Taken
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I Never said that.
I SAID, I disagree with your statement.
So…now…
Show me WHERE THEY IN Christ ARE Required to Suffer the Tribulations AND Wrath (to be) sent down from heaven.
Why I don't believe in a pretrib rapture
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I Never said that.
I SAID, I disagree with your statement.
So…now…
Show me WHERE THEY IN Christ ARE Required to Suffer the Tribulations AND Wrath (to be) sent down from heaven.
JLB
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The church will be preaching ”this gospel of the kingdom in all the world” during the greatest outpouring of the Spirit this world has ever seen.
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24:14
This move of God will also spark the greatest persecution the world has ever seen.
“Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. Matthew 24:15,21
The Church will be needed to bring in the harvest.
You said this is the church? I don't see that specified in the passage. In fact there will be angels flying in the sky proclaiming the gospel, are you sure it doesn't mean that? Again this seems like opinion and not actual Scripture.
Primarly against the children of Israel.
Revelation 12:12-17 KJV
12) Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13) And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14) And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15) And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16) And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17) And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Matthew 24:14-22 KJV
14) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17) Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18) Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19) And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20) But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Much love!
JLB
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Here let me help you.
“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Matthew 24:9-14
If you need more help understanding what Jesus spoke to the leadership of His church let me know.
13) And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14) And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15) And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16) And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17) And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
You see, this makes a specific statement of who is being afflicted. This great tribulation is against Israel. And the entire world, but primarily Israel.
Much love!
Bladerunner
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I said in a previous post that the soul and spirit of man are immortal. You then on reply said you disagree...These answer is either a agree or disagree....Nothing in between.
Start with Rev 6:9-11 for the scroll judgements are judgements of GOD during Daniel's 70th week.
I will not be encouraging you with lies G.
BTW,,,I'm a girl.
What is your hope?
That you will be removed from the tribulation?
Let's look at YOUR scripture:
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18
"For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the archangel’s voice, and with the trumpet of
God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are still alive, who are left, will be caught up together
with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage
one another with these words.
I'll also post the NLT version for some reading along:
11 Make it your goal to live a quiet life, minding your own business and working with your hands, just as we instructed you before.
12 Then people who are not believers will respect the way you live, and you will not need to depend on others.
13 And now, dear brothers and sisters, we want you to know what will happen to the believers who have died so you will not grieve like people who have no hope.
14 For since we believe that Jesus died and was raised to life again, we also believe that when Jesus returns, God will bring back with him the believers who have died.
15 We tell you this directly from the Lord: We who are still living when the Lord returns will not meet him ahead of those who have died.
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the believers who have died will rise from their graves.
17 Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Then we will be with the Lord forever.
18 So encourage each other with these words.
1. As you know, Thessalonians was written to the people of Thessalonica who had stopped living their daily lives because the believed the RETURN OF JESUS was imminent. Paul wrote to them teaching them that it cannot be known when Jesus would return and to continue in their daily, normal lives.
(this is general knowledge).
Paul was also teaching them that THEIR HOPE was in the RESURRECTION. They were not to listen to those that taught that there was no resurrection.
See verses 13, 14
2. Please note verses 15-17.
Please note that it does not speak of a rapture but of the SECOND COMING of Jesus, at the end of the world.
The living will NOT meet Jesus first. The opposite of your belief.
Verse 15
Jesus will return and those that have DIED will be raised first (to their glorified body).
Verse 16
THEN the living who are alive at the 2nd coming...will ALSO be caught up ....
and BOTH will be with the Lord forever.
Verse 17
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Taken
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In post # 255, you said…quote…
“The spirit and Soul of every man is immortal.”
Correct, I disagreed.
Immortal soul and Immortal spirit Does Not Apply to “Every” man.
Regarding they IN Christ and Rapture…”your Response”… —->
People are “continually” JUDGED in this Life, by other people AND by God.
Continual Judgements of God…for examples…
Liar, Cheater, Worthy, Sorry, Forgiven, Righteous, Believer, Submissive Believer, etc.
OR NOT.
Every individual is different; AND…“Regarding”… IF, When, AN INDIVIDUAL, freely chooses to “Establish” a Relationship WITH God, IS Paramount,…
Some men … Choose…
A relationship WITh IN God Before their mortal Bodily Death.
Some men… Choose…
A relationship WITH God Before their mortal Bodily Death.
Some men …Choose…
To Have No Relationship WITH IN or WITH God.
Each, Every, All of manKIND… ARE, Shall
BECOME: Bodily Dead.
“OR” BECOME: Soul Saved, Spirit Quickened, “OR” Rejected…(and lifeless body and soul Destroyed)
* According TO “THEIR Choice's”…
AND
* According TO “Gods, Order, Way, Manner, Timing… of His FINAL Judgement “Sentencing”.
They… already… “WITH-IN” God, called “IN-CHRIST”…have ZERO Negative Judgement or Sentencing…Against their dead body’s, restored souls, quickened spirits… !!
* THEY… are Already ACCOUNT-ED…IN Gods Heavenly Books and Records…
“Forgiv-EN, Perfect-ED, Sav-ED, Quicken-ED, Wash-ED, Sanctifi-ED, Cover-ED, Prepar-ED, Justified-ED, Deliver-ED”…
To BE “Gather-ED”;
BY Christ the Lord…
TO Christ the Lord…
TO the Clouds of the Lower Heavens…
WHEN Christ the Lord, Descends…
From The High Heavens…
To the Lower Heavens…
To Call Up, Redeem, Claim, Take, His Faithful, Righteous, IN Christ, unto His Face to Face Presence.
From There Forth… Where-ever Christ the Lord… IS, Goes… So ALSO does His Justifi-Ed, Redeemed, Righteous, Faithful, Deliver-Ed, Saved, Restored, Quickened, Go WITH Him.
1Thes. 4:
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Christ the Lord, They IN Christ, ARE NOT “ON” the Earth… Beginning the Last Days… OF Gods Tribulations AND Wrath Sent Down From Heaven “Upon the Whole World TO SUFFER” the Negative Consequences OF Tribulations AND Wrath From Heaven!
Josh 24:
[15] And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Rom 2:
[8] But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 5:
[9] Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
1 Thes. 5:
[9] For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
Glory to God,
Taken
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amigo de christo
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wrath from HEAVEN we do not suffer , but mark my words well
the wrath of men and of the beast cometh against the saints . GOD and the wrath of the lamb
cometh against the ugodly who loved and praticed a real big fat kuymbia love led lie that DENIED THE DIRE NEED
to beleive on JESUS as they beleive this is the way to peace n safety .
THE ONLY ONE I KNOW who would come to set up peace and by means of said peace
DENY CHRIST JESUS as the ONLY WAY to be saved and that one must BELIEVE IN HIM to be saved
WELL it AINT GOD . IT THE D EVIL and his anti christs of anti christ who do that wicked work.
And not you , not me , not any wants to follow The working of that which is of anti christ . SO boot
the ecumincal interfaith harlots doctrine OUT . Let us learn THE BIBLE and let us preach THAT JESUS
HIS WORDS and all the lovely words of TRUTH in that HOLY book .
amigo de christo
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Many do not realize , they simply do not know
that todays ecumincal love pie
has done and is doing and will do the very thing
that the jewish leaders did .
For they too See JESUS as a dangerous man .
They see His saints as men who be dangerous extremists
who through misinformation , hate and etc , are a threat and a danger
to their beloved kingdom on earth .
And the religious experts have deemed The TRUTH of the gopsel of Christ
HIS words that do cause divisions , as being a danger to society and world peace .
We are witnessing a deadly delusion and their hatred against the CHRIST and against HIS saints
WILL only increase .
Taken
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…
Well aware. My point Exactly. They ON Earth Suffer… They Risen UP (to the clouds) RAPTURE… are Escaped, Delivered FROM Gods sanctioned Tribulations and Wrath up the Earth and its inhabitants.
Well aware… On Going NOW upon this Earth, that anyone With Eyes that See and Ears that Hear… CAN See and Hear the Constant CONFLICT… For and Against God, Good and Anti-Christ, Evil.
Glory to God,
Taken
amigo de christo
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i want to focus on your last two very short sentences . Lies do not edify . THEY decieve . VERY TRUE .
and yet a lie can seem edifying and as truth to the DECIEVED . scary huh .
want proof . THEN EXAMINE THE WHORES LIES of her ecumincal BROAD ROAD LOVE .
many sure seem to be edified , many sure seem to beleive that lie as though it be truth .
FLEE THE ECUMINCAL WHORE and HER SATANIC ecmunical cry . we been duped badly .
FLEE her unity and finding common ground .
FLEE her cry of seeker friendly and her cry of judge not correct not
marvel not my friend . MANY can have a false sense of peace in A LIE . MANY DO already and many have throughout the ages .
TRUTH . its all about TRUTH .
many can make and LOVE , YES LOVE , YES LOVE A LIE .
b ut just cause they love it DONT MAKE IT TRUTH .
as you would know this .
SO why are you so connected to the v ery move of the vatican and RCC
AS ARE MANY protestants too . BIBLE TIME PARDNER . I KNOW most do not like to really
read that bible anymore . THEY KNOW WHY . because in it something within exposes what they really do love .
A LIE . sin . something contrary to GOD . BIBLE TIME is my cry to all . LET us test and see
IF WE REALLY DO love the TRUTH and not rather twisted truth and false love of men .
amigo de christo
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Did you just say for and against GOD , good and anti christ .
HEY FRIEND its not me SITTING UNDER many anti christs , ITS THOSE IN ECUMENCIAL INTERFIATH CHURCHES .
BINGO . i warn against that st uff . I DONT Sit under it and hope in men and presidents ON BOTH SIDES
that do its work .
MIGHT wanna seriously ponder on that my friend .
MANY are running to satan and yes i said satan and his nar realm and the solution of interfaith
MANY are running to the liberal side , satan and his solution
SO LETS NOT RUN to men shall we . LETS NOT HOPE in men shallwe .
BIBLE TIME taken , lest one be taken in the web of anti christ and its intefaith solution for peace . man i hope that helps .
Taken
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Yes.
That is a POINT of Factual Truth.
That was NOT directed to you as an Accusation.
Glory to God,
Taken
§Are you calling me a liar?
Then please post proof that the rapture was taught in the first or second century.....
or
apologize.
Thank you.
amigo de christo
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oh i know you did not mean it against me as an accusation my friend .
that was not why i wrote what i wrote .
WHY i wrote what i wrote is because MANY already DO sit at a table of anti christs and their ecumencial interfaith
which leads only TO ANTI CHRIST and will eventually be their own DESTRUCTION .
peace n safety , MY HIND FOOT , this entity is leading them all to the day of their own destruction
BY GOD AND THE LAMB that its lie TROD UNDER FOOT .
Yes sir.
A lie can seem edifying to the deceived.
And many who deem themselves to be Christian...
are as far away from Christianity as a New Yorker is from the Alps.
Too bad they don't even know it.
amigo de christo
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Why do you think say A Jw , or mormon , or one within any denomination , or even the RCC
can all adamantely say HEY WE ARE SAVED and WE follow the right way
and they can each see the error in the other BUT NOT in themselves .
And what do you say to one who is decieved and yet they say to thee you are .
HOW does one truly know if they have been following men and errors OR has it been GOD one has been following .
T HIS ANSWER is so simple and yet many know it not , THOUGH they would surely cliam they do .
BIBLE TIME . That is gonna be your test as it will the test of all .
But as usual the jw , the mormon , the decieved will say the one same thing
THE BIBLE cannot be learned by oneself , ye must sit under me says the mormon
Or the jw , or the RCC , or the etc .
WE BEEN LIED TO MY FRIEND . LIED Too. OH WHEN , O for the sake of thier souls , WILL THIS PEOPLE
do what could have clearly helped them . RE TURN TO THOSE PAG ES and do not look back .
Marvelloustime
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Taken
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God offers ManKIND;
* Salvation, BY, THROUGH, OF, WITH …
Him.
* Salvation, BY, THROUGH, OF, WITHIN …
Christ.
ManKIND has Freewill To Choose, as they Decide.
ManKIND WHO Rejects Gods Offering, Choose Neither…SO ALSO shall The Lord God…JUSTLY EFFECT that mans WILL, to BE
FOREVER “WITHOUT” THE:
Lord God Almighty.
Glory to God,
Taken
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