What does God's character tell us about the Bible?

[Charlie24]

Steven , when you can show us in Scripture where the folks in Hell get out, then you will have some merit.

Until then all you can do is manipulate the Scripture with nothing but hopes and dreams.

 

[St. SteVen]

This one restates the one given earlier from the same chapter.
Again, "the many" = all

Romans 5:15-16
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man,
how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of
the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin:
The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation,
but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

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[Charlie24]

That seems to be lost on you as well.
Did Jesus take away the sin of the world? (yes)

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If there were no sin in the end then there would be no wrath of God on the sin of man.

So what do you think, did Christ take away all the sin in the world, or did Christ take upon Himself the sins of the world to make reconciliation possible for man?

Hint--- Only faith in the Blood of the Lamb can take away sin. But all men don't have that faith!

 

[St. SteVen]

Steven , when you can show us in Scripture where the folks in Hell get out, then you will have some merit.

Until then all you can do is manipulate the Scripture with nothing but hopes and dreams.

What part of every knee and every tongue do you NOT understand?

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[St. SteVen]

If there were no sin in the end then there would be no wrath of God on the sin of man.

So what do you think, did Christ take away all the sin in the world, or did Christ take upon Himself the sins of the world to make reconciliation possible for man?

Hint--- Only faith in the Blood of the Lamb can take away sin. But all men don't have that faith!

Do you believe that the work of the atonement was incomplete somehow?

Did Jesus die to save us from God?

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[St. SteVen]

So what do you think, did Christ take away all the sin in the world, or did Christ take upon Himself the sins of the world to make reconciliation possible for man?

I don't tie those two together.
Christ did take all the sins away, as John said he would.
We have the ministry of reconciliation. (in the here and now)

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[Charlie24]

If there were no sin in the end then there would be no wrath of God on the sin of man.

So what do you think, did Christ take away all the sin in the world, or did Christ take upon Himself the sins of the world to make reconciliation possible for man?

Hint--- Only faith in the Blood of the Lamb can take away sin. But all men don't have that faith!

This is how the Universalists manipulate the Scripture!

They will show you where Christ takes away the sin of the world, and tell you it applies to all men.

They completely ignore the Scripture that tells the requirement for the sins to be taken away.

Then it becomes obvious all the sins of man are not taken away, those who will not repent in this life.

This is the junk they throw out there thinking no one has ever read the Scripture.

 

[St. SteVen]

This is how the Universalists manipulate the Scripture!

Nothing was manipulated. I quoted scripture directly.
You disregarded what the scriptures plainly said.

They will show you where Christ takes away the sin of the world, and tell you it applies to all men.

The Bible says this. Why do you deny it?
Sounds like you are the one manipulating the scriptures.

They completely ignore the Scripture that tells the requirement for the sins to be taken away.

I told you from the very beginning that all three doctrines of the final judgement had biblical support.
You have treated me unfairly this whole time.

Then it becomes obvious all the sins of man are not taken away, those who will not repent in this life.

Christ took captivity captive when he preached in the realm of the dead.
Had those who were redeemed then made a decision in this lifetime?

This is the junk they throw out there thinking no one has ever read the Scripture.

That saw cuts both ways.
I have made my case biblically, yet you consider it heretical.

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[Charlie24]

Nothing was manipulated. I quoted scripture directly.
You disregarded what the scriptures plainly said.


The Bible says this. Why do you deny it?
Sounds like you are the one manipulating the scriptures.


I told you from the very beginning that all three doctrines of the final judgement had biblical support.
You have treated me unfairly this whole time.


Christ took captivity captive when he preached in the realm of the dead.
Had those who were redeemed then made a decision in this lifetime?


That saw cuts both ways.
I have made my case biblically, yet you consider it heretical.

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Steven, just as you have no foundation whatsoever for the doomed to get out of the Lake of Fire, you have nothing that says man can be saved after he dies. It's all fabricated and found nowhere in Scripture.

All you can do is manipulate the Scripture to deceive people.

 

[Charlie24]

You're one of the best at this I've seen though, Steven.

You bombard with posts that require explanation and keep 'em coming in hopes they will give up, and you have won again.

Meaning you intentionally are leading folks to believe something you can't prove.

 

[St. SteVen]

... you have nothing that says man can be saved after he dies. It's all fabricated and found nowhere in Scripture.

That's not true.
I shared at least two things to cover that.
1) The Harrowing of hell. (Jesus took captivity captive)
2) Every knee and every tongue. (happens at the judgement)

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[Charlie24]

That's not true.
I shared at least two things to cover that.
1) The Harrowing of hell. (Jesus took captivity captive)
2) Every knee and every tongue. (happens at the judgement)

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Steven, Christ leading captivity captive in Eph. 4:8 is referring to Christ going down to Paradise after He paid the sin debt of man and setting the saints there free.

Man could not go to heaven with the sin debt still owed by man, they were kept in Paradise until Christ released them.

Remember the rich man and Lazarus? The rich man lift his eyes in Hell when he died, and Lazarus the beggar went to Paradise, Abraham's bosom.

At the judgement the saved will willingly confess Christ, but the unsaved will be forced to confess Christ. Remember, they came out of Hell to be judged and return back to the Lake of Fire. They will not be happy about that, but they will bow the knee and confess Christ is the Saviour of the world.

 

[St. SteVen]

Steven, Christ leading captivity captive in Eph. 4:8 is referring to Christ going down to Paradise after He paid the sin debt of man and setting the saints there free.

Man could not go to heaven with the sin debt still owed by man, they were kept in Paradise until Christ released them.

Not true.

1 Peter 3:18-20
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,

Remember the rich man and Lazarus? The rich man lift his eyes in Hell when he died, and Lazarus the beggar went to Paradise, Abraham's bosom.

Yes, there is a chasm separating those in the realm of the dead until judgement day.

At the judgement the saved will willingly confess Christ, but the unsaved will be forced to confess Christ. Remember, they came out of Hell to be judged and return back to the Lake of Fire. They will not be happy about that, but they will bow the knee and confess Christ is the Saviour of the world.

Not true.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

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[Charlie24]

Not true.

1 Peter 3:18-20
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,


Yes, there is a chasm separating those in the realm of the dead until judgement day.


Not true.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

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Peter is referring to the spirits that were disobedient during the days of Noah!

These are not human spirits but the fallen angels who tried to corrupt the human race by breeding with the women before the flood.

Peter mentions them again in 2 Peter 2:4,

"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;"

These are the fallen angels that were disobedient in the days of Noah with human women, and were cast into Hell in chains until judgment day. These are the spirits Christ made the announcement to.

 

[St. SteVen]

Peter is referring to the spirits that were disobedient during the days of Noah!

These are not human spirits but the fallen angels who tried to corrupt the human race by breeding with the women before the flood.

It's an obvious reference to where Jesus went in the three days before His resurrection.

1 Peter 3:18-20
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,

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[Charlie24]

Peter is referring to the spirits that were disobedient during the days of Noah!

These are not human spirits but the fallen angels who tried to corrupt the human race by breeding with the women before the flood.

Peter mentions them again in 2 Peter 2:4,

"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;"

These are the fallen angels that were disobedient in the days of Noah with human women, and were cast into Hell in chains until judgment day. These are the spirits Christ made the announcement to.

Gen. 6:1-2

"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

The sons of God here are not human beings, they are the fallen angels. They took wives and this is where the giants came from.

These are the spirits Christ spoke to.

Hey, you can believe it not!

 

[St. SteVen]

Peter is referring to the spirits that were disobedient during the days of Noah!

These are not human spirits but the fallen angels who tried to corrupt the human race by breeding with the women before the flood.

Peter mentions them again in 2 Peter 2:4,

"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;"

These are the fallen angels that were disobedient in the days of Noah with human women, and were cast into Hell in chains until judgment day. These are the spirits Christ made the announcement to.

These additional references make it clear who Christ went to visit.

Ephesians 4:8-10
This is why it says: “When he ascended on high,
he took many captives and gave gifts to his people.”
9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that
he also descended to the lower, earthly regions?
10 He who descended is the very one
who ascended higher than all the heavens,
in order to fill the whole universe.)

1 Peter 4:6 NRSV
For this is the reason the gospel was proclaimed even to the dead,
so that, though they had been judged in the flesh as everyone is judged,
they might live in the spirit as God does.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

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[St. SteVen]

The sons of God here are not human beings, they are the fallen angels.

Are not all who are in the realm of the dead spirits?
They are the physically dead.

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[Charlie24]

Gen. 6:1-2

"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

The sons of God here are not human beings, they are the fallen angels. They took wives and this is where the giants came from.

These are the spirits Christ spoke to.

Hey, you can believe it not!

Jude 6

Here they are again.

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

They left their habitation of being angels and became human and took wives.

 

[Charlie24]

Jude 6

Here they are again.

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

They left their habitation of being angels and became human and took wives.

I don't care if you believe it or not! So we will never agree on this.