WHAT IS MEANT IN HEBREWS SAYING THERE IS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS?

[shepherdsword]

There is a difference between preaching the KINGDOM OF GOD and the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM.

The gospel is the Kingdom. The Kingdom is the gospel

 

[shepherdsword]

The argument was that the gospel Peter and the apostles preached was only to believe on the name of Jesus. For eternal life they had to believe he was the Christ, the Son of God. I said nothing about Gentiles unable to be saved. Gentiles were saved by Peter's preaching in Acts 10

The distinction you are making is nonsensical. This is what Jesus said. The Jews got eternal life by believing just as the gentiles did:

Jn 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever(as in jew or gentile) believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[shepherdsword]

You are harping on Gentiles.....once again Gentiles could be saved as well as seen in Acts 10.
The point is Peter's gospel was to believe on his name THAT'S ALL THEY HAD TO BELIEVE. Thats not Paul's gospel.

This is utter nonsense. Please study the scriptures:

Jn 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever(as in Jew or Gentile) believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[shepherdsword]

What you posted as a verse is not the Gospel......its a partial explanation of the KOG.

Also..

Paul's Gospel is the same as what God gave to Abraham. = "Abraham believed God and (his faith) was counted unto him as Righteousness"

You can't separate the kingdom from the gospel. You can't have one without the other.

 

[complete]

Paul preached the heavenly kingdom..................[2Ti 4:18 KJV] 18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve [me] unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom [be] glory for ever and ever. Amen.

I will say that the kingdom of God is used to describe the Davidic earthly kingdom.. Matthew calls it the kingdom of heaven. It can be seen they are the same......................[Mat 4:17 KJV] 17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
[Mar 1:15 KJV] 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Paul, however, did not preach the kingdom of God as being the Davidic kingdom. Here is how preached the kingdom of God in this verse.................[Act 28:23 KJV] 23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into [his] lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and [out of] the prophets, from morning till evening.....................Paul was preaching the kingdom of God as persuading them concerning Jesus Christ not the earthly kingdom

14) ... ... ... I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue,
Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou Me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
15) And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And He said, I am Jesus Whom thou persecutest.
16) But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose,
to make thee a minister and a witness (1) both of these things which thou hast seen,
(2) and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
17) Delivering thee from the people (of Israel), and from the Gentiles,
unto whom now I send thee,
18) To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God,
that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in Me.
19) Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20) But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem,
and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles,
that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
21) For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.
22) Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great,
saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
23) That Christ should suffer, and that He should be the first that should rise from the dead,
and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
(Acts 26:14-23)

Hello @Doug,

The passage of scripture quoted above, tells us in Paul's own words. what the gospel message he had preached up until his imprisonment consisted of. What he also taught within the believing communities during that period, can be seen in the epistles written during that time, (Thessalonians (1 & 2), Corinthians (1 & 2) Galatians, Hebrews and the epistle to the Romans):-

'The Gospel of the Kingdom of God',​

'The Gospel of God', ​

'The Gospel of The Glory of Christ'.​

* The Gospel of the Kingdom and Other Gospels - 'Appendix to the Companion Bible' (App. 140)
('The Gospel of The Kingdom and Other Gospels.')

* His subsequent epistles written while in prison, have, 'The Gospel of The Grace of God,' for their subject (Acts 20:24), and also reveal, 'The Mystery,' which God had made known to Paul alone, as the steward of a new dispensation (Eph. 3:1) containing 'the unsearchable riches of Christ' (Eph.3:8-9) which God desired to have made known (Col.1:27) 'To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory'.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[GodsGrace]

The Abrahamic covenant was that all nations would be blessed. This is found in this verse.....................[Gal 3:8 KJV] 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed...............God would justify the heathen by faith in Christ. It will also be fulfilled in the earthly kingdom where the nations will be blessed by believing Israel.

The new covenant is made only with Israel....................[Jer 31:31 KJV] 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

So YOU are not part of the New Covenant?


What did Jesus mean here:

John 10:15-16
15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

Jesus said He had other sheep to whom He must attend and bring into the fold.



Romans 1:15-16
15 So, for my part, I am eager to preach the gospel to you also who are in Rome.
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.


Paul preached the gospel to the Gentiles so that they too would become part of the Body of Christ.




§Ephesians 2:11-14
11 Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called " Uncircumcision" by the so-called "Circumcision," which is performed in the flesh by human hands -
12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,

Jesus made two groups into one.

The New Covenant was foreseen in the Old.
The Law has indeed been placed in the heart.

Titus 2:11
11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,


How would you explain these verses?

 

[shepherdsword]

John the Baptist preached the Gospel of the Kingdom,

So did Paul as I have proven with scripture

and Paul's Gospel is "The Gospel of the Grace of God".

That is the only gospel. It is the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of salvation. Paul preached the kingdom of God.

Paul stated that his Gospel is 'MY Gospel"..... He said this 3x and his Gospel is..

"Faith is counted by God as Righteousness".

There is nothing about "the Kingdom" found there.

Any other Gospel other then "Christ Crucified". "The Preachig of the Cross" that is "Justification by Faith"... as "Our Faith is counted by God as Righteousness" .......is Galatians 1:8

It wasn't Paul who died for our sins. When he said "My Gospel" he was just saying that the gospel was so precious he forsook all. He wasn't stating he had a different gospel that the other apostles. In fact, he went to Jerusalem and calibrated his teaching with the other apostles.

 

[David in NJ]

Israel has temporarily fallen so it cant be said we have to go thru Israel..............[Rom 11:12 KJV] 12 Now if the fall of them [be] the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?.

Jews and Israel of the flesh are DEAD in trespasses, sin and iniquity!!!

Jerusalem/Israell that is Above is where everyone who is SAVED is Born From = Gospel of John chapters 1 thru 4

@Doug, did you read the apostle Paul declaring the one Name that saves us in Philippians ch2 ???

By sheer coincidence(lol x100) the apostle Peter also preached that One Name for Salvation = Acts ch4

 

[Doug]

John 3:16 is Paul's teaching in 1 Corin 15:3

Does it say that? You are reading what you know from Paul into this verse

 

[Doug]

Notice that John 3:16, says that "God GAVE His Son".

A.) God gave His Son TO THE CROSS, for our sins..

Does it say that? Again you are reading into what is not there

God could have given Christ to believed upon by Israel without the cross

 

[Doug]

Wrong again @Doug


Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
that at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
and that every tongue should confess that (Name) Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father

Thats not the only verse that deals with his name. You have to consider all the other verses that say that they had salvation by faith in his name, such as this one..........[Jhn 20:31 KJV] 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

 

[amigo de christo]

Just got here and I should be writing to @Doug, I guess.

He might mean that there are two TYPES of church....
one made of brick and mortar...the one we attend on Sunday.
It's a building known as a church.

Then there is the one you mention which is the Body of Christ.
In THIS sense, which I think to be the topic of this thread (not sure)
then I'd have to say that, yes, there is only one church and that is the Body of Christ to whom all
believers belong.

Jesus has one body...not two.

Yes indeed JESUS only has one BODY
and that BODY first consisted of the apostels
upon whom PAUL was later added in my friend .
In other words DONT you ever dare once heed this men
that try and act like pauls g ospel was somehow in any way different than was peters .
These are the blind that lead the blind .
Allow me to sum it up real short like .
The very gospel that peter and the church first preached
that paul attacked as a pharisee
WOULD on the road to damascus BE REVEALED TO PAUL BY JESUS .
ITS THE SAME GOSPEL .
and while we are at it , DONT never buy into the line , OH this le tter apllied to jews only or etc .
NO sirs and no mams . TRUTH is for sheep and all them le tters of every last apostle
IS T RU TH and IS for the CHURCH which is ALL WHO BLEIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .

 

[Doug]

Some misunderstanding here.
What does a translation have to do with this?
Are you saying that a translation could change the MEANING of any given verse?

I just noticed in your verses the difference and wanted to point it out. Why would the translators change the gospel of the kingdom to just the gospel of God which is non-specific.

 

[Doug]

I hope you mean by believing the gospel HOWEVER it was known to mankind.

Or the following would make no sense:

Romans 1:19-20
19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

By believing his word which would include the gospel

 

[amigo de christo]

I just noticed in your verses the difference and wanted to point it out. Why would the translators change the gospel of the kingdom to just the gospel of God which is non-specific.

Because the gospel of the Kingdom IS the gospel of GOD , as is the kingdom of heaven the same as the phrase kingdom of GOD .
ITS MEN that duped us . Just like they did you my friend .
You all keep trying to build doctrines that simply are not TRUTH .
I seen what many men have done.
Just like those who preach the two g ospels , two kingdom stuff .
Just like some try and pit differences between
the bride of Christ and the body of Christ . SORRY BUD but they are THE SAME THING TOO .
MEN DID T HIS . i am only sorry t hat so many seem to sit under such men .

 

[amigo de christo]

I just noticed in your verses the difference and wanted to point it out. Why would the translators change the gospel of the kingdom to just the gospel of God which is non-specific.

The gospel of the KINGDOM of ......................GOD .
talk about pitting and mincing words , that seems to be all that most do these days .
THE KINGDOM of heaven , the KINGDOM of GOD , we got some even teaching either t here is a difference
or one is not right .
HELLO AGAIN
THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN . learning yet .
THE BODY OF CHRIST IS THE BRIDE OF CHRIST , learning yet .
ITS JUST different phrases used to describe the same th ing . talk about not learning the scrips .

 

[amigo de christo]

By believing his word which would include the gospel

His word WHICH IS THE GOSPEL .
Which the people who loved HIM
would not twist or omit H IS WORDS either .

 

[Doug]

The distinction you are making is nonsensical. This is what Jesus said. The Jews got eternal life by believing just as the gentiles did:

Jn 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever(as in jew or gentile) believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

ok

 

[amigo de christo]

Jews and Israel of the flesh are DEAD in trespasses, sin and iniquity!!!

Jerusalem/Isarel that is Above is where everyone who is SAVED is Born From = Gospel of John chapters 1 thru 4

@Doug, did you read the apostle Paul declaring the one Name that saves us in Philippians ch2 ???

By sheer coincidence(lol x100) the apostle Peter also preached that One Name for Salvation = Acts ch4

Trench time david .

 

[GodsGrace]

By believing his word which would include the gospel

Your statement is very definite now.
So are you saying that if a person never hears the gospel message they cannot be saved?