Does the "husband of one wife" requirement mean that polygamy was common in the early church?

[soberxp]

Are you Muslim?

I've only read books.

 

[Lizbeth]

"begotten" It's a description, not a fact.

Jesus was begotten of maria.

A Father "begets" children. A mother gives birth to them. Jesus was begotten of God, but born of Mary. This is why He is both Son of God and son of man.

 

[Lizbeth]

I've only read books.

Do you believe Muslims are saved without faith in Christ and His shed blood?

 

[soberxp]

A Father "begets" children. A mother gives birth to them. Jesus was begotten of God, but born of Mary. This is why He is both Son of God and son of man.

God created,not breed , that description is a metaphor, not a real thing.

 

[soberxp]

Do you believe Muslims are saved without faith in Christ and His shed blood?

I only believe that the Koran says what is needed to point to the truth, and that people who limit themselves to the Koran, or the Bible, cannot be touch the truth.

14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 

[Lizbeth]

I've only read books.

Does the Koran reveal Jesus Christ as the way to the Father?

 

[soberxp]

Does the Koran reveal Jesus Christ as the way to the Father?

The Koran reveal human beings mistake on the Jesus Christ.
As Jesus Christ said, for I come not for peace,but a s-word.

Isn't it? When everything points to Jesus Christ, it's all strife, and people never look at the superscript S-word.

 

[Lizbeth]

God created,not breed , that description is a metaphor, not a real thing.

It is a real thing, but in a spiritual way, not a physical way. Jesus was the express image of His Father because He was begotten by the Father.

 

[soberxp]

It is a real thing, but in a spiritual way, not a physical way. Jesus was the express image of His Father because He was begotten by the Father.

Boring, as I don't know it.

Why did not God create an angel then send him on the cross ? (因为天使是永生的.)

 

[Lizbeth]

The Koran reveal human beings mistake on the Jesus Christ.
As Jesus Christ said, for I come not for peace,but a s-word.

Isn't it? When everything points to Jesus Christ, it's all strife, and people never look at the superscript S-word.

ok, what do you mean....what is the mistake that human beings make on Jesus Christ?

Jesus was open about who He was and the need to believe in Him for salvation. As were the writers of the epistles. The gospel is the mystery of God hid from the foundation of the world that was then openly REVEALED and openly preached, even if not everyone received and understood it. So another question I have is why would any purported scriptures from heaven given 600 years after Christ not openly declare Him? Why would God continue to hide the mystery of God from Ishmael?

 

[soberxp]

ok, what do you mean....what is the mistake that human beings make on Jesus Christ?

Jesus was open about who He was and the need to believe in Him for salvation. As were the writers of the epistles. The gospel is the mystery of God hid from the foundation of the world that was then openly REVEALED and openly preached, even if not everyone received and understood it. So another question I have is why would any purported scriptures from heaven given 600 years after Christ not openly declare Him? Why would God continue to hide the mystery of God from Ishmael?

Because there was something wrong with the faith, so there was the Koran, and Abraham's two sons had their own uses.

Who is Jesus Christ?
What is Jesus Christ?
Is Jesus God or the word of God?
Is Jesus a prophet?

 

[Lizbeth]

Because there was something wrong with the faith, so there was the Koran, and Abraham's two sons had their own uses.

Who is Jesus Christ?
What is Jesus Christ?
Is Jesus God or the word of God?
Is Jesus a prophet?

He is all of those things.

 

[soberxp]

He is all of those things.

Wrong. See #289

 

[Lizbeth]

I find it interesting that people like to understand God's word in their own way, but the Bible makes things very clear, You can find the right answer even outside the Bible, maybe I should call it extracurricular reading,

God cannot be born by man, and God does not breed. God creates man, and God does not breed man. The Koran says so.


In the OT, God uses Israel defeats the enemy to teach us there is no other word/God. (The word was God,and the word with God.)

In the NT,God teaches us what these words are through Jesus Christ..

If you want to tell the word is God, then you also right.


If you want to tell God and Jesus are two different things, then you also right.

But the word never change, whatever you understand the word or not.

The word was God,and the word with God.
Now the word is Jesus Christ and God, and the word with Jesus Christ and God.
Jesus and father are one.

God is God.
Jesus Christ is Jesus Christ.

Father is father.
Son is son.

matthew 5:37
But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Father is not son.

Of course I agree God doesn't "breed"....He is spirit not flesh. And like begets like. We are also begotten of God, our new man, but the difference is that, unlike Jesus, we were never "in the form of God and thinking it not robbery to be equal to God".

"The Word was made flesh." "God was manifest in the flesh." Jesus said, "before Abraham was, I am, and "if you have seen me you have seen the Father"...etc. But as the scripture says, being found in the form of a man, He humbled Himself and made of Himself a servant, obedient to the Father and considered the Father greater than Himself. While on earth He voluntarily subjugated Himself to God, to the one who had begotten Him. Who can fully understand these things though...we only know in part.

Anyway I wonder what is it you are trying to say with all that we are talking about? Is there a point that you want to make? What do you see as the purpose of Ishmael as compared with Israel? Israel's purpose was to set the groundwork and bring forth the Saviour/Messiah......Is it Ishmael's purpose to fight against Him (except for a remnant)? The Lord hardeneth who He will, and there are vessels of honour as well as vessels of dishonour.

 

[St. SteVen]

Of course I agree God doesn't "breed"....He is spirit not flesh.

How do you explain the birth of Christ and the Nephilim?
The Bible says no marriage in heaven. Nothing about sex. ???
(maybe the Muslims are right about this? - LOL)

Genesis 6:4 NIV
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—
when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them.
They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

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[soberxp]

Of course I agree God doesn't "breed"....He is spirit not flesh. And like begets like. We are also begotten of God, our new man, but the difference is that, unlike Jesus, we were never "in the form of God and thinking it not robbery to be equal to God".

"The Word was made flesh." "God was manifest in the flesh." Jesus said, "before Abraham was, I am, and "if you have seen me you have seen the Father"...etc. But as the scripture says, being found in the form of a man, He humbled Himself and made of Himself a servant, obedient to the Father and considered the Father greater than Himself. While on earth He voluntarily subjugated Himself to God, to the one who had begotten Him. Who can fully understand these things though...we only know in part.

Anyway I wonder what is it you are trying to say with all that we are talking about? Is there a point that you want to make? What do you see as the purpose of Ishmael as compared with Israel? Israel's purpose was to set the groundwork and bring forth the Saviour/Messiah......Is it Ishmael's purpose to fight against Him (except for a remnant)? The Lord hardeneth who He will, and there are vessels of honour as well as vessels of dishonour.

God made man in his own image.
Jesus Christ is the image of God.
In the beginning the word was God,and the word with God.
Now the word is Jesus Christ and God.
Jesus Christ and God are one.
It all focus on the word.

Not focus on the Jesus Christ is God.
I don't know what kind of crazy person has to understand that Jesus is God,and forget he is fully man.

 

[Lizbeth]

How do you explain the birth of Christ and the Nephilim?
The Bible says no marriage in heaven. Nothing about sex. ???
(maybe the Muslims are right about this? - LOL)

Genesis 6:4 NIV
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—
when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them.
They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

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"What was conceived in her (Mary) was of the Holy Spirit."

But angels can take on the form of human beings, so those in rebellion might have come down to earth and mated with human females....? Much like how angels in scripture are able to eat food. Although I don't know if that Nephilim account is allegorical or partly so, or not.

 

[Lizbeth]

God made man in his own image.
Jesus Christ is the image of God.
In the beginning the word was God,and the word with God.
Now the word is Jesus Christ and God.
Jesus Christ and God are one.
It all focus on the word.

Not focus on the Jesus Christ is God.
I don't know what kind of crazy person has to understand that Jesus is God,and forget he is fully man.

He had to be God in order to fulfill the Law and be a sufficient sacrifice to die on our behalf. Sinless. Pure and spotless. And He had to be both man and God in order to bridge man to God, so to speak. Faith in Jesus is faith in God....it brings us (reconciles us) to God.

 

[soberxp]

He had to be God in order to fulfill the Law and be a sufficient sacrifice to die on our behalf. Sinless. Pure and spotless. And He had to be both man and God in order to bridge man to God, so to speak. Faith in Jesus is faith in God....it brings us (reconciles us) to God.

Dead wrong.

Because of you all—I mean not just you alone—you insist on regarding Jesus as God, and therefore He is sinless.

Jesus is sinless because He fully represents the Word of God. He did not act according to His own will; instead, He fully obeyed the Word of God, and He Himself is the very Incarnation of the Word.

It's like if God says to me, you're sinless. What can I say? I can only understand that I'm sinless.

 

[amigo de christo]

Regarding that quote from the Koran.........I wonder what the intent of it was. Was it intended to discourage polygamy, when the men realized they wouldn't be able to love many wives equally....or was it a way of simply instructing them they were supposed to love all their wives equally? Either way, we must not turn to the Koran for wisdom, even though there might seem to be snippets of wisdom and truth in it mixed with things that are against the truth. The Lord taught me that mixture is unequivocally not of God, period. Mixture is the "unclean thing" the bible says we are not to touch but come out of. Mixing holy with unclean makes the holy unclean. The parts that seem good and Godly serve as the bait to draw the soul to the unholy parts. Keeping in mind that the serpent in the Garden spoke some truth to Eve. to tempt her into disobedience. And the devil quoted select parts of the word of God in order to tempt Jesus in the desert. Going by this, God would not give any people a book full of mixture...it cannot be "of" Him.

Regarding Isaac and Ishmael....it was a matter of God's sovereign choice at the time, to raise up a people for Himself and "separate" them from the world. He sovereignly chose to reveal Himself and His word to Israel, not to Ishmael. Ishmael represented the sad results that come from a lack of trust in God and man taking matters into his own hands, which Abraham did, instead of trusting and waiting for the Lord to fulfill His promise. Taking matters into our own hands results in making a mess of things. It results in mixture. Which Ishmael symbolically represented.....half of Abraham and half of a slave woman, not born of heavenly Zion. (But that by no means disqualifies descendants of Ishmael from the receiving the gospel, whosoever of them will.)

Rom 3:1-2
What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision?
Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God.
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Not to Ishmael. Not to any of the Gentiles. "Salvation is of the Jews."

Exactly sister . I guess to some i must be Gods child cause i have jewish in me .
YEAH RIGHT . even unbleieving jews are not counted as the children of GOD .
THE FLESH profits NADA .
so who cares whether one was of the lineage of ishmael or Issac .
LEST ONE BELIEVES on THE SEED , CHRIST JESUS they in darkness and death , trapped in bondage
under the curse that man caused to come upon the earth .
EVEN if my father had been paul himself
IT WOULD PROFIT ME NOTHING , YE MUST BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST < HE IS THE MESSIAH , HE IS THE SON OF GOD .
Salvation IS of the jews , FOR JESUS , according to the flesh came of the jews . HE BE THE SALVATION
and THE ONLY salvation for a jew or a gentile
and unto all who deny HIM , dont expect salvation , but only wailing at thy end .