WHAT IS MEANT IN HEBREWS SAYING THERE IS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS?

[GodsGrace]

Everyone is saved by faith by believing God
Israel was saved by believing God to offer sacrices to take away their sin

I agree with your first sentence.
Persons have always been saved by their faith..their belief in God.
The Jews made sacrifices....
Jesus was the last sacrifice...which is also valid for Gentiles.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes God gave covenants to Israel NOT US

Interesting.
So which are the ALL NATIONS in the Abrahamic Covenant?

And WHO is allowed into the New Covenant?

The answer is: EVERYONE

 

[Behold]

They are both the same gospel. The names were given to show who made the statement...sheesh.

John wrote John 3:16, and you said this is "Jesus's Gospel".
Then you stated that Paul's Gospel is "Pauls".

So, what im showing you is that Jesus didnt preach Paul's Gospel when He was on earth, but John did., and that is why they are the "same Gospel".

Paul's Gospel is "Christ Crucified"........and to access this for Salvation you BELIEVE.
Jesus never preached this Gospel to the Jews during His earthly ministry, because He hadn't died on the Cross, during His ministry to them.

 

[Behold]

You are one deluded individual. You ignore clear scriptures that show Paul preached the kingdom. To preach the kingdom IS to preach the gospel.

Paul preached "Christ crucified".......that is "the Preaching of the Cross".
Paul's Gospel is....."The Gospel of the GRACE of God", and that is not the preaching of the "Kingdom of Heaven."
The Kingdom Gospel will be found in the Trib, and its found as John the Baptist's preaching to the Jews, when John preached "repent, for the Kingdom of HEAVEN is at hand", and it was, as Jesus was on Earth.

 

[Fred J]

@Fred J @shepherdsword

Find the Truth in Hebrews that speaks of and includes the Body of Christ from the time Hebrews was written unto our current time.

Is the epistle to the Hebrews is the single context to the New Testament or New Covenant of GOD MOST HIGH?

No, it's just one part and out of context, compared to the others in context put together, can justify there's only one body of Christ.

Where every born again of water and of the Holy Ghost, Jews or Gentiles in 'oneness' and 'togetherness' in spirit, are members of it.

@shepherdsword = did you ever find a single scripture whereby God denotes satan as the 'moon'???

At the same time, did you ever find a single scripture whereby GOD denotes, the body of Christ is divided???

Where Christian Jews take one part of the body of Christ and Christian Gentiles take the other part???

 

[Fred J]

Nowhere does Paul say we are under covenant. He only says the covenants applied to Israel.

Give us the verse where Paul says the covenants applied to Israel??

 

[David in NJ]

Is the epistle to the Hebrews is the single context to the New Testament or New Covenant of GOD MOST HIGH?

No, it's just one part and out of context, compared to the others in context put together, can justify there's only one body of Christ.

Where every born again of water and of the Holy Ghost, Jews or Gentiles in 'oneness' and 'togetherness' in spirit, are members of it.

Them thar are your words - not saying they are wrong but they are not scripture from Hebrews.

At the same time, did you ever find a single scripture whereby GOD denotes, the body of Christ is divided???

YES = and it is the result of SIN = 1 Corinthians 1:10-13

Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Ce’s household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

And Christian Jews take one part of the body of Christ and Christian Gentiles take the other part???

YES = and it is the result of SIN = Galatians 2:11-16

Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.

But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews?
We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

 

[Stumpmaster]

By the way this is a good proof that there are 2 churches.

Hardly.
Eph 4:4-7 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; (5) one Lord, one faith, one baptism; (6) one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (7) But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ's gift.

 

[Fred J]

Nowhere does Paul say we are under covenant. He only says the covenants applied to Israel.

Ephesians 3:
5. Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto His holy Apostles and Prophets by the Spirit;
6. That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the Gospel:

Galatians 3:
28. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, there is neither bond nor free. there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29. And if ye be Christ's then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[Fred J]

Them thar are your words - not saying they are wrong but they are not scripture from Hebrews.

The same these are your words, for there's no scripture from Hebrews, but rather a letter written to the Hebrew church by an unknown author in the New Testament.

YES = and it is the result of SIN = 1 Corinthians 1:10-13

Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Ce’s household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?


YES = and it is the result of SIN = Galatians 2:11-16

Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.

But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews?
We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

It's not a result of sin but rather a result due to lack of knowledge of the New Testament and New Covenant of GOD.

For Apostle Paul have been sent by Christ to straighten these confusion and division by the extended version of the Gospel He'll expound further.

Just a few i've already posted, and also prior, in reply to Doug in 'bold letters'.

 

[Fred J]

Paul preached "Christ crucified".......that is "the Preaching of the Cross".

Didn't the 12 Apostles after the day of Pentecost, preach Christ crucified, died, and on the third day rose again for salvation??

Besides preaching to them, repentance and water baptism for the remission of sins??

Yes they did!

Paul did not preach repentance and water baptism, and the Kingdom of GOD, because they were already initially commissioned by Christ to the chosen 12 Apostles.

From the day of Pentecost and after, the 12 Apostles went to all nation and preached their given commission from Christ.

Paul only was chosen half way in the book of Acts, to preach Christ's extended knowledge to the Gospel pertaining to salvation of the Jews and Gentiles.

Since there were already confusion and division between the Jew and Gentile church, and believers themselves, where Apostle Peter tried to please 'both'.

Paul himself testified that Christ did not send him to baptize, nor need he preach repentance and water baptism either.

Nevertheless, he did water baptize a few, and furthermore. he did not debunk the preaching of repentance and the conduct of water baptism', neither the Kingdom of GOD.

Which apparently after Christ, were preached and conducted, and were taught to make disciples of all nations, by the 12 Apostles themselves, period

 

[Grailhunter]

[Numbers 15:30 KJV] 30 But the soul that doeth [ought] presumptuously, [whether he be] born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

There was no sacrifice offered for one of the congregation, or a stranger among them, to atone for willful sin.

Hebrews likewise does not offer a sacrifice for willful sinning...............[Heb 10:26 KJV] 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,.............under the new covenant there is no Levitical offering to atone for willful sin.

What we call the Book of Hebrews did not originally have a title and no one know who wrote it. The words Jew or Hebrew do not appear in the test.

The topic of Hebrews….It appears it was written to Jewish-Christians warning them not to revert to Jewish beliefs and Laws. As Paul said….doing so….means You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. Which mean you are in no man’s land, alienated from forgiveness and salvation.

The writer of Hebrews gives ample encouragement to believers, but there are five solemn warnings. There is the danger of neglect (Hebrews 2:1-4), the danger of unbelief (Hebrews 3:7–4:13), the danger of spiritual immaturity (Hebrews 5:11–6:20), the danger of failing to endure (Hebrews 10:26-39), and the inherent danger of refusing God (Hebrews 12:25-29).

 

[shepherdsword]

John wrote John 3:16, and you said this is "Jesus's Gospel".
Then you stated that Paul's Gospel is "Pauls".

So, what im showing you is that Jesus didnt preach Paul's Gospel when He was on earth, but John did., and that is why they are the "same Gospel".

Paul's Gospel is "Christ Crucified"........and to access this for Salvation you BELIEVE.
Jesus never preached this Gospel to the Jews during His earthly ministry, because He hadn't died on the Cross, during His ministry to them.

What I am showing you is that they are the same gospel. I will be patient and gently guide you.

 

[shepherdsword]

Paul preached "Christ crucified".......that is "the Preaching of the Cross".
Paul's Gospel is....."The Gospel of the GRACE of God", and that is not the preaching of the "Kingdom of Heaven."
The Kingdom Gospel will be found in the Trib, and its found as John the Baptist's preaching to the Jews, when John preached "repent, for the Kingdom of HEAVEN is at hand", and it was, as Jesus was on Earth.

You really need to study the scriptures. Paul preached the kingdom all through his letters. The kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God are the same thing. Matthew is the only one who used the term "kingdom of heaven."The other synoptic gospels used the term "kingdom of God" in every place that Matthew used "kingdom of heaven" thus proving they are the same thing.

Paul's teaching on the kingdom:

Ac 28:31
Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

Ro 14:17
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

1 Co 4:20
For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

1 Co 6:9-10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Co 15:24

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

1 Co 15:50

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Col 1:13

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Now these verses are only half of the places Paul preached the kingdom. It was part of his gospel

 

[David in NJ]

The same these are your words, for there's no scripture from Hebrews, but rather a letter written to the Hebrew church by an unknown author in the New Testament.

It's not a result of sin but rather a result due to lack of knowledge of the New Testament and New Covenant of GOD.

For Apostle Paul have been sent by Christ to straighten these confusion and division by the extended version of the Gospel He'll expound further.

Just a few i've already posted, and also prior, in reply to Doug in 'bold letters'.

for there's no scripture from Hebrews

YES there is contained in Hebrews = which is why i asked if you could find it

SHALOM and Good Morning

 

[Doug]

Its interesting, and not in a valid way.. that you titled JOHN's Gospel, = ""Jesus's Gospel"".....and Paul's Gospel as "" Pauls.""

The Reality is.....>John is preaching Paul's Gospel that is completely established by BELIEVING in Christ....without works and without water baptism.

= That's Paul's Gospel, of "FAITH in Christ" .."Justification by Faith"...>.. and John is preaching it.

You are right Paul preached our justification without works without having to go thru Israel without covenants
John 3:16 however is NOT preaching Paul's gospel. for a couple reasons. Paul's gospel was a mystery.......................[Eph 6:19 KJV] 19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,.....................the gospel Paul preached was a mystery hid in God until revealed to Paul. Often ignored is John 3:18,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,[Jhn 3:18 KJV] 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God...............John in verse 18 isnt preaching the cross for salvation but only faith in his name.

 

[Doug]

You are one deluded individual. You ignore clear scriptures that show Paul preached the kingdom. To preach the kingdom IS to preach the gospel.

There is a difference between preaching the KINGDOM OF GOD and the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM. The kingdom is all in heaven and earth................[1Ch 29:11 KJV] 11 Thine, O LORD, [is] the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all [that is] in the heaven and in the earth [is thine]; thine [is] the kingdom, O LORD, and thou art exalted as head above all.............as I said Acts doesnt record what Paul taught about it.

Why would Paul preach the gospel of the kingdom? God promised the Davidic kingdom to Israel and they rejected it. God was turning from the Jews to whom the kingdom was promised and turning to the Gentiles. Why would Paul preach this gospel to Gentiles who werent promised the kingdom.

 

[Doug]

They are both the same gospel. The names were given to show who made the statement...sheesh.

John 3:16 however is NOT preaching Paul's gospel. for a couple reasons. Paul's gospel was a mystery.......................[Eph 6:19 KJV] 19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,.....................the gospel Paul preached was a mystery hid in God until revealed to Paul. Often ignored is John 3:18,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,[Jhn 3:18 KJV] 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God...............John in verse 18 isnt preaching the cross for salvation but only faith in his name.

 

[Behold]

Nevertheless, he did water baptize a few, and furthermore. he did not debunk the preaching of repentance and the conduct of water baptism', neither the Kingdom of GOD.

Paul's Gospel is "the Gospel of the Grace of God".

"Faith is counted by God as righteousness".

So, There is no water in it, and no works involved.

So, any gospel that puts those in it........is not "Paul's Gospel"......so, that means those gospels are : Galatians 1:8

 

[Behold]

What I am showing you is that they are the same gospel. I will be patient and gently guide you.

John the Baptist preached the Gospel of the Kingdom, and Paul's Gospel is "The Gospel of the Grace of God".

Paul stated that his Gospel is 'MY Gospel"..... He said this 3x and his Gospel is..

"Faith is counted by God as Righteousness".

There is nothing about "the Kingdom" found there.

Any other Gospel other then "Christ Crucified". "The Preachig of the Cross" that is "Justification by Faith"... as "Our Faith is counted by God as Righteousness" .......is Galatians 1:8