

Now, i'll be around, and when you post something and i see it, and it tries to tie God's Righteousness to "obedience" and "self effort".. i'll correct you again.

-See you there.. next time.

 

[LoveYeshua]

If you were a student of Paul's Epistles, and Paul's Doctrine as i am.......then you would have no trouble understanding why a real bible student , Minister or Novice, will be enlightened by what i teach.
I only teach Paul's theology, and im constantly amazed that so called 'christians" have no idea what Paul teaches., and that is the other main reason, i am on forums like this one.
To teach them the simple basic principles of the "simplicity that is in Christ" that is the "righteousness of Faith" theology that is Paul's doctrine.

see this is what I mean you do not preach what the 11 disciples preached, repentance and the Kingdom of Heaven Like Jesus asked then to do. Instead You preach the message of the cross almost exclusively, this is NOT what Jesus preached not that the disciples of Christ preached to the Jews and gentiles alike.


One Truth, One Gospel, that is, the words of Christ during his ministry. Christians, the true ones follow Christ, you follow a man. i even told you what Jesus said that the student is not greater then the master.

Everyone knows Paul is difficult to understand, Peter confirmed it in 2 Peter 3 :15

 

[Behold]

see this is what I mean you do not preach what the 11 disciples preached,

True.

I dont preach "repent and be water baptized for the remission of sins, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand"., and neither did Paul.

That is John The Baptist's message to JEWS......even before Yeshua showed up and was water baptized by John.

I praech and i teach "CHRIST CRUCIFIED"........"The Preaching of the Cross".. = "The Gospel of the GRACE of GOD".

= Paul's Gospel.

A.) = "Justification by Faith"..... "The righteousness of Faith"....."Abrham believed God and it was counted (imputed) to him as RIGHHTEOUSNESS"......... = "and so it shall be imputed unto us also if we BELIEVE".... Paul teaches .
-

 

[Muna]

If you were a student of Paul's Epistles, and Paul's Doctrine as i am.......then you would have no trouble understanding why a real bible student , Minister or Novice, will be enlightened by what i teach.
I only teach Paul's theology, and im constantly amazed that so called 'christians" have no idea what Paul teaches., and that is the other main reason, i am on forums like this one.
To teach them the simple basic principles of the "simplicity that is in Christ" that is the "righteousness of Faith" theology that is Paul's doctrine.

Well, you are putting yourself out here as one who enlightens others on Paul's doctrine. However, on another thread you appeared to have no idea that Paul did NOT teach that Psalm 2:7 as is mentioned in Acts 13:33 pertained to Jesus being begotten though Mary, when it pertained to his resurrection. So you don't always teach a "Paul theology". And thats just one of your hit and misses, so dont be "so amazed" at folks who are clueless concerning what Paul taught. Heck, maybe someone grabbed your chicken scratch and decided to teach what you chicken scratched into one of you posts and its come back to haunt you.

 

[Behold]

Everyone knows Paul is difficult to understand, Peter confirmed it in 2 Peter 3 :15

The reason that Paul seems difficult to understand is because Paul's teaching needs to be taught by the Holy Spirit, through a teacher.
Im one.

And the reason you have serious issues with Paul's doctrine that i teach, is simply becaue you have been taught something else, instead, and you believe it.
So, this is what happens when a person does not learn Paul's Gospel and His Theology, when they are a "babe in Christ".
A baby wants to feed, and a baby christian is hungry for spiritual truth and the devil will bring you what seems true to deceive you.

Hebrews 13:9 (KJV)

And the sad part is......the saddest.....is that once you have learned WRONG.......and believe it........then when right teaching comes, it sounds wrong..and actually drives the deceived person farther into their wrong belief, often.
It is possible, because of God's Grace to be recovered., but most wont be because they have religious pride and can't stand the idea that they have learned wrong and believe wrong.....so they Fight to remain wrong, instead of listening to be delivered.

 

[LoveYeshua]

True.

I dont preach "repent and be water baptized for the remission of sins, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand"., and neither did Paul.

That is John The Baptist's message to JEWS......even before Yeshua showed up and was water baptized by John.

I praech and i teach "CHRIST CRUCIFIED"........"The Preaching of the Cross".. = "The Gospel of the GRACE of GOD".

= Paul's Gospel.

A.) = "Justification by Faith"..... "The righteousness of Faith"....."Abrham believed God and it was counted (imputed) to him as RIGHHTEOUSNESS"......... = "and so it shall be imputed unto us also if we BELIEVE".... Paul teaches .
-

Abraham believed God by demonstrating it by his obedience when God asked Him to sacrifice his son. You missed the point! Obedience! Abraham proved his faith, that is true faith!
and I am not a legalist some are here but I am not.

 

[Behold]

Well, you are putting yourself out here as one who enlightens others on Paul's doctrine. However, on another thread you appeared to have no idea that Paul did NOT teach that Psalm 2:7 as is mentioned in Acts 13:33 pertained to Jesus being begotten though Mary, when it pertained to his resurrection.

Hummm.

Well, no quote, just your suggesting what you think i posted.

Also, Paul's doctrine is mostly specific to Christ's Atonement, regarding Salvation and the empowerment of the Spirit and walking in the Spirit and of course Gifts of the Spirit and the walk of faith, and what discipleship means Spiritually..... and then Paul's Doctrine is everything related to the Local Church, including dealing with carnal Christians and "doctrines of devils' and how to deal with heretics.
And so much more that is related to growing in Grace and understanding God's Grace as our imputed righteousness.

Now...If you believe that Paul does not understand that Jesus is Mary's virign born Son, who is "God manifested in the Flesh" then you are confused.

So, you are not posting my quote, and you are misinterpreting what i wrote.

I know the Linage of Mary and of Joseph.
Both are in the Linage of David., as is Jesus.
So, you must have not understood my post.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Forgive yourself, as you need it.

And i dont have any issue with someone reading what i write here or in a commentary, or listening to me preach.....whatever......and they want to use the material.
Im grateful to share..........i really am.
But you are a Devout Legalist, who does not understand God's Gift of Salvation, so, until you do....dont misuse my quotes in your Threads.

So, let the readers decide.
And next time... remember.....dont rewrite my quotes to treach your false theology.

Now, i'll be around, and when you post something and i see it, and it tries to tie God's Righteousness to "obedience" and "self effort".. i'll correct you again.

-See you there.. next time.

what you wrote about me quoting you is a lie and I proved it.

 

[Behold]

Abraham believed God by demonstrating it by his obedience

Read carefully, and take notice that Abraham's """Faith was counted by God, as "righteousess".. before He offered Isaac.

Let me say that again.

'""""Abrahams FAITH.. was counted by God""......as "imputed righteousness"...........BEFORE he offered Isaac.

Go and read the verses.

 

[Behold]

what you wrote about me quoting you is a lie and I proved it.

Listen, '
i posted the quote that had "ROOT and FAITH".. in the Quote in that word order in my teachings on RIGHTEOUSNESS.......5days and 4days and 1 day before you used "ROOT and FAITH", in your quote, in that exact word order in your Thread on ""Righteousness"

So, Let the readers decide if you could have coincidentally posted "ROOT and FAITH"... in your "righteousness Thread" quote... 5 days and 1 day later... after im posting "ROOT and FAITH" as my Quote regarding "God's Righteousness"... all over this forum on several Threads and in manys posts... and i showed you 2 of the Posts.

A.) No

 

[Behold]

what you wrote about me quoting you

Here is the thing.
You are welcome to use my quotes, borrow them, reshape them.... = once you learn Paul's Gospel......but not before.

 

[Muna]

If you believe that Paul does not understand that Jesus is Mary's virign born Son, who is "God manifested in the Flesh" then you are confused.

So, you are not posting my quote, and you are misinterpreting what i wrote.

I know the Linage of Mary and of Joseph.
Both are in the Linage of David., as is Jesus.
So, you must have not understood my post.

I posted Psalm 2:7 and Acts 13:33 which is Jesus being begotten of the dead there.

I posted on "Jesus is God" thread. See page 20 where you cut off my reference to his being begotten of the dead here

Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me,
Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Your response is correcting my reference to Psalm 2:7 as pertaining to the resurrection and bring it back to

The "only begotten of God"", is God wrapped in Human Flesh, (Virgin Born).



From here

Jesus is God

God's Word teaches that when our flesh dies, our spirit and soul goes back to God Who gave it. It says the Spirt returns nothing about the soul.

www.christianityboard.com

Then I directly answered you on post #420 on page 21

Jesus is God

Actually ......when Moses was talking to the Burning Bush..(God)........ He asked God for His '"name."" God said......"I Am that I Am". And Jesus told the Pharisees, that he existed before Abraham, as = "I AM". So, He identified Himself as God to the Pharisees, including those on this...

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Jesus speaking

Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me (Jesus Christ), Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. (See Romans 1:4) because this is when (with power) he is declared the Son fo God.

Which scripture had to be fulfilled ( See again, Acts 1:33) which is a quote of that very psalm (Psalm 2:7, which you attribute wrongly to the virgin birth)

Acts 1:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their childrent , IN THAT he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten thee.

Which is also shown to us in Heb 5:5 when it was at "the same time" Jesus was made a high priest

Heb 5:5 SO ALSO Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; BUT HE that said unto him, Thou art my Son, TO DAY have I begotten thee.

This happened after Jesus was cut off out of the land of the living (Isaiah 53:8) and departed the earth (ascended unto the Father) since Heb 8:4 even states, "if he were still on earth he should not be a priest"

Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest

Just saying, if you are a light for Paul I would sit this one out in his name

 

[Behold]

I posted Psalm 2:7 and Acts 13:33 which is Jesus being begotten of the dead there.

Psalm 2:7 says.....The Lord said to me, ‘You are my Son; today I have begotten you’"
It says nothing about being "begotten of the dead". @Truly

Acts 13:33 says that Jesus was raised from the dead. (by God) not "begotten from the dead".

I posted on "Jesus is God" thread. See page 20 where you cut off my reference to his being begotten of the dead here

Your verses do not say that Jesus was "begotten of the dead".. @Truly
That is why i "cut you off", in that other Thread.

Your response is correcting my reference to Psalm 2:7 as pertaining to the resurrection and bring it back to

The "only begotten of God"", is God wrapped in Human Flesh, (Virgin Born).

Yes, that is true.
God is the "only begotten of God".... "God wrapped in human flesh".... = "God was manifested in the flesh" or "the WORD became Flesh".

This has nothing to do with your bizarre statment that Jesus is "begotten from the dead". @Truly

Jesus was no begotten from the dead.
Jesus was RAISED from the Dead......RESURRECTED from the Dead.

Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me (Jesus Christ), Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. (See Romans 1:4) because this is when (with power) he is declared the Son fo God.

And Jesus never stated nor does Paul that "Jesus was begotten from the dead".

I wonder why you posted that nonsense? @Truly
Is that more JW Trash theology?

Which scripture had to be fulfilled ( See again, Acts 1:33) which is a quote of that very psalm (Psalm 2:7, which you attribute wrongly to the virgin birth)

I posted the OT verse that says that Jesus would be born of a Virgin.

= Isaiah 7:14: "Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel"

"Immanuel" means "God with us"......so that is "God was manifested in the Flesh".... as Paul teaches in 1st Timothy. (KJV).

Acts 1:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their childrent , IN THAT he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten thee.

2nd Psalm is referring to Jesus being created by God inside the Virgin, as the "only Begotten Son" of God.

Acts 1:33, is teaching that Jesus was raised from the Dead.......after He died on The Cross.

This happened after Jesus was cut off out of the land of the living (

Jesus was "begotten" as God's "only begotten Son".....= Virgin born baby Jesus.

Jesus was "cut off from the Living" by dying on The Cross.

Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest

Jesus is not a Levitical priest......so, if He was on earth right now in the Flesh, He is not a priest according to THAT Order.

Yeshua is a priest """"in/after the order of Melchizedek"""", which is distinct from the lineage of the Old Testament priests (Levitical).

 

[Muna]

Psalm 2:7 says.....The Lord said to me, ‘You are my Son; today I have begotten you’"
It says nothing about being "begotten of the dead".

Second psalm

Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Second psalm had to be fulfilled

Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, IN THAT he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

Second Psalm made a high priest on the same day

Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

If he were on earth when that occured he should not be a priest

Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

His life was taken from the earth, and is the first begotten of the dead

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Speaks of His resurrection, not Mary, and you want to enlighten others?

 

[Muna]

Notice, made a high priest, after the order of Melchizedek, located at the right hand of the Father, not in the womb of Mary

Psalm 110:1 [[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Psalm 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

 

[Muna]

Thought I would have fun with AI, see who has more understanding of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, someone who claims to be a teacher of Paul's doctrine or AI, and AI has shown far more understanding of Paul's interpretation of Psalm 2:7

Psalm 2:7 is interpreted by several biblical scholars and New Testament passages as referring to the resurrection of Jesus, not his birth. The phrase "Today I have begotten You" is understood by Paul in Acts 13:33 as being fulfilled at the resurrection, where God raised Jesus from the dead and declared Him to be His Son with power, as stated in Romans 1:4. This interpretation is supported by the context of Acts 13:31-38, where Paul explicitly links the resurrection to the fulfillment of Psalm 2:7, emphasizing that Jesus was raised as the divinely appointed King and heir to David's throne. The resurrection is seen as the moment when Jesus was formally enthroned and installed as the Messianic ruler, marking the day of His begotten sonship in a messianic sense. While some have suggested the virgin birth as the "today" of begottenness, this view is countered by the inspired interpretation of Paul, who clearly identifies the resurrection as the fulfillment. Therefore, the consensus among the cited sources is that Psalm 2:7 speaks of the resurrection of Jesus, not His birth.

 

[Muna]

Thought I would have fun with AI, see who has more understanding of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, someone who claims to be a teacher of Paul's doctrine or AI, and AI has shown far more understanding of Paul's interpretation of Psalm 2:7

Psalm 2:7 is interpreted by several biblical scholars and New Testament passages as referring to the resurrection of Jesus, not his birth. The phrase "Today I have begotten You" is understood by Paul in Acts 13:33 as being fulfilled at the resurrection, where God raised Jesus from the dead and declared Him to be His Son with power, as stated in Romans 1:4. This interpretation is supported by the context of Acts 13:31-38, where Paul explicitly links the resurrection to the fulfillment of Psalm 2:7, emphasizing that Jesus was raised as the divinely appointed King and heir to David's throne. The resurrection is seen as the moment when Jesus was formally enthroned and installed as the Messianic ruler, marking the day of His begotten sonship in a messianic sense. While some have suggested the virgin birth as the "today" of begottenness, this view is countered by the inspired interpretation of Paul, who clearly identifies the resurrection as the fulfillment. Therefore, the consensus among the cited sources is that Psalm 2:7 speaks of the resurrection of Jesus, not His birth.

AI are you able to see how Psalm 2:7, Acts 13:33 , and Heb 5:5 connect together?

The connection between Psalm 2:7, Acts 13:33, and Hebrews 5:5 lies in the New Testament's application of a royal coronation psalm to Jesus Christ, emphasizing his divine sonship and authority. Psalm 2:7, originally a coronation hymn for the Davidic king, declares, "You are my Son; today I have begotten you". The Greek word γεγέννηκά (genenneka), used in the Septuagint and quoted in the New Testament, signifies a completed action, indicating the establishment of a relationship or status rather than a literal biological birth.

In Acts 13:33, Paul applies this verse to Jesus' resurrection, stating that God fulfilled the promise to the patriarchs by raising Jesus, thereby declaring him the Son of God. This interpretation aligns with the broader context of Paul's sermon, where he argues that Jesus' resurrection confirms his messianic identity and divine sonship. The phrase "today I have begotten you" is understood not as a moment of creation but as the moment of divine appointment and empowerment, marking the beginning of Jesus' messianic reign.

Similarly, Hebrews 5:5 quotes Psalm 2:7 to affirm that Jesus did not assume the role of high priest on his own initiative but was appointed by God, who declared, "You are my Son; today I have begotten you". This underscores Jesus' divine authorization and his unique relationship with God the Father, distinct from the angels and other figures in the Old Testament. The perfect tense of γεγέννηκά emphasizes the completed nature of this divine act, establishing Jesus' eternal status as the Son.

Thus, all three passages—Psalm 2:7, Acts 13:33, and Hebrews 5:5—converge on the theme of Jesus' divine sonship being formally established by God, not through biological procreation but through a divine act of appointment and empowerment, particularly linked to his resurrection and exaltation.

AI can make for a better preacher these days, hate to admit it.

 

[Muna]

I am pushing my luck, but I added in two more verses and had to refresh it a few times, before it would answer,

Does Psalm 2:7, Acts 13:33 , Heb 5:5, Psalm 110:1 & Psalm 110:4 speak of Jesus being raised from the dead

The passages Psalm 2:7, Acts 13:33, Hebrews 5:5, Psalm 110:1, and Psalm 110:4 are interpreted by several New Testament authors as pointing to Jesus being raised from the dead, particularly in relation to His enthronement as King and Messiah.

In Acts 13:33, Paul explicitly states that God fulfilled the promise of Psalm 2:7, “You are my Son; today I have begotten you,” through the resurrection of Jesus, declaring that the resurrection was the fulfillment of this declaration. This interpretation is supported by the context of Paul’s speech, where he connects Jesus’ resurrection to His appointment as the Davidic King. Similarly, Hebrews 1:5 and 5:5 quote Psalm 2:7 in the context of Jesus’ exaltation, emphasizing that the declaration “Today I have begotten you” refers to His resurrection and enthronement, not His eternal existence or incarnation. The resurrection is thus seen as the moment when Jesus was formally declared to be the Son of God in power, marking His entry into His Davidic and priestly roles.

Psalm 110:1, quoted in Acts 2:34–36 and Hebrews 1:13, speaks of the Lord saying to the Messiah, “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool,” which is understood as referring to Jesus’ ascension and enthronement after His resurrection. This passage, along with Psalm 110:4, which declares Jesus a priest “forever according to the order of Melchizedek,” is interpreted by the New Testament as being fulfilled in Jesus’ resurrection and exaltation, establishing His eternal priesthood and kingship.

Therefore, these passages collectively affirm that Jesus’ resurrection was the pivotal event through which He was declared to be the Son of God, enthroned as King, and established as a priest forever, fulfilling the ancient prophecies.

You know, despite the geofencing of Christians phones when they go to church, I am starting to think bringing our phones to church when some of these pastors are preaching is actually a good thing (Change my mind)

 

[amigo de christo]

I asked Episkopos to explain how to "doeth righteousness" as that is His false Cross Rejecting teaching on : How to be saved.
Its something you do.... that is your righteousness..,. He teaches.
He never answered me, which is normal for Him when He has no answer.
He just goes away for a few days and shows up again with the next video.

So, @ShineTheLight ............i'll ask you the same question.

Go ahead and state how you are "doing righteousness"....... to be righteouess before Holy God.

List 3 or 4 examples of your "doing righteousness"....that you have performed in the last 2 months....

Be specific and if anyone else here who is reading this post.....has been "doing righteousness".. .......go ahead and tell us what you were doing when you did it.

And please dont fake it and say....>>"its when i pray".

Now let me help you out before you try to pretend anything.

Notice carefully....

= A hell bound, Christ rejector.......will sometimes pray when they are in a terrible situation.
= Also, a Hell bound, Christ rejector, will sometimes do something good for a poor person..... or for their neighbor.

See that ?
That is prayer and a good deed..............and that is exactly what a Christian can do, and in both cases that is not "doing righteousness".....that is just performing a work as an unbeliever or as a Christian.

As i look around and see many
and as i look around and see even my own reflection in the mirror
I see something real clearly .
The ONLY righteous i truly have COMETH OF GOD , GIVEN ME IN CHRIST JESUS
Imputed unto me by FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS .
And that the only good and righteous works i now do , HE does t hrough me as HE giveth me the desire
and ability to do such by HIS SPIRIT .
As i look closer at the mirror i see , Had it not been for The mercies OF HIS GRACE
given me IN CHRIST JESUS , I had only remained doomed and in the darkness
Without even the pure and holy knowledge and guidance OF HIS SPIRIT to lead me in the ways of righteousness
THERE BE NO HOPE without CHRIST .
Without faith IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLEASE GOD and thus without faith in CHRIST no matter
what i did that might have been good , MY FAITH was VOID , my righteousness but filthiness
And headed only to the second death i would be .
THERE is aboslutely No way a man can save himself , APART from FAITH IN HE WHOM GOD DID SEND .
SO i shun the ecumincal harlot led interafaith doctrine to hades . Aint no love
of GOD that would ever have denied THE SON , the DIRE NEED to BELEIVE ON HIM . that dark love buddies and it cannot save
nor is it love of GOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

see this is what I mean you do not preach what the 11 disciples preached, repentance and the Kingdom of Heaven Like Jesus asked then to do. Instead You preach the message of the cross almost exclusively, this is NOT what Jesus preached not that the disciples of Christ preached to the Jews and gentiles alike.


One Truth, One Gospel, that is, the words of Christ during his ministry. Christians, the true ones follow Christ, you follow a man. i even told you what Jesus said that the student is not greater then the master.

Everyone knows Paul is difficult to understand, Peter confirmed it in 2 Peter 3 :15

technically the preaching of the CROSS
of CHRIST and HIM CRUCIFIED
is the message that would have summed up all His teachings .
DENY YOURSELF , PICK up the cross and follow me . Crucfying the flesh , the sin nature
What was one key thing that occured
JESUS took our own sins upon him on that cross
so that we being made DEAD TO SIN could live unto righteousness .
But many have no idea what Being crucified IN CHRIST even means .
some try and pick up their own cross WITHOUT FAITH IN HE who was crucified on it
Many others try and turn HIM into a minstir of sin and they hold onto their sins
and make and invent a false version of HIS grace that ALLOWS and even accepts their sins .
DID i ever make mention that WE GOT SERIOUS problems in the house of Christendom . IF NOT , though i know i have often ,
WELL allow me ot say it again . WE GOT MEGA problems within christendom .
SO may i suggest BIBLE TIME for all again . WE gots many fleecers in the house
who though they can appear to wear wool
beleive them not . they have come to fleece the sheep , NOT TO FEED HIS SHEEP .