WHAT IS MEANT IN HEBREWS SAYING THERE IS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS?

[amigo de christo]

All sin is willful. We do not sin by mistake. We consciously do it!

And that is not what teh passage is saying.

Are you teaching one has to be sinlessly perfect or they are not saved??

What is the one sin that if a man remains in WILL cause him to DIE in his sins .
UN BELEIF .
but be on guard my friend . for many now BELEIVE in another jesus who preaches another love
that has denied the very words OF THE REAL JESUS .
they beleive NOT JESUS OR HIS WORDS they beleive in another jesus who sure seems to lie
and contradict the real one . JUST a dire necessary reminder
that we all better get in those bibles and be refreshed and a learning WHAT THE REAL JESUS said
as well as all holy scriptures , yes even the letters of the apostels as well as revelation .
cause GOD dont lie , thus CHRIST does not lie .
BUT ..............................I know another god who lies all the time and we sure dont want to follow or beleive that god .
HIS END is perdition and so is and will be the end of his children . HOPE that encourages you .

 

[amigo de christo]

Genesis 22 .

and now we know why Abraham called the place JEHOVAH JIREH
And how later his very words to Issac , my son GOD WILL PROVIDE A LAMB
would come to fullfillment by CHRIST JESUS .
Abraham saw something on that mount as even the gospel was preached to him .
And here is what i beleive he saw .
Abraham rejoiced to see my day , HE SAW IT AND WAS GLAD . but you are not yet even fifty years old
and you have seen abraham . Before abraham even was I AM .
abraham saw JESUS day , JESUS said HE SAW MY DAY and HE REJOICED and was glad .
And what does JEHOVAH JIREH MEAN
IN THE MOUTAIN OF THE LORD IT SHALL BE SEEN , PROVIDED .
Since you have not withheld your only son ........................

 

[amigo de christo]

Genesis 22 .

In the moutain of the LORD it shall be provided
And let us look real closely at the WORDS abraham had heard from GOD on that moutain .
And in other places . AND IN YOUR SEED shall all nations be blessed . WHO IS that seed .
JESUS THE GLORIOUS CHRIST .
Now dance that jig of praise unto the glorious LORD my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

How can a car depart from the garage it was never in?

IF a man CONTINUES in me HE shall know the T RUTH and the TRUTH shall make him free .
IF a man continues not IN ME he is cast forth as a branch and is burned .
So allow me to remind us all of what some of us already know .
THIS wrote paul TO THE BELEIVING GENTILES .
But be NOT highmind but fear
for if GOD spared not the natural branches take HEED lest he also spare not thee .
BEHOLD therefore the goodness and severity of GOD .
GOODNESS towards THEE , IF , IF , IF , IF you continue in HIS GOODNESS
otherwise YE SHALL BE CAST OUT , CUT OFF .
YOU bet paul knew the real deal my freind . they all did
THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON CHRIST and continue IN HIM TO THE END . TO the END .
FOR as he wrote in another place
FOR we are HIS HOUSE , IF
something follows that IF
or in another place where he writes
FOR we are made partakers of CHRIST , IF ............................now that follows that IF
IF we hold the hope firm , our confidence firm , IN HIM , TO THE END . did that say to THE END .
YES IT DID . many have no desire for to hear the truth but only to hear an acroynm
And though they falsely accuse us who remind we must continue in the end
and say HEY YALL DONT TRUST IN JESUS
well my friend ITS THEY WHO DONT TRUST IN JESUS , cause DID HE SAY IT FIRST . YOU SEE I TRUST HIS WORDS
and not the twisted words of men . JESUS SAID IT FIRST and thus WE must continue with the reminder and the warnings .
WE too must behold b oth the goodness of GOD and the severity
and continue IN HIS GOODNESS . HE knows how to save and keep one safe .
TIS why he often had many warnings and reminders for us to learn as did the apostels who also knew BY The
SPIRIT how to keep the church safe and from falling . FOR IT IS HE who worketh in us that which is well pleasing in His sight .
AND calling HIM a liar , IS NOT WELL pleasing IN HIS SIGHT .

 

[Muna]

In the moutain of the LORD it shall be provided
And let us look real closely at the WORDS abraham had heard from GOD on that moutain .
And in other places . AND IN YOUR SEED shall all nations be blessed . WHO IS that seed .
JESUS THE GLORIOUS CHRIST .
Now dance that jig of praise unto the glorious LORD my friend .

Not to mention "I die daily" is (sorta/kinda) a human sacrifice
The Father not withholding his only Son there would be a
similitude of God the Father sparing not His only begotten Son.

But he still used a picture of human sacrifice, but disallowed that
to be followed thru, because that was just a picture of what God
was going to do through Jesus Christ.

 

[amigo de christo]

dance that jig of praise TRULY
i see my friend has arrived . Onwards in the LORD
for verily verily or truly truly i say unto thee and to all
JESUS IS THE ONLY HOPE , THE ONLY SALVATION a man can have .

 

[amigo de christo]

Not to mention "I die daily" is (sorta/kinda) a human sacrifice
The Father not withholding his only Son there would be a
similitude of God the Father sparing not His only begotten Son.

But he still used a picture of human sacrifice, but disallowed that
to be followed thru, because that was just a picture of what God
was going to do through Jesus Christ.

Correct my friend . GOD never planned to truly have ISSAC sacrficed .
To test abraham and to REVEAL to abraham was the plan .
Abraham did not know this , but GOD always knew what HE himself would do on that moutain .
IT was TO SHOW abraham that which was to COME .
TO the t renches truly
for verily verily or truly truly i say to us all THE WELL FAVORED HARLOT takes not time off for to pour her cup
of fornicational love and rebellion unto this people .
BUT WE SHALL PREACH ONLY JESUS to the end my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

Not to mention "I die daily" is (sorta/kinda) a human sacrifice
The Father not withholding his only Son there would be a
similitude of God the Father sparing not His only begotten Son.

But he still used a picture of human sacrifice, but disallowed that
to be followed thru, because that was just a picture of what God
was going to do through Jesus Christ.

yes it was a trial a test . you are also correct on that my friend .
A trial is something the flesh would not desire and one must overcome the flesh to do what was required .
Temptation is another thing
THAT cometh OF the FLESH and its the d esire OF THE FLESH and it willl and does work CONTRARY to the things of GOD .
Abraham TRULY DID have faith .
HE BELEIVED GOD , HE OBEYED GOD . though no man is perfect , HE DID have faith .
FAITH pleases GOD and without it one cannot please HIM .
THE JUST shall live by FAITH .
And if one has NOT FAITH IN JESUS THE CHRIST but rather denies him and beleives not on HIM
THEN how does such a soul have FAITH IN GOD . IT DONT .
abraham heard from GOD and beleived GOD
but many seem to not want to BELEIVE the words OF CHRIST , well THIS DID NOT DO ABRAHAM .
Just a friendly reminder to us all that this ecuminal whores cup of her love IS DEATH to drink .

 

[Muna]

Correct my friend . GOD never planned to truly have ISSAC sacrficed .
To test abraham and to REVEAL to abraham was the plan .
Abraham did not know this , but GOD always knew what HE himself would do on that moutain .
IT was TO SHOW abraham that which was to COME .
TO the t renches truly
for verily verily or truly truly i say to us all THE WELL FAVORED HARLOT takes not time off for to pour her cup
of fornicational love and rebellion unto this people .
BUT WE SHALL PREACH ONLY JESUS to the end my friend .

Hebrews does tell us that the law has the shadow of good things to come but not the very image of the things
and we know God spake by the prophets using similitudes by their ministry

As Hosea say,

Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

And so Abraham being a prophet himself (Gen 20:7) his things can be expounded upon that way.

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

And in accord with Hosea 12:10 Paul could also say of Abrahams things

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory...

Pictures of Jesus Christ hidden in there for us to unearth. I think the first thing we might be struck by is how much Abaham could love God to do what he did (in offering His Son) on a certain level, but on the other side of it, we see God the Father doing that same (by the giving of his Son) because of His love for us.

 

[Always]

Yes, the bride to be can know God before she is married, and sin. But she is not yet as one flesh (saved in Christ).

Salvation is the marriage.

That is beautifully stated... however, I have in my spirit, that whosoever confesses with their mouth that Jesus live, died and rose is saved. Now of course and I think and agree with you that confession has to be followed up by fruits or a relationship. That's why I feel some, are as you stated not "truly saved" yes, no one can snatch us out of God's hand, however we can choose to leave...... Eve did not have a relationship with God even though both her and Adam walked in the Spirit with God, she sinned, but Adam did and chose to be disobedient and was kickout and fell from grace....

 

[amigo de christo]

Hebrews does tell us that the law has the shadow of good things to come but not the very image of the things
and we know God spake by the prophets using similitudes by their ministry

As Hosea say,

Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

And so Abraham being a prophet himself (Gen 20:7) his things can be expounded upon that way.

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

And in accord with Hosea 12:10 Paul could also say of Abrahams things

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory...

Pictures of Jesus Christ hidden in there for us to unearth. I think the first thing we might be struck by is how much Abaham could love God to do what he did (in offering His Son) on a certain level, but on the other side of it, we see God the Father doing that same (by the giving of his Son) because of His love for us.

What if the writer of hebrews knew something .
What if he knew abraham had faith and beleived that God would even raise up his son from the dead .
Seeing GOD had told him IN ISSAC shall thy seed be called .
LOOK again at what the writer of hebrews says when talking about t his
ACCOUNTING THAT GOD WOULD RAISE HIM FROM the dead . Abraham actually BELIEVED GOD
and what GOD has said concering EVEN ISSAC. IN ISSAC shall thy seed be called .
ABRAHAM REMEMBERED that and BELEIVED IT . talk about TRUSTING IN GOD . HE DID .

 

[ProverbsInPink]

How can a car depart from the garage it was never in?

I think that is not a good analogy.

There are nominal Christians. Those who claim to be Christian yet Jesus does not know them.
They are not regenerated. They were not called by God nor did His Spirit remove their hardened worldly mind block so they would understand His message.

Those Disciples that went out from Jesus and the other Disciples were seen walking with Jesus. However, they left because His ministry ,his message, was not understood by them.

And that's what Jesus knew all along. As he said of why he always taught in Parables. Not everyone was meant to understand. But for his Disciples who stayed walking with him,as Jesus said,to them it was given to understand.

 

[amigo de christo]

Hebrews does tell us that the law has the shadow of good things to come but not the very image of the things
and we know God spake by the prophets using similitudes by their ministry

As Hosea say,

Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

And so Abraham being a prophet himself (Gen 20:7) his things can be expounded upon that way.

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

And in accord with Hosea 12:10 Paul could also say of Abrahams things

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory...

Pictures of Jesus Christ hidden in there for us to unearth. I think the first thing we might be struck by is how much Abaham could love God to do what he did (in offering His Son) on a certain level, but on the other side of it, we see God the Father doing that same (by the giving of his Son) because of His love for us.

and who did the law point too . Not the shadow but to THE BODY . TO CHRIST .
oh its lovely and the sheep have always looked for HIS COMING . even long before HE DID come .
They did not hear the voice of the hirelings .
I enjoy reading the bible a lot my friend . Its so nice to talk about it as well with beleivers .
What sorrows me is when men only want to TWIST THINGS in it .
WHY not just beleive what is written and learn it . TO THE TRENCHES TRULY
for TRULY TRULY or as in earlier times VERILY VERILY i say unto thee , THE HOUR GROWS VERY LATE
indeed .

 

[amigo de christo]

I think that is not a good analogy.

There are nominal Christians. Those who claim to be Christian yet Jesus does not know them.
They are not regenerated. They were not called by God nor did His Spirit remove their hardened worldly mind block so they would understand His message.

Those Disciples that went out from Jesus and the other Disciples were seen walking with Jesus. However, they left because His ministry ,his message, was not understood by them.

And that's what Jesus knew all along. As he said of why he always taught in Parables. Not everyone was meant to understand. But for his Disciples who stayed walking with him,as Jesus said,to them it was given to understand.

OH i once too was a nonimal christain , could even lip the NAME of JESUS at times
BUT WOE UNTO ME it once was for i followed another jesus , and that jesus sure did seem to be okay
WITH MY SINS . I was LOST . LOST IN my sin , loving on the darkness but still could do as many do today
LIP his name and yet FOLLOWED a sin accepting jesus . PRAISE GOD FOR HIS MERCY
and the DAY HE SENT G RACE to me on may thiriteth of two thousand six .
ANY GUESSES on what book he put me into . a hint , ITS THE ONLY BOOK FOR THIS SHEEP . ITS THE BIBLE .
let us learn THAT JESUS , HIS WORDS , all words of Lovely and pure truth for ourselves .
cause believe me when i say we have us many fleecers within christendom
who bring this people to a false jesus
that denies HIS OWN words , HIS OWN gospel of YE MUST BELEIVE
who even holds rainbows and hundred dollah bills .
WE GOT serious problems my friend .
because as i said , I TOO ONCE LOVED MY SIN , BUT NOW I hate the very sin i once loved
WHERAS at one time i justified my sin , I NOW fight against the evils of my flesh
SO watch out . cause GOD aint into rainbow love or the love of money OR THE BROAD ROAD OF UNBELIEF either .

 

[amigo de christo]

IT BE LORD PRAISING TIME in the building . So hands up and let the rejoicing with many thanksgivings unto the LORD begin .

 

[Muna]

What if the writer of hebrews knew something .
What if he knew abraham had faith and beleived that God would even raise up his son from the dead .
Seeing GOD had told him IN ISSAC shall thy seed be called .
LOOK again at what the writer of hebrews says when talking about t his
ACCOUNTING THAT GOD WOULD RAISE HIM FROM the dead . Abraham actually BELIEVED GOD
and what GOD has said concering EVEN ISSAC. IN ISSAC shall thy seed be called .
ABRAHAM REMEMBERED that and BELEIVED IT . talk about TRUSTING IN GOD . HE DID .

You know, I have posted the same a few times in various ways, showing how the scriptures really testify of Jesus in these things, even his resurrection

Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

Where we see,

Gen 22:6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together.

Heb 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

Gen 22:7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son.

And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?

This is where Abraham said to Isaac...

Gen 22:8 And Abraham said, My Son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

Seeing the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, John declaring him

John 1:36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

Of Abraham's faith in the operation of God, it says

Heb 11:19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him ((( in a figure )))

Acts 10:40 ((( Him ))) God raised up the third day, and ((((( shewed him openly ))))

What was shown in a figure in Isaac God would shew openly in Jesus Christ

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many;
but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gen 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Abraham looked forward and we even look backward as far as the resurrection of Jesus Christ is spoken of

 

[ScottA]

That is beautifully stated... however, I have in my spirit, that whosoever confesses with their mouth that Jesus live, died and rose is saved. Now of course and I think and agree with you that confession has to be followed up by fruits or a relationship. That's why I feel some, are as you stated not "truly saved" yes, no one can snatch us out of God's hand, however we can choose to leave...... Eve did not have a relationship with God even though both her and Adam walked in the Spirit with God, she sinned, but Adam did and chose to be disobedient and was kickout and fell from grace....

It is the Time factor that causes this all to seem iffy. Within time we see things unfolding that in God are not, but are in Him "finished" even before the foundation of the world. This perspective is light through the prism of Christ, who He himself is not divided or in process as we would appear to be. This is the illusion of Time in which we are cast for our time of decision--a decision, which in God is a foregone conclusion--"finished."

The answer here, is that when we too can say "I am", we are. Even so, Time by nature hauntingly hold to doubt. Thus, we are told to endure.

In my own case, in my own experience, God took me from not knowing and not believing--passing over any time of believing--to knowing. He did that. I was unknowingly dead, but then and now alive. Having done nothing and given no opportunity or time to doubt--literally removed from time, then returned to it knowing. It is with and in that timeless knowledge that I now have no choice but to speak. Still, though it was given to me, none of it is mine except in Him.

As for the Bride, first comes the marriage--which is salvation--then comes the wedding feast. Therefore He said in the order in which it comes, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me."

 

[shepherdsword]

[Numbers 15:30 KJV] 30 But the soul that doeth [ought] presumptuously, [whether he be] born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

There was no sacrifice offered for one of the congregation, or a stranger among them, to atone for willful sin.

Hebrews likewise does not offer a sacrifice for willful sinning...............[Heb 10:26 KJV] 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,.............under the new covenant there is no Levitical offering to atone for willful sin.

Have you ever sinned when you knew you were sinning?

 

[Muna]

Have you ever sinned when you knew you were sinning?

I think the key here is after we have received the knowledge of the truth

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Whereas here there is shown these

2 Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

In a simlar way,

2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Since Paul says here

Col 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you,
since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth

He adresses those who believe we can sin that grace can abound, and who I would count as those who do not know the grace of God in truth.

Ephes 4:20 But ye have not so learned Christ;

The grace of God is given that sin shall not have dominion over one, and I believe there is a time we are not exactly sure what grace is for, but are ignorant concerning it. So the ignorance is still there.

Edit: Typo

 

[ScottA]

Have you ever sinned when you knew you were sinning?

That is the haunting question. However, that is not the purpose of the passages, or the purpose of our ability to see ourselves (and others) wavering in and out of sin after we come to the knowledge of sin.

The passages, in addition to pointing out the reality of it--with fear--is rather to assist those who want to stop and change, to be of a mind to endure unto the end of our time of decision. Such is the grace of God. Even so, even if we fail in our own strength, the matter was and is "finished" in God even before the foundation of the world. Which then separates those who want from those who do not want--which is the measure of our faith and belief in Him who holds our salvation--to some death, and to others life everlasting. For which He said, "whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him."