Has anyone been truly set free from their mental health issues?

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Huh??

Do you understand the difference between having healthy emotional responses, and mental illness?

You think God cannot heal, I'm here to tell you that's not true. And I'll keep saying it because I know as a fact it is true. God is our healer.

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You haven't got the first clue what I understand. You haven't got even a faint idea of what I know and what I've been through so leave your sanctimony at the door.

Schizophrenia is a mental illness anxiety and panic attacks are not. That doesn't mean they don't inflict great pain on people lives.

I never claimed God cannot heal unless you can cite my words. This is why I find it difficult to take people like you seriously you aren't responding not my words you're responding to what you think I said. God is out healer but you think he has to do it your way.
 

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I never claimed God cannot heal unless you can cite my words.
It's not about getting free from mental health issues it's about building your best possible life with them. If you can do that then the mental health issues don't disappear they just become background noise to your life and in that way things seem to get "better".

Lol you're assuming what I described wouldn't be healing and deliverance. Anxiety and sadness aren't going to go away and most people suffer more trying to make them go away rather than making their lives the best possible thing it can be.
It seems to you "healing" means learning to live with it.

I will continue to say, God heals, I know.

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It seems to you "healing" means learning to live with it.

I will continue to say, God heals, I know.

Much love!
Not at all. You need to listen closely if you can and stop with the rote responses ok? You assume God can only heal in one way. Sometimes people have to live with what is and learn to live the best possible life they can with what they have to live with. Sometimes that is the healing but your sanctimonious preaching diminishes the healing others experience.
 
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Not at all. You need to listen closely if you can and stop with the rote responses ok? You assume God can only heal in one way. Sometimes people have to live with what is and learn to live the best possible life they can with what they have to live with. Sometimes that is the healing but your sanctimonious preaching diminishes the healing others experience.
Anxieties, panic attacks, OCD and similar can be healed even naturally, without supernatural miracles.

I think that the discussion slides into "it is for the whole life unless some miracle happens" or something.
 

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Anxieties, panic attacks, OCD and similar can be healed even naturally, without supernatural miracles.

I think that the discussion slides into "it is for the whole life unless some miracle happens" or something.
Anxiety is future oriented fear. Fear will never disappear and it doesn't need to be healed. It's a natural safety mechanism given to us by God which helps us survive. Panic attacks are intense bouts fear. OCD is an actual mental health problem.

My point is even if it is for the whole life people can learn to live a fulfilling life and in doing so minimize the impact those things have on their daily lives.
 
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Anxiety is future oriented fear. Fear will never disappear and it doesn't need to be healed. It's a natural safety mechanism given to us by God which helps us survive. Panic attacks are intense bouts fear. OCD is an actual mental health problem.

My point is even if it is for the whole life people can learn to live a fulfilling life and in doing so minimize the impact those things have on their daily lives.
Also, God does NOT heal all people, great faith or not. Best possible life could pertain to so many things like, becoming a Quad through an accident and being stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of your life. Of course we can pray that if He wills, to heal us but even if you do not God, I know you will be there with me, helping to accept these things I cannot change. Help me to rise above my sicknesses, diseases physical or mental. If God healed everyone why are our hospitals full to capacity like, constantly.
We are in a very broken world and need the Lord for EVERY SINGLE THING!

Bless you and keep on keeping on!
 

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Anxiety is future oriented fear. Fear will never disappear and it doesn't need to be healed. It's a natural safety mechanism given to us by God which helps us survive. Panic attacks are intense bouts fear. OCD is an actual mental health problem.

My point is even if it is for the whole life people can learn to live a fulfilling life and in doing so minimize the impact those things have on their daily lives.
When we say anxiety in the context of this thread, we mean something else than a common human fear that comes and goes. We mean abnormal and constant anxieties which are an overreaction of brain to normal life events or to normal worries. Triggered for example by some childhood traumas or caused by for example chemical, hormonal disbalances or even by nutritional things like caffeine.

This can be healed, completely and without a miracle.
 
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I still have some OCD issues,

Same here.

But only on the issue of sin and what is not.

To explain, random thoughts come in, that's unavoidable. Scripture teaches to capture every thought and judge. My global filter :

Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions,
Gal 5:21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.


Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.


Gal 5:24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Gal 5:25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit.
Gal 5:26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

If a thought is in the red it is rejected immediately, it does not disturb me and I can keep my peace.

Trouble starts when demanding weird thoughts come in, do this, do that else it is sin. Then the doubts start. There has been a period in my life I gave in to this weird thoughts, not willing to sin. It was terrible, doing things while knowing it is unreal, but hey, you don't want to displease the Lord. Now I know its OCD. Because what's of the Spirit is not demanding, it's green.

For the rest I am completely sane :grinning:

but so much has been accomplished in me, I am greatly encouraged that He will see me through, all the way home.

Amen.

I found this website helpful.

 

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Yes, for 99%. With strict healthy lifestyle, regular sleep, animal-based diet, stress management and supplements.

I say 99%, because when I fail this lifestyle, I feel it is coming back. It disappears when I return to my regime.
I have a similar health lifestyle to what you mentioned here. I am/was diagnosed with PTSD years ago. It is mostly not an issue now. I refused meds for it bc for me, it made things worse. Due to trauma injuries, I had "apnea" that was brain based. I would simply forget to breathe and wake up gasping for air. In extreme stress, that happens still on occasion. But the meds relaxed me so much that I'd start to fall asleep and forget to breathe. So no meds for me. (I don't like meds anyway!)

What I did instead was that when my mond and heart began to race ...160bpm ... I'd speak to myself and assure myself that I am safe in Christ ...slow, deep breaths, eyes closed, and just say His name (Jesus) with each breath. In just a minute or two, things would calm down. If it happened again, same process ....till my body and mind learned I was okay. After a few months, the episodes became less and less frequent and they stayed away for 2 years until my youngest son passed away. They returned, but I understood what was happening ....every morning before my eyes opened, my adrenaline would go up ....I used the same method. I couldn't have gotten through that without Jesus Christ in my life.
 

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Also, God does NOT heal all people, great faith or not. Best possible life could pertain to so many things like, becoming a Quad through an accident and being stuck in a wheelchair for the rest of your life. Of course we can pray that if He wills, to heal us but even if you do not God, I know you will be there with me, helping to accept these things I cannot change. Help me to rise above my sicknesses, diseases physical or mental. If God healed everyone why are our hospitals full to capacity like, constantly.
We are in a very broken world and need the Lord for EVERY SINGLE THING!

Bless you and keep on keeping on!
This is exactly right
 
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I know for me personally I believe ocd is tied Into a lot of it I really like apologetics which helps defend our faith(but I know with me sometimes are to more questioning)...but simply some questions just are impossible to be answered with certainity. My favorite apologists name is Michael Licona. He has an obsessive analytical mind like myself.

I have the same issue. On the one hand knowing apologetics is really helpful, especially if you want to witness to others.
However on the other hand I don't really want to know and deal with all those arguments against the faith cause I worry that this
would create even more confusion and doubt.
What if I am exposed to arguments against the faith and don't know how to disarm them? Then this would drag me down.

I am also not good at coming up with own answers to issues or questions. I usually have to ask other people for input and they usually
know an answer.

What I also found is that some arguments FOR the faith don't really work for me either. For example if an apologist tries to calculate
the statistical probability of prophecies being fulfilled and then comes up with a tiny number. Such an argument doesn't really do much
for me cause it's too abstract. Arguments which try to prove God's existence somehow don't do much for me.

Also the reasons why I believe in God are highly personal and subjective. If I tried to tell them to another person then this person might
not be impressed by them at all. I think it's possible that an argument is very convincing to one person while another person doesn't find
it convincing.

I don't really think that God can be proven. Even if God's existence could be proved then a lot of people who still reject Him, just look
at what's described in the book of Revelation. In the end you also have to want to believe, which I do. I just wish I had a super strong
unwavering faith.

Imagine you had an experience with God then your faith would be at 100% and you'd be much bolder and you could also speak
to nonbelievers in a much different way. Then you could just tell me "Listen pal! I've experienced God. I know that He's real. Either believe
me or think I'm crazy".
Of course it wouldn't make sense to say this to everbody. But if you said this to people who know you and trust you, like relatives, then this might impress them and make them wonder if maybe there is a God.

Also if you were confronted with arguments against the bible or God then this wouldn't affect you anymore at all cause of your experience.
I really wish I could have had something like this. In my first years as a christian I hoped I could just get such an experience and then everything would be good but I didn't. I went to christian meetings and different churches for prayer, always hoping for this big breakthrough, but it didn't happen and I don't know why. I imagine that if I had been able to experience God then this would have changed
my whole path. Then instead of tripping on the spot I might have actually made progress and "grown".

What also sucks is when I watch testimonies from christians who had supernatural encounters with God and who make it look so easy
then I feel even worse and wonder is it my fault? Why can't I have what they have? :(



@ Nancy

Are you still exposing yourself to calvinistic/LS stuff? If yes then you should totally avoid it. I cannot even listen to christian ministers
who argue AGAINST calvinism and who play excerpts from calvinists in their videos! I cannot even stand listening to those excerpts cause
they already drag me down. It's crazy. To me it's pure poison.

JB Hixson, among others, has a lot of really good material about this.


You said: Faith is a muscle and no matter how hard it can be, we need to continually get up and dust ourselves off, and start over.

I don't even know if my problem is actually with faith. I think that my problem is rather with fear/doubt!
I mean in the bible it says that a double-minded man gets nothing from God. Such verses are totally discouraging to me!

Then I feel like I'm in a hopeless pit and unless I can somehow fix my problems God simply cannot help me!
There are also a lot of christians who teach stuff like "doubt cancels out faith" or "if you doubt then God cannot answer your prayer".

I simply have no solution for this problem! I was told stuff by ministers like "proclaim bible verses" which led to nothing it only made
me feel like a hamster in a hamster wheel.

I wish I could go back to when I started as a christian and had not yet been exposed to some of the damaging arguments. In my opinion
it's impossible to have a childlike faith when at the same time you're told stuff like "God isn't your genie" or "God may say yes or God may say no".

Imagine you're a new christian and you read some of those super bold statements from Jesus where He says "believe you receive and you shall have it" or where it says that if God was willing to sacrifice Jesus for us how much more will He be willing to give us everything we need,
and you want to just accept this with a childlike faith, then as soon as you hear your pastor or another christian "explain" that these verses
do not mean what they seem to be saying then your childlike faith is dead!

Just one example. Once I confronted a pastor with verses from psalms which say "who healeth all your diseases and who forgiveth all your
iniquities" and he just said "the psalms aren't doctrine." So according to him the psalms promise that God heals all our diseases but in reality
this isn't true or cannot be taken at face value!

What if today we see little healing because the faith in healing has been systematically eroded? I don't know. But it's definitely discouraging when the bible promises something and then you're told "Naaah, that's not what it means".

How on earth is a person supposed to have a childlike faith under such circumstances? It's simply impossible.
 
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I have the same issue. On the one hand knowing apologetics is really helpful, especially if you want to witness to others.
However on the other hand I don't really want to know and deal with all those arguments against the faith cause I worry that this
would create even more confusion and doubt.
What if I am exposed to arguments against the faith and don't know how to disarm them? Then this would drag me down.

I am also not good at coming up with own answers to issues or questions. I usually have to ask other people for input and they usually
know an answer.

What I also found is that some arguments FOR the faith don't really work for me either. For example if an apologist tries to calculate
the statistical probability of prophecies being fulfilled and then comes up with a tiny number. Such an argument doesn't really do much
for me cause it's too abstract. Arguments which try to prove God's existence somehow don't do much for me.

Also the reasons why I believe in God are highly personal and subjective. If I tried to tell them to another person then this person might
not be impressed by them at all. I think it's possible that an argument is very convincing to one person while another person doesn't find
it convincing.

I don't really think that God can be proven. Even if God's existence could be proved then a lot of people who still reject Him, just look
at what's described in the book of Revelation. In the end you also have to want to believe, which I do. I just wish I had a super strong
unwavering faith.

Imagine you had an experience with God then your faith would be at 100% and you'd be much bolder and you could also speak
to nonbelievers in a much different way. Then you could just tell me "Listen pal! I've experienced God. I know that He's real. Either believe
me or think I'm crazy".
Of course it wouldn't make sense to say this to everbody. But if you said this to people who know you and trust you, like relatives, then this might impress them and make them wonder if maybe there is a God.

Also if you were confronted with arguments against the bible or God then this wouldn't affect you anymore at all cause of your experience.
I really wish I could have had something like this. In my first years as a christian I hoped I could just get such an experience and then everything would be good but I didn't. I went to christian meetings and different churches for prayer, always hoping for this big breakthrough, but it didn't happen and I don't know why. I imagine that if I had been able to experience God then this would have changed
my whole path. Then instead of tripping on the spot I might have actually made progress and "grown".

What also sucks is when I watch testimonies from christians who had supernatural encounters with God and who make it look so easy
then I feel even worse and wonder is it my fault? Why can't I have what they have? :(



@ Nancy

Are you still exposing yourself to calvinistic/LS stuff? If yes then you should totally avoid it. I cannot even listen to christian ministers
who argue AGAINST calvinism and who play excerpts from calvinists in their videos! I cannot even stand listening to those excerpts cause
they already drag me down. It's crazy. To me it's pure poison.

JB Hixson, among others, has a lot of really good material about this.


You said: Faith is a muscle and no matter how hard it can be, we need to continually get up and dust ourselves off, and start over.

I don't even know if my problem is actually with faith. I think that my problem is rather with fear/doubt!
I mean in the bible it says that a double-minded man gets nothing from God. Such verses are totally discouraging to me!

Then I feel like I'm in a hopeless pit and unless I can somehow fix my problems God simply cannot help me!
There are also a lot of christians who teach stuff like "doubt cancels out faith" or "if you doubt then God cannot answer your prayer".

I simply have no solution for this problem! I was told stuff by ministers like "proclaim bible verses" which led to nothing it only made
me feel like a hamster in a hamster wheel.

I wish I could go back to when I started as a christian and had not yet been exposed to some of the damaging arguments. In my opinion
it's impossible to have a childlike faith when at the same time you're told stuff like "God isn't your genie" or "God may say yes or God may say no".

Imagine you're a new christian and you read some of those super bold statements from Jesus where He says "believe you receive and you shall have it" or where it says that if God was willing to sacrifice Jesus for us how much more will He be willing to give us everything we need,
and you want to just accept this with a childlike faith, then as soon as you hear your pastor or another christian "explain" that these verses
do not mean what they seem to be saying then your childlike faith is dead!

Just one example. Once I confronted a pastor with verses from psalms which say "who healeth all your diseases and who forgiveth all your
iniquities" and he just said "the psalms aren't doctrine." So according to him the psalms promise that God heals all our diseases but in reality
this isn't true or cannot be taken at face value!

What if today we see little healing because the faith in healing has been systematically eroded? I don't know. But it's definitely discouraging when the bible promises something and then you're told "Naaah, that's not what it means".

How on earth is a person supposed to have a childlike faith under such circumstances? It's simply impossible.
No it's not impossible. Jesus left us a church. He wanted us to be obedient to that church. Why is obedience important? Because it's the one thing the devil can't imitate. Even Jesus was obedient to to his parents.
 

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When we say anxiety in the context of this thread, we mean something else than a common human fear that comes and goes. We mean abnormal and constant anxieties which are an overreaction of brain to normal life events or to normal worries. Triggered for example by some childhood traumas or caused by for example chemical, hormonal disbalances or even by nutritional things like caffeine.
Well stated!
This can be healed, completely and without a miracle.
I'd have to caveat, depending on the severity and specific cause.

Much love!
 
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Hello @friedice,

"@ Nancy

Are you still exposing yourself to calvinistic/LS stuff? If yes then you should totally avoid it. I cannot even listen to christian ministers
who argue AGAINST calvinism and who play excerpts from calvinists in their videos! I cannot even stand listening to those excerpts cause
they already drag me down. It's crazy. To me it's pure poison.

JB Hixson, among others, has a lot of really good material about this."

It has been thirty years since that doctrine invaded my peace. It still does at times come at me like a freight train with a huge sign on the front saying "God doesn't love you"! But in order to survive, I must keep using Jesus Name to tell the thoughts to leave, if I believe God does not love me then, life would not be worth living. So I believe despite my fear and doubts. Remember the scripture where a man asked Jesus, "I believe, help my unbelief". If a Christian say's to me that they never had one single doubt...I would have to doubt that yet, who knows?

" What if I am exposed to arguments against the faith and don't know how to disarm them?"

This is where knowing your bible well comes in. I've spent decades of reading all sorts of doctrine and comparing to scripture, I know TULIP like the back of my hand and now have two nephews who have become hard core Calvinists. I'm pleased with their zeal but hate the doctrine.

Here is a clip of my favorite street preacher. I love how he talks to people:


Ray Comfort has many other great videos. I will definitely look up JB Hixson, thanks.

I also LOVE Andrew Farley, he is also a professor of linguistics so, he really knows how to pull apart the languages used in the bible.

The only prayers I pray for myself is to have His Spirit so that I CAN be bold and knowledgeable enough to actually be some good to further His Kingdom. Not sure that will happen as, it's been like 35 years since praying this way but, I had a bit of a breakdown over a period of several years. I was hanging on by a thread. Just won't let myself think like that anymore.

One moment at a time, not easy but, we have to believe He loves us and we cannot be listening to what others say, even pastors. We will know the Truth that sets us free from all bondage but, we must press on and get up each time we fall. If we lose hope, we are good for nothing but the garbage heap! BELIEVE He does love you...those verses about ask the Father in my name anything you wish...IMHO pertain to those He sent out to start Christianity an the Church.

I wish you well brother.
 
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Of course we can pray that if He wills, to heal us but even if you do not God, I know you will be there with me, helping to accept these things I cannot change. Help me to rise above my sicknesses, diseases physical or mental.
2 Corinthians 12:9-10 KJV
9) And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10) Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

Yes, sometimes He leaves us weak for His own reasons. Our duty is to endure regardless of whether He heals or not, delivers or not.

Much love!
 
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Yes, very severe cases are hard to deal with. But I do not know if even the most severe are impossible to heal naturally.
My case would be considered very severe. I at one time couldn't leave my camper bedroom without being hit with severe anxiety and heart rate up around 160.

I suffered extreme trauma from the womb, which to this day has not ended, as I live under threat. Losses of children, and a grandchild... survivor's guilt (try not to stay there). Honestly, Idk at times how much more I can handle .....but God. I am here because of His keeping power. I am only here bc He has a purpose for me being here.
 

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Trouble starts when demanding weird thoughts come in, do this, do that else it is sin. Then the doubts start. There has been a period in my life I gave in to this weird thoughts, not willing to sin. It was terrible, doing things while knowing it is unreal, but hey, you don't want to displease the Lord. Now I know its OCD. Because what's of the Spirit is not demanding, it's green.
I had a particularly bad episode just like this that broke my faith for the better part of a year. I had the idea that God was requiring of me something I could not then do, and my OCD mind tied me up in knots. I was so far gone into this it was triggering Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, leaving me incapacited for days at a time. I say incapacited, but I still had to force myself to live my life. Utter Misery!

I had no peace, no rest, no assurance, just cold hard dread. After much prayer from many people the hold was broken, and my faith was restored.

God used the strangest source to give me a message to confirm what I suspected was true, that I'd been deceived. Once I understood what had happened, in a matter of a couple of weeks my angst and my fatigue were resolved, praise Jesus!!!!!

Those who haven't experienced this kind of OCD I think may have a difficult time understanding how powerful it can be!

What you said is really good, right on point! We have to compare all that is in our lives to Scripture, and let that be the judge, not what we think, or feel, or what is happening, that's not the deciding factor, God's Word is.

Much love!
 

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My case would be considered very severe. I at one time couldn't leave my camper bedroom without being hit with severe anxiety and heart rate up around 160.

I suffered extreme trauma from the womb, which to this day has not ended, as I live under threat. Losses of children, and a grandchild... survivor's guilt (try not to stay there). Honestly, Idk at times how much more I can handle .....but God. I am here because of His keeping power. I am only here bc He has a purpose for me being here.
Would you say that you are healed now or at least that are you able to keep it in full remission with natural things other people can do too?
 

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Those who haven't experienced this kind of OCD I think may have a difficult time understanding how powerful it can be!

That !

And the OCD brain is soooooo smart, actually cruel, now that I understand it and learned to ignore the demanding thoughts, it can still accuse me of hiding behind Gal 5:22-23 and I am back at square one if I don't pay attention.

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

What you said is really good, right on point! We have to compare all that is in our lives to Scripture, and let that be the judge, not what we think, or feel, or what is happening, that's not the deciding factor, God's Word is.

Much love!

Exactly, we live by faith, not by feelings, the Word says : I am bought with a price, I am no longer my own, Jesus bought me.

1Cor 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,
1Cor 6:20 for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

Praise Jesus!