Is your faith defined by what you DON'T believe? - The anti-doctrinal stance

[St. SteVen]

Reading this forum, or any Christian forum it is easy to see those defined by what they don't believe.
Scan the topic titles and you can see it. Read a thread and see respondents lining up on either side of a doctrinal issue.

This may be an opportunity for some self-examination. (for me too)

Is your faith defined by what you believe, or by what you DON'T believe?

Do you make a career out of being anti-doctrinal?

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[Behold]

Is your faith defined by what you believe,

Paul teaches that you are born with the "measure of faith".

However, in LIFE, what "defines you" is what you do......its how you behave.

Whereas on a forum, you are defined by what you teach.

Now, we can look at your Threads, for 2 yrs......and you've never had a good word to say about The Bible, or God, or Christianity.
And we have seen you post and defend your "gosple of universalism" that falsely teaches that you dont have to be forgiven your sin, and you dont have to be born again, on earth, and you'll still go to heaven.
So, that and similar, is how you have defined yourself on THIS Forum.
You also once posted that you "love the bible" because you were being called out for all your anti-bible Threads and posts. @St. SteVen .
You then tried to "fake it" and do some some damage control, and that still has not worked out very well for you.
Nor will it ever.

You are the very one who actually posted ...( was it a Thread or just a post?) .... "Does the BIBLE Float like Soap".

You are definitely a piece of work, as you are dedicated to proving.
Believe it.

 

[Bob]

Reading this forum, or any Christian forum it is easy to see those defined by what they don't believe.
Scan the topic titles and you can see it. Read a thread and see respondents lining up on either side of a doctrinal issue.

This may be an opportunity for some self-examination. (for me too)

Is your faith defined by what you believe, or by what you DON'T believe?

Do you make a career out of being anti-doctrinal?

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Thank you for the thoughts and questions.

Although I start with what I believe, that inevitably leads to what I do not believe.

Self-examination follows (with God’s assistance): Are my beliefs consistent? (Or am I fooling myself?) Am I practicing what I believe? (Er, um, . . . .)

Nope, no “career out of being anti-doctrinal.”

Good to look for what we have in common with others (“if you would be understood, first seek to understand”). It is unfortunately pointless to have a quiet conversation with some on this forum: so be it!

Blessings.

 

[Hillsage]

Reading this forum, or any Christian forum it is easy to see those defined by what they don't believe.
Scan the topic titles and you can see it. Read a thread and see respondents lining up on either side of a doctrinal issue.

This may be an opportunity for some self-examination. (for me too)

Is your faith defined by what you believe, or by what you DON'T believe?

Do you make a career out of being anti-doctrinal?

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You've thrown this 'bobber and bait' out for the 3rd time since last year....I'm going to nibble a bit this time. Hope you're OK with that.

It's recently been said here that;

"Paul teaches that you are born with the "measure of faith"."

Do you agree with that statement, doctrine, opinion???? Whatever it is?

I am going to say No, IN MY OPINION Paul did not teach that. The CONTEXT was concerning those to whom, Paul was writing to. And that appears to have been 'the church' in Rome...or believers in Rome.

The bible was even more specific in saying; "To all God's beloved in Rome, who are called to be saints:"

Then we get to an even more specific context as to who has this "measure of faith".

For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

So, @St. SteVen , what's your opinion concerning this quoted OPINION? Was Paul talking to every one "born" or to believers?

"Whereas on a forum, you are defined by what you teach."

And don't worry, I won't judge you based upon whatever it is you believe that I don't.

 

[St. SteVen]

It's recently been said here that;

Do you agree with that statement, doctrine, opinion???? Whatever it is?

I am going to say No, IN MY OPINION Paul did not teach that. The CONTEXT was concerning those to whom, Paul was writing to. And that appears to have been 'the church' in Rome...or believers in Rome.

The bible was even more specific in saying; "To all God's beloved in Rome, who are called to be saints:"

Then we get to an even more specific context as to who has this "measure of faith".

For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

So, @St. SteVen , what's your opinion concerning this quoted OPINION? Was Paul talking to every one "born" or to believers?

Seems off topic, but this thread has been up for quite a while. So, no worries.

Perhaps we need to look at the original language. The NIV translation has only the believers. See below.

That being said, it seems to me that different individuals have a variable personal capacity to embrace the unknown.
Which critics might call gullibility. It seems that women, in general, are more gifted this way.

The spiritual "gift" (manifestation) of faith may be more "natural" to some.

Romans 12:3 NIV
For by the grace given me I say to every one of you:
Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought,
but rather think of yourself with sober judgment,
in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you.


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[ProverbsInPink]

Here's some of the hot-button "Anti" topic that define conversations on this and other Christian forums:

• Anti-Calvinist
• Anti-Arminian
• Anti-Catholic
• Anti-Jewish
• Anti-OSAS
• Anti-Losing-your-salvation
• Anti-Law
• Anti-Works
• Anti-Antinominianism
• Anti-Tithe
• Anti-Feminism
• Anti-Damnationism
• Anti-Gay
• Anti-Bibliolatry
• Anti-Established Church
• Anti-Modernism
• Anti-Fundamentalism
• Anti-pre/post/amillenialism
• Anti-A-Too-Loving-God
• Anti-Anything-Episkopos-writes

Any others we should add?

Sounds like a list that would apply to atheist discussion sites.

 

[St. SteVen]

Sounds like a list that would apply to atheist discussion sites.

Actually atheists have a much more objective view on these things than we do.
They are worth listening to. IMHO

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[Wick Stick]

That being said, it seems to me that different individuals have a greater personal capacity to embrace the unknown.
Which critics might call gullibility. It seems that women, in general, are more gifted this way.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Actually atheists have a much more objective view on these things than we do.
They are worth listening to. IMHO

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Atheists I've read on their own forums are hostile toward Christians.

 

[St. SteVen]

Atheists I've read on their own forums are hostile toward Christians.

Yes, in some cases.
Most are only hostile towards Christianity.

I like this YouTube channel. Former Christian turned atheist.

Genetically Modified Skeptic

I make videos about religion from a secular perspective and try to be compassionate in the process. Here you'll find collaborations with scholars of religious studies, essays about religion and psychology, personal stories from my life as a fundamentalist Evangelical Christian turned...

www.youtube.com

He makes some interesting comparisons starting just before the 12:00 minute mark.

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[St. SteVen]

For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

I like the term "measure of faith" used in this translation.
Because it indicates a variable amount, which tracks with my thinking on this.

As I said in the previous post, "different individuals have a variable personal capacity to embrace the unknown."
Or the ability to trust in something bigger than themselves.

This can be somewhat of an innate ability, a result of environment, or spiritual maturity.

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[Hillsage]

I like the term "measure of faith" used in this translation.
Because it indicates a variable amount, which tracks with my thinking on this.

As I said in the previous post, "different individuals have a variable personal capacity to embrace the unknown."
Or the ability to trust in something bigger than themselves.

This can be somewhat of an innate ability, a result of environment, or spiritual maturity.

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All the translations I've checked say "measure of faith", which you said you like. But some translations say "the measure.." and some say "a measure...". Your #25 posted Greek interlinear actually added an (a) in their literal interpretation of the word 3358 metron. But the koine Greek only has a definite article (the) and it has no indefinite article (a). We are on opposite sides of the fence concerning the amount of faith everyone initially gets. The word 'measure" seems pretty specific I think.
3358 metron: a measure ("metre"), lit. or fig.; by impl. a limited portion (degree)

That being said, it seems to me that different individuals have a variable personal capacity to embrace the unknown.
Which critics might call gullibility. It seems that women, in general, are more gifted this way.

I agree, but not because I think 'anyone' gets more 'initial faith' to start with. I think the women are just more apt to do what is required for their faith to grow.

The spiritual "gift" (manifestation) of faith may be more "natural" to some.

Here again, if by "The spiritual "gift" (manifestation) of faith..." you mean the "gift of faith" in 1 Cor 12, I believe that we move more in those 9 gifts, based upon grace. And more grace is given to those who humble themselves.....again and again. which builds up the "proportion of faith" we will have every time the holy spirit nudges us to step out and speak a manifestation from The Holy Spirit into coming to pass.

ROM 12:6* Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

I just know that when it comes to the 9 gifts (manifestations) of The Holy Spirit; If I 'think' I've heard the spirit of Christ whispering one of them, and I step out in confessing by 'faith' whatever gift it might be, the gifts most acted upon are the ones we have more faith for, simply based upon past experience. I hope that makes sense.

EDIT: I forgot to ask where your URL source is for the Greek interlinear you posted in #25?

 

[Hillsage]

Atheists I've read on their own forums are hostile toward Christians.

I can relate to how they feel toward "Christians". And it comes from how 'so called' "Christians" here, treat others who are also spirit-filled believers.

 

[St. SteVen]

EDIT: I forgot to ask where your URL source is for the Greek interlinear you posted in #25?

Romans 12:3 Interlinear: For I say, through the grace that was given to me, to every one who is among you, not to think above what it behoveth to think; but to think so as to think wisely, as to each God did deal a measure of faith,

biblehub.com

biblehub.com

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[St. SteVen]

All the translations I've checked say "measure of faith", which you said you like. But some translations say "the measure.." and some say "a measure...". Your #25 posted Greek interlinear actually added an (a) in their literal interpretation of the word 3358 metron. But the koine Greek only has a definite article (the) and it has no indefinite article (a). We are on opposite sides of the fence concerning the amount of faith everyone initially gets. The word 'measure" seems pretty specific I think.
3358 metron: a measure ("metre"), lit. or fig.; by impl. a limited portion (degree)

If it should be THE "measure of faith", then what does that mean? Is it only for believers, or for everyone?

And why use the word "measure"? Is it variable. or constant?
Does everyone have an equal "measure" when they first believe?

I was thinking about Peter walking on the water. Jesus said...
"... “You of little faith,” he said, “why did you doubt?” - Matthew 14:31 NIV

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[amigo de christo]

Paul teaches that you are born with the "measure of faith".

However, in LIFE, what "defines you" is what you do......its how you behave.

Whereas on a forum, you are defined by what you teach.

Now, we can look at your Threads, for 2 yrs......and you've never had a good word to say about The Bible, or God, or Christianity.
And we have seen you post and defend your "gosple of universalism" that falsely teaches that you dont have to be forgiven your sin, and you dont have to be born again, on earth, and you'll still go to heaven.
So, that and similar, is how you have defined yourself on THIS Forum.
You also once posted that you "love the bible" because you were being called out for all your anti-bible Threads and posts. @St. SteVen .
You then tried to "fake it" and do some some damage control, and that still has not worked out very well for you.
Nor will it ever.

You are the very one who actually posted ...( was it a Thread or just a post?) .... "Does the BIBLE Float like Soap".

You are definitely a piece of work, as you are dedicated to proving.
Believe it.

FAITH IN JESUS THE CHRIST . not to be confused with enterdeath or as many call it interfaith .
Oh yes that man has sure proven himself all right . And it dont look good either . Those who downplay the bible
are not the shoes we darn sure want to be in ,E SPECIALLY on THE DAY OF THE LORD .

 

[Muna]

Paul says not all men have faith​

2 Thes 3​

[2] And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.​

Whereas in Romans is speaking of those among themselves who have been dealt a measure of faith

Rom.12​

[3] For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
[4] For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
[5] So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
[6] Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy
according to the proportion of faith

 

[Behold]

Reading this forum, or any Christian forum it is easy to see those defined by what they don't believe.

@St. SteVen ... you are SELF defined.. on this Forum.... by your Satanic Cross Rejecting Gospel of "Universalism" that teaches that a sinner who is never forgiven, and never born again on earth, is going to Heaven.

This incredible LIE, is teaching that a Christ rejecting sinner, is no different in God's perspective, then a born again Christian who has trusted in Christ.

 

[amigo de christo]

@St. SteVen ... you are defined by your Satanic Cross Rejecting Gospel of "Universalism" that teaches that a sinner who is never forgiven, and never born again is going to Heaven.

And that is one cross no man wants to submit too my friend .
A christless cross of univeralism is a cross that leads only to the crucifying of the soul , the death
known as the second one . ITS JESUS the sheep point too .

 

[amigo de christo]

@St. SteVen ... you are SELF defined.. on this Forum.... by your Satanic Cross Rejecting Gospel of "Universalism" that teaches that a sinner who is never forgiven, and never born again on earth, is going to Heaven.

This incredible LIE, is teaching that a Christ rejecting sinner, is no different in God's perspective, then a born again Christian who has trusted in Christ.

some men never truly live and at their end only the second death awaits .
they are the dead and will lead the dead only to the second death .
But those who are now made alive IN CHRIST , WELL THEY GONNA POINT TO CHRIST JESUS and not to universal death ism .