WHAT IS MEANT IN HEBREWS SAYING THERE IS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS?

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Did you know "have become" is in the Perfect tense?

This means that if you hold to the end, this means you truly did become a partaker of Christ. If you do not hold to the end, this means you had not actually become a partaker of Christ.

I know this isn't what you've learned, but this is the grammar of the passage.

Much love!
WELL THEN , TELL THAT TO THE ALL INCLUSIVE LOVEY DO
who sure do lead this people RIGHT TO A LIE that implies all religoins serving the same GOD .
CAUSE THAT DARN SURE DONT SOUND LIKE THE GOSPEL OF YE MUST BELEIVE IN HIM TO ME .
ITS A LIE marks . A LIE and yet many love the cup of this ecumincal WHORE who is leading them
to finding common ground and the lie . SO go roar a bit at the false ecumincal churches who sit under THIS HARLOT .
 
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Did you know "have become" is in the Perfect tense?

This means that if you hold to the end, this means you truly did become a partaker of Christ. If you do not hold to the end, this means you had not actually become a partaker of Christ.

I know this isn't what you've learned, but this is the grammar of the passage.

Much love!
kissing korans , kissing budda statues , hollering we all serve the same GOD .
NOW WHERE IS THE GOSPEL In that mark . but i darn sure dont see hardly anyone
helping me to warn against this harlot and her ecumicnal cup of whoredoms .
WE cant have it both ways mark . Sorry but that dont work .
IF WE TRULY BELIEVE and BELIEVED THE GOSPEL
WHICH I DARN SURE KNOWS states THAT ONE MUST BELEIVE from the heart that GOD rose HIM from the dead
and CONFESS HIM BY NAME TO BE SAVED ,
THEN WHY WO ULD WE ALL SIT and hold hands with an idea and those who preach it
WHICH darn sure implies another gospel that says ALL is okay IF ONE BELIEVED NOT as IT HUGS ON MUSLIMS
buddists and all WHO DO DENY JESUS IS THE CHRIST , THE SON OF GOD and THAT ONE MUST BELIEVE HIS RESSURECTION
WHY hold hands and find common ground with that . WE cannot have it both ways
EITHER WE TRULY BELIEVED JESUS or we beleived the lie . but it cannot be both . EXPOSE THE ECUMINCAL WHORE .
 
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and yet this people sees me as the hater and some even as a danger to society .
BUT IT AINT ME going with the flow of the lie of the well favored Harlot .
NO i been exposing her lie of UNBELIEF
and pointing Only to THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
 
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Ezekiel's temple was for Israel to build after they returned from Babylon, but they did not build it, they built a small one instead.
I am not going to go into it all, but there are differences between the Mosaic temple and Ezekiels that make that unlikely.

EzekielNumbers
Pesach – 14th of Nisan
(Ezek 45:21–22 / Num 28:16)
Includes a bull of purification (חטאת) offering.Includes no such offering.

There is no day of atonement in Ezekiel's sacrifices as in Leviticus 16:15 & 30
 

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I am not going to go into it all, but there are differences between the Mosaic temple and Ezekiels that make that unlikely.

EzekielNumbers
Pesach – 14th of Nisan
(Ezek 45:21–22 / Num 28:16)
Includes a bull of purification (חטאת) offering.Includes no such offering.

There is no day of atonement in Ezekiel's sacrifices as in Leviticus 16:15 & 30
And some even here go round and round over meats
and yet and yet many no longer even BELEIVE THE GOSPEL
DONT yall think its time to return to the basics .
I mean i could sit here and try and teach some spiritual meats myself
but if men believe the new gospel of unbelief , HECK THEY DONT EVEN BELEIVE THE GOSPEL anymore
EVEN if they try and claim too . cause we cannot CLAIM TO BELEIVE and then turn around and preach unbelief
as muslims and other false religoins are added in under the guise they all believe the same GOD WE DO LIE .
SO how ab out some warning against yalls beloved ecumincal WHORE for unity and peace n safety .
CAUSE SHE LYING TO US ALL my friend .
 
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I am not going to go into it all, but there are differences between the Mosaic temple and Ezekiels that make that unlikely.

EzekielNumbers
Pesach – 14th of Nisan
(Ezek 45:21–22 / Num 28:16)
Includes a bull of purification (חטאת) offering.Includes no such offering.

There is no day of atonement in Ezekiel's sacrifices as in Leviticus 16:15 & 30
The gospel many preach today and have come to learn and to love is A LIE .
And yet when cornered these false charlatons try and claim HEY WE BELEIVE THE GOSPEL .
WELL the gospel states YE MUST BELIEVE that GOD raised JESUS from the dead
and confess HIM by mouth .
But they then say , OH unbeleif is okay as they holler to the muslims and false religoins , HEY we serving the same GOD
we all coming to GOD differently .
THAT would be like me saying HEY i BELEIVE FOR A FACT two plus two is FOUR
and then saying BUT HEY it can be five or six . NO SIR it means I DONT BELEIVE it at all .
cant preach BOTH BELEIF and UNBELIF or it was only UNBELEIF you TRULY BELEIVED . now on those f eet
we got a ecumincal whore to expose .
 

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Did you know "have become" is in the Perfect tense?

This means that if you hold to the end, this means you truly did become a partaker of Christ. If you do not hold to the end, this means you had not actually become a partaker of Christ.

I know this isn't what you've learned, but this is the grammar of the passage.

Much love!

Sorry bro but it’s clear… he who endures to the end shall be saved.
 
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‘The context of Hebrews 6 and 10 begins in Hebrews 3


Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, Hebrews 3:12-14

  • For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end

‘Those who depart from Christ are those who renounce while under persecution to save their life.


If a person does this, then there is no way to bring them back to repentance, since they have…

…have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
Hebrews 6:4-6


So now without Christ, or the Holy Spirit, if they sin then they no longer have a sacrifice for sin.

For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Hebrews 10:26-27


The end of chapter 10 concludes with this…


But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.
Hebrews was given to the believing remnant of Israel under persecution. They were to remain steadfast to receive a full reward in their earthly kingdom..................[Heb 10:35 KJV] 35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
 

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Sorry bro but it’s clear… he who endures to the end shall be saved.
ONLY HE WHO ENDURES to THE END shall be saved . as i am sure you would agree my friend .
SO now allow me some words .
IF even the church who beleives MUST CONTINUE to BELIEVE , to FOLLOW HIM to the end to be saved ,
HOW ON EARTH are more and more within christendom
now even saying muslilms , buddists , and etc are coming to GOD their own way . T ALK ABOUT FAITH IN UNBELIEF and A LIE .
many gonna wail JLB . yes even many in wool WHO DECIEVED THEMSELVES AND THIS PEOPLE
and LOVED A LIE and preached the lie of a harlots ecumenical interaith broad love .
 

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Hebrews was given to the believing remnant of Israel under persecution. They were to remain steadfast to receive a full reward in their earthly kingdom..................[Heb 10:35 KJV] 35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
The gospel many preach today and have come to learn and to love is A LIE .
And yet when cornered these false charlatons try and claim HEY WE BELEIVE THE GOSPEL .
WELL the gospel states YE MUST BELIEVE that GOD raised JESUS from the dead
and confess HIM by mouth .
But they then say , OH unbeleif is okay as they holler to the muslims and false religoins , HEY we serving the same GOD
we all coming to GOD differently .
THAT would be like me saying HEY i BELEIVE FOR A FACT two plus two is FOUR
and then saying BUT HEY it can be five or six . NO SIR it means I DONT BELEIVE it at all .
cant preach BOTH BELEIF and UNBELIF or it was only UNBELEIF you TRULY BELEIVED . now on those f eet
we got a ecumincal whore to expose .
 
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Sorry bro but it’s clear… he who endures to the end shall be saved.
Hey, I'm just sharing what the verse actually is telling us. In truth, I didn't expect it to matter to you, but still I share.

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I am not going to go into it all, but there are differences between the Mosaic temple and Ezekiels that make that unlikely.
Ezekiel's temple was not intended to duplicate the first temple. Just the same, this was the command given. If you are ashamed of your sins, build this temple. They didn't do it. The sacrifices for sin confirm this was intended to be built before Jesus died.

The didn't come back (just a small portion did), and they didn't build the temple as commanded. And because of this, their punishment was visited upon them 7 times over, just as in Leviticus, meaning they would not return to self-rule until 1948.

Much love!
 

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[Numbers 15:30 KJV] 30 But the soul that doeth [ought] presumptuously, [whether he be] born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

There was no sacrifice offered for one of the congregation, or a stranger among them, to atone for willful sin.

Hebrews likewise does not offer a sacrifice for willful sinning...............[Heb 10:26 KJV] 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,.............under the new covenant there is no Levitical offering to atone for willful sin.
All sin is willful. We do not sin by mistake. We consciously do it!

And that is not what teh passage is saying.

Are you teaching one has to be sinlessly perfect or they are not saved??
 
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Hey, I'm just sharing what the verse actually is telling us. In truth, I didn't expect it to matter to you, but still I share.

Much love!

‘Brother it’s not that it doesn’t matter.

Look at the sentence construction and language that is used.

You are saying that if they depart from the faith, they were never saved.

That is not what this passage is saying.

  • First and foremost he is speaking to brethren, people who are save.

Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, Hebrews 3:12-14

  • in departing from the living God;

This refers to departing from God; turning away, or falling away from Him.


How can a car depart from the garage it was never in?
 

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That is not what this passage is saying.
That is exactly what it is saying.

Having confidence is not the same as being regenerate.

Hebrews 3:10-19 KJV
10) Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
11) So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
12) Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13) But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14) For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
15) While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16) For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17) But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
18) And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19) So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

The context is comparing the Hebrew of that day to the Israelites in the wilderness. They left Egypt following where God was leading them, but they would not enter the promised land.

This is in perfect harmony with:

1 John 2:19 KJV
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Much love!
 

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""No more Sacrifice for sin."

What does this actually mean?

Its very simple.

It simply means that if your Reject Jesus then you have rejected the only Sacrifice that God has offered for your sin.
There is no other eternal sacrifice for your sin.........its only JESUS on The Cross.

So, if you rejected Jesus.....have never trusted in Christ.. then you have rejected God's ONLY Sacrifice for your sin.... and now there remains NO OTHER, as Jesus is the only sacrifice for your sin.
= If you reject Him, then there is = No other Sacrifice for your sin....= NO more Sacrifice for sin.

Now, the Heretics, who dont trust in Christ to keep them saved, will lie to you and tell you that "if you sin knowing its a sin, if you do it on purpose Willfully, then you have lost your salvation".

So, that is total nonsense, and the reason is........ Christians sometimes do things they know are wrong.
And on the day God saved you, God knew you would do those things later.. and He saved you anyway because The Blood of Jesus cleanses all your sin.....forever.

Let me show you some common "sins".. (works of the flesh) that Christians commit all the time.

It can be ....... to not be totally truthful on your Tax form or on a Job interview form.
It can be that a Christian won't be completely truthful when asked "how much money do you make a year". when trying to get some extra help from the State or Gov, or more CREDIT.
It can be to tell a "white lie"....or to tell a whopper.
It can be to steal something, like when you are on the job and you are wasting time instead of doing your job. You are stealing money from your employeer when you do that little trick.
Have you ever "called in Sick", when you just wanted a day off?
It can be to know you should not watch a certain TV show or Movie, because its dirty.....it has sex in it and you knew it, and you watched it anyway and enjoyed it, till the guilt landed on you.
And i can keep on listing gluttony, or getting high, or getting drunk.......and so many more little "sins", and eventually ill find the one that you've done....and you did it willfully, knowingly, and probably more then once.
Now, if you say that all your sins are "accidents", then you just LIED and now you've sinned.

So, ive good news for EVERYONE.......You are still saved, you are still going to heaven.
Why?

Because God does not charge sin to the born again..... 1 Corin 5:19... Romans 4:8.... because the born again are "not under the law, but under Grace".

And what make this possible?

A.) "Jesus is the one time ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin"... because "God hath made Jesus to BE SIN, for us".

= Jesus has our sin, and we have God's Gift of Righteousness.

Welcome to : Salvation

Its an Eternal "GIFT" from God.
 
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That is exactly what it is saying.

Having confidence is not the same as being regenerate.

Hebrews 3:10-19 KJV
10) Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
11) So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
12) Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13) But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14) For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
15) While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16) For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17) But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
18) And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19) So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

The context is comparing the Hebrew of that day to the Israelites in the wilderness. They left Egypt following where God was leading them, but they would not enter the promised land.

This is in perfect harmony with:

1 John 2:19 KJV
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Much love!

How can a car depart from the garage it was never in?
 

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How can a car depart from the garage it was never in?
If you don't continue in your confidence to the end, you were not made a partaker of Christ. This is the plain saying of the passage. And this agrees with other Scripture.

Like in the parable of the sower, some seed sprouted up but then withered away, because it had no root. An emotional experience, but not regeneration.

You can know the truth, but not be born again. And then you give up on what you know, and depart, but you've still never been born again.

Much love!