Revelation 20: 5&6

[Fred J]

1 Thessalonians 4:
15. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep (in their grave).
16. For the Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Revelation 20:
6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the 'first resurrection': on such the 'second death' hath no power, but they shall be priests of GOD and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

The above is a future event to take place after the Great Tribulation, just after anti-Christ and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire.

And likewise after satan will be bound in the bottomless pit for a thousand years.

Revelation 20:
4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgement was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of GOD, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

In the future 'first resurrection' or 'rapture', Apostle John saw, among others resurrected in Heaven, souls of them persecuted during the reign of anti-Christ and time of the Great Tribulation.

They are mentioned of present in Heaven, after anti-Christ and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire burning with brimestone, and satan bound into the bottomless pit.

Therefore the 'first resurrection' or 'rapture' takes place after the Great Tribulation

Revelation 7:
14. And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

(There's only one Great Tribulation besides tribulations mentioned in the New Testament, and these are the martyres who came out of it. Apparently their white robes of righteousness have been stained with blood persecuted to death, and only in the blood of the Lamb it has been made white again.)

15. Therefore are they before the Throne of GOD, and serve HIM day and night in HIS Temple: and He that sitteth on the Throne shall dwell among them.

 

[Fred J]

Revelation 20:
4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgement was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of GOD, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

In the future 'first resurrection' or 'rapture', Apostle John saw, among others resurrected in Heaven, souls of them persecuted during the reign of anti-Christ and time of the Great Tribulation.

They are mentioned of present in Heaven, after anti-Christ and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire burning with brimestone, and satan bound into the bottomless pit.

Therefore the 'first resurrection' or 'rapture' takes place after the Great Tribulation

Revelation 7:
14. And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

(There's only one Great Tribulation besides tribulations mentioned in the New Testament, and these are the martyres who came out of it. Apparently their white robes of righteousness have been stained with blood persecuted to death, and only in the blood of the Lamb it has been made white again.)

15. Therefore are they before the Throne of GOD, and serve HIM day and night in HIS Temple: and He that sitteth on the Throne shall dwell among them.

Revelation 20:
5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

(After the first resurrection, there's no resurrection of the dead until the thousand years is over. Therefore there's a second resurrection of the dead after the thousand years is over.)

6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of GOD and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Hence, second death (to hell) have no power over all those who made it at the first resurrection because they were only the just church, the body of Christ. But looks like second death have power over those who resurrect on the second resurrection for the final judgement of the just and unjust.

Acts 24:
15. And have hope toward GOD, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

John 5:
27. And hath given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of man.
28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Here second death have power over those who take part in the second resurrection unto the resurrection of damnation, and not over those unto the resurrection of life.

Matthew 25:
31. When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the Throne of His Glory.
32. And before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth His sheep from the goats:

Read more..........

 

[Davy]

Fits pretrib rapture.

Does not.

I agree 100% he brings the dead saints with him in 1 these 4.

Who/what enters the bodies of clay when resurrected?
It is their spirits that went on to heaven at death.
Their BODIES are in the grave.
The SPIRIT of the dead saints in heaven, with Jesus, joins their resurrected bodies.

That idea of our flesh bodies being raised is a doctrine of men, not written. To believe that is to totally BYPASS what Apostle Paul taught about the resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15.

1 Cor 15:48-50
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV

In 2 Corinthians 5, Apostle Paul taught that we ALREADY HAVE that other body, the "image of the heavenly", so that IF our flesh were suddenly dissolved, we still have that other body not made with hands, but eternal in the heavens from God. It's a spirit body, what Paul called the "spiritual body". THAT... is the future glorious body of the resurrection, NOT ANOTHER FLESH BODY.

Both Apostles Paul and Peter showed that Lord Jesus' flesh body was indeed raised from the dead, but was at some point transfigured to a "quickening spirit".

 

[Fred J]

Both Apostles Paul and Peter showed that Lord Jesus' flesh body was indeed raised from the dead, but was at some point transfigured to a "quickening spirit".

1 Corinthians 15:
45. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

He is already made a quickening spirit in the flesh from the beginning, the Word was made flesh, the second Adam on earth, therefore why He need to be transfigured even after death?

But rather He is the quickening spirit in that body able to transfigure Himsefl whether when He is alive or when He is risen after death.

While other times, alive or risen after death, He was just a man in the flesh and did what a normal man does, and Timothy touched and felt the wounds.

He is the risen same quickening spirit in the same body He kept incoruptible that also together ascended to Heaven.

 

[Davy]

1 Corinthians 15:
45. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

He is already made a quickening spirit in the flesh from the beginning, the Word was made flesh, the second Adam on earth, therefore why He need to be transfigured even after death?

That 1 Cor.15:45 verse is in relation to Christ's resurrection, NOT the prior state of His Spirit before He was born through woman's womb. Paul is showing there the 'final' state for ALL born in the flesh, that of the "spiritual body" he preached in that 1 Cor.15 Chapter. Jesus is the pattern for that final body state, a quickening spirit.

 

[Fred J]

That 1 Cor.15:45 verse is in relation to Christ's resurrection, NOT the prior state of His Spirit before He was born through woman's womb. Paul is showing there the 'final' state for ALL born in the flesh, that of the "spiritual body" he preached in that 1 Cor.15 Chapter. Jesus is the pattern for that final body state, a quickening spirit.

No, no, no, read the verses, that by birth Jesus was made a quickening spirit in the flesh.

And not in reverse, the flesh after death and resurrection was made a quickening spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:
45. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul (by creation); the last Adam was made a quickening spirit (by birth).

John 1:
4. In Him was life; and the life was the light of men.
9. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10. He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not.
11. He came unto His own, and His own received Him not.
14. And the Word (spirit) was made flesh (quickening spirit by birth)

Not after death!

What an infinite comparison between the Son of GOD became flesh and the son of man of Adam by birth is flesh??

Men from Adam born mortal and saved by grace to resurrect immortal, who'll receive a change of Heavenly body, since mortal flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of GOD.

Jesus from GOD born immortal all the way, died and resurrect in the same immortal body and ascended the same to Heaven.

 

[Davy]

No, no, no, read the verses, that by birth Jesus was made a quickening spirit in the flesh.

That above idea is not Biblical.

Our 'spirit' part is a separate operation from our flesh. Even Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 showed this simply early in God's written Word.

Eccl 12:5-7
5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:

6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
KJV

The above Bible Scripture reveals there is a "silver cord" that is loosed, or severed, at flesh death, and then the two separate parts, the flesh returns to one place (earth), but the spirit part returns to God in the heavenly dimension. And per John 4:24 "God is a Spirit", meaning He is NOT made up of flesh material matter. Nothing... in the heavenly dimension is made of earthly material matter, and that is what you do not understand, yet.

Apostle Peter said in 1 Peter 4 that The Gospel was preached also to the 'dead', i.e., the "spirits in prison" of 1 Peter 3 that Lord Jesus preached The Gospel to at His resurrection. Peter said The Gospel was preached to those dead also so they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. They are in the heavenly dimension now in their spirit bodies. And those who believed on Jesus when He preached to them were led out of that prison house, which was prophecy for Lord Jesus' 1st coming per Isaiah 42:6-7.

In 1 Corinthians 15, Apostle Paul is declaring the existence of TWO separate dimensions of existence, one is this earthly dimension we live in which is made up of material matter, and the other is the heavenly dimension where GOD and the angels dwell, which is made up of SPIRIT. Thus our spirit dwells inside our flesh body via connection by the "silver cord", our flesh body serving only as a shell for our spirit and soul.

 

[Davy]

And not in reverse, the flesh after death and resurrection was made a quickening spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:
45. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul (by creation); the last Adam was made a quickening spirit (by birth).

By that verse Paul stated about that "last Adam was made a quickening spirit" is pointing to Christ's RESURRECTION BODY TYPE.

The whole 1 Corinthians 15 Chapter is Apostle Paul covering the future resurrection and with what TYPE of body it will come. And that body type Paul taught is the "spiritual body".

Here is another Bible proof that Lord Jesus' flesh body was 'quickened' (transfigured) to a spirit body at some point after His resurrection...

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
KJV

 

[Fred J]

That above idea is not Biblical.

Our 'spirit' part is a separate operation from our flesh. Even Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 showed this simply early in God's written Word.

Eccl 12:5-7
5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:

6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
KJV

The above Bible Scripture reveals there is a "silver cord" that is loosed, or severed, at flesh death, and then the two separate parts, the flesh returns to one place (earth), but the spirit part returns to God in the heavenly dimension. And per John 4:24 "God is a Spirit", meaning He is NOT made up of flesh material matter. Nothing... in the heavenly dimension is made of earthly material matter, and that is what you do not understand, yet.

Apostle Peter said in 1 Peter 4 that The Gospel was preached also to the 'dead', i.e., the "spirits in prison" of 1 Peter 3 that Lord Jesus preached The Gospel to at His resurrection. Peter said The Gospel was preached to those dead also so they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. They are in the heavenly dimension now in their spirit bodies. And those who believed on Jesus when He preached to them were led out of that prison house, which was prophecy for Lord Jesus' 1st coming per Isaiah 42:6-7.

In 1 Corinthians 15, Apostle Paul is declaring the existence of TWO separate dimensions of existence, one is this earthly dimension we live in which is made up of material matter, and the other is the heavenly dimension where GOD and the angels dwell, which is made up of SPIRIT. Thus our spirit dwells inside our flesh body via connection by the "silver cord", our flesh body serving only as a shell for our spirit and soul.

Friend, you taking about Adam who was made a living soul and his kind who are 'mortal' and 'corruptible'.

They die in sin, their 'mortal body' decays and death can hold them in sheol to no point of return.

But on the contrary Jesus was made a quickening spirit and 'immortal' and 'incorruptible'.

He's sinless, His body unblemished, never die and His body never decays, and death could not hold in sheol.

And He only died for the sins of the world as a living sacrifice, and He returned in the same immortal body alive.

Moreover unlike us born again church, we too die and our body too decays, because flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of GOD.

But death cannot hold us in sheol, since sin has lost it's power and death has lost it's sting, hence when we resurrect we'll be 'changed' to the Heavenly body before ascending.

Read carefully the contrast between them and not go on a different direction that's not tangible and fruitless.

1 Corinthians 15:
46. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual
47. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from Heaven.

We're talking about 'spiritual' and 'the Lord from Heaven', 'who's the Word in the beginning with GOD', and 'in these last days became flesh to take away the sins of the world'.

In contrast to, 'natural' and 'Adam of the earth', 'a living soul in the beginning with GOD', and 'in these last days was saved from sin and death'.

The scripture is very clear about the 'first Adam a living soul made in the image of GOD by creation on earth in the beginning'.

And, 'second Adam a quickening spirit the image of GOD and the Lord from Heaven by birth on earth in the beginning'

It's false for you testify that Jesus became a quickening spirit after His resurrection.

 

[Davy]

Friend, you taking about Adam who was made a living soul and his kind who are 'mortal' and 'corruptible'.

They die in sin, their 'mortal body' decays and death can hold them in sheol to no point of return.

But on the contrary Jesus was made a quickening spirit and 'immortal' and 'incorruptible'.

He's sinless, His body unblemished, never die and His body never decays, and death could not hold in sheol.

And He only died for the sins of the world as a living sacrifice, and He returned in the same immortal body alive.

Moreover unlike us born again church, we too die and our body too decays, because flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of GOD.

But death cannot hold us in sheol, since sin has lost it's power and death has lost it's sting, hence when we resurrect we'll be 'changed' to the Heavenly body before ascending.

Read carefully the contrast between them and not go on a different direction that's not tangible and fruitless.

1 Corinthians 15:
46. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual
47. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from Heaven.

We're talking about 'spiritual' and 'the Lord from Heaven', 'who's the Word in the beginning with GOD', and 'in these last days became flesh to take away the sins of the world'.

In contrast to, 'natural' and 'Adam of the earth', 'a living soul in the beginning with GOD', and 'in these last days was saved from sin and death'.

The scripture is very clear about the 'first Adam a living soul made in the image of GOD by creation on earth in the beginning'.

And, 'second Adam a quickening spirit the image of GOD and the Lord from Heaven by birth on earth in the beginning'

It's false for you testify that Jesus became a quickening spirit after His resurrection.

You STILL do not understand the simplicity of the Bible Scriptures I have shown you.

The idea of Genesis 2:7 about a 'living soul' is about God placing Adam's spirit with soul into an earthly flesh material body. It is NOT about Adam's spirit and soul being material matter.

So it is amazing that since we are here on earth IN MATERIAL FLESH BODIES, that you cannot grasp that our 'spirit' and 'soul' parts ARE NOT MATERIAL FLESH, but are of the realm of SPIRIT. There do exist TWO different worlds per God's Word ya know, this earthly material world, and the other world made up of SPIRIT.

1 Cor 15:48-50
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV

You can play around with men's doctrines which cannot understand the above, and you'll get nowhere closer to God's Truth about this per His Word.

 

[Fred J]

You STILL do not understand the simplicity of the Bible Scriptures I have shown you.

The idea of Genesis 2:7 about a 'living soul' is about God placing Adam's spirit with soul into an earthly flesh material body. It is NOT about Adam's spirit and soul being material matter.

So it is amazing that since we are here on earth IN MATERIAL FLESH BODIES, that you cannot grasp that our 'spirit' and 'soul' parts ARE NOT MATERIAL FLESH, but are of the realm of SPIRIT. There do exist TWO different worlds per God's Word ya know, this earthly material world, and the other world made up of SPIRIT.

1 Cor 15:48-50
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV

You can play around with men's doctrines which cannot understand the above, and you'll get nowhere closer to God's Truth about this per His Word.

Ha, ha, ha, suite yourself, you and your carnality, mortality and earthy explanation with verses ministry.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Does not.



That idea of our flesh bodies being raised is a doctrine of men, not written. To believe that is to totally BYPASS what Apostle Paul taught about the resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15.

1 Cor 15:48-50
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV

In 2 Corinthians 5, Apostle Paul taught that we ALREADY HAVE that other body, the "image of the heavenly", so that IF our flesh were suddenly dissolved, we still have that other body not made with hands, but eternal in the heavens from God. It's a spirit body, what Paul called the "spiritual body". THAT... is the future glorious body of the resurrection, NOT ANOTHER FLESH BODY.

Both Apostles Paul and Peter showed that Lord Jesus' flesh body was indeed raised from the dead, but was at some point transfigured to a "quickening spirit".

If you have a problem with the flesh body raised, then what will you do with the God man Jesus BODILY RESURRECTION and the empty tomb.?
PSSST....Jesus is the firstfruits OF THE RESURRECTION.

You doctrine has taken you into foolish reasoning

 

[Davy]

If you have a problem with the flesh body raised, then what will you do with the God man Jesus BODILY RESURRECTION and the empty tomb.?
PSSST....Jesus is the firstfruits OF THE RESURRECTION.

You doctrine has taken you into foolish reasoning

You need to heed The Bible, and not man's 'dead in the ground' opinions.

Here is Apostle Paul... and I have no further need to give you any other Bible Scripture as proof of what I've been declaring from God's Word as written...

2 Cor 5:1-9
5 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

Paul uses that "earthly house of this tabernacle" as a symbol for our FLESH BODY. A tabernacle is something dwelt in, like a house. I will use the term 'flesh body' when speaking of that earthly house.

IF... the FLESH BODY were suddenly "dissolved" Paul says, ...

... we still... have, PRESENT TENSE, "a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens." That is about the "spiritual body" Paul taught for the resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15. This is Paul speaking in his 2nd Epistle to the Corinthians, so they should have already understood about the "spiritual body" he covered to them in his 1st Epistle to the Corinthians.

That "spiritual body" is a heavenly type body, NOT an earthly flesh body. That is what that expression, "an house not made with hands..." means, that it is NOT a type body made up of material earthly matter.

And... Paul shows above with that spirit body being "eternal in the heavens" that it can only be destroyed by God Himself. No man can kill it. This also is what Lord Jesus taught about the 'soul' in Matthew 10:28, that we are not to fear those who can kill our flesh body, but not our soul. It is because the 'soul' like our 'spirit' is a heavenly object, not an earthly material matter object.

2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

For in what... do we groan? In our flesh house our spirit with soul groans. It's because our spirit body with soul wants to be manifested in the heavenly where it originated from, from God, from heaven.

3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

There Paul uses the symbol of nakedness for not having the future garments in Christ Jesus. It represents those who will appear in shame at Christ's coming, like Jesus' warning to the Church in Rev.16:15.

4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

The above Paul points back to the idea he covered in his 1st Epistle to the Corinthians, about death being swallowed up in victory, which involves the future change to the "spiritual body" on the "last trump". Paul is still talking about Christ's Salvation involving that "spiritual body", and not a new flesh body.

5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

To what part that God created us with is that Spirit given to? Is it our flesh that receives it? God forbid, NO! It is our 'spirit' that receives The Holy Spirit. It is NOT our flesh that is "born again", but our 'spirit' being "born again" by The Holy Spirit by Faith on Jesus Christ. And as I said before, the actual meaning of "born again" of John 3 per the Greek is 'born from above'. Born from above where? From the heavenly, by The Holy Spirit, which is a heavenly dimension working upon our spirit that dwells inside our flesh shell.

6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

Just because here in the flesh we cannot see with our flesh eyes those in Christ who have died that are with Jesus now in the heavenly does not mean it is not so.

8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of Him.
KJV

If we are still alive on earth in a flesh body, then we are literally absent from The Lord Who is in heaven. But we (our spirit with soul which GROANS inside our flesh wanting to be released), desire instead to be absent from this flesh body, and be present with The Lord.

 

[Davy]

In short with what Apostle Paul taught in 2 Corinthians 5, we at present have TWO bodies that God created each person with...

1. flesh body - earthly house or tabernacle
2. spirit body - heavenly house or tabernacle, also called the "spiritual body" in 1 Cor.15.

If our flesh house were suddenly dissolved, like a soldier's flesh body destroyed by a bomb in combat, the soldier's spirit body or house then immediately manifests in the heavenly, because it is a heavenly type body.


One could thus also say... that whether here on earth or present with The Lord in the heavenly, the soul MUST have a vehicle to get around in. Therefore...

1. flesh body = earthly vehicle for one's spirit with soul.
2. spirit body = heavenly vehicle for one's soul.

 

[rebuilder 454]

In short with what Apostle Paul taught in 2 Corinthians 5, we at present have TWO bodies that God created each person with...

1. flesh body - earthly house or tabernacle
2. spirit body - heavenly house or tabernacle, also called the "spiritual body" in 1 Cor.15.

If our flesh house were suddenly dissolved, like a soldier's flesh body destroyed by a bomb in combat, the soldier's spirit body or house then immediately manifests in the heavenly, because it is a heavenly type body.


One could thus also say... that whether here on earth or present with The Lord in the heavenly, the soul MUST have a vehicle to get around in. Therefore...

1. flesh body = earthly vehicle for one's spirit with soul.
2. spirit body = heavenly vehicle for one's soul.

Lol
At the last resurrection at the GWTJ, IT SAYS: "the sea gave up her dead"

Stop acting like you alone have "truth" while guessing at the resurrection.

 

[Mark51]

5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of GOD and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Dear readers,

The scripture reads, 'first resurrection', and not, 'the resurrection', could it be there's a 'second resurrection' after the 'thousand years'?

Also it reads, 'But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished'.

In other words, there's no resurrection of the dead until the thousand years were finished?

We know the second coming of Jesus will be until the clouds, where the dead in Christ shall rise and the living, both will be changed, and taken up to meet Him in the clouds.

Therefore this is the 'first resurrection' which takes place after the Great Tribulation, where the church saints came out of it persecuted dead or alive.

Then His third coming with His angels on earth to confront the beast and kings of the earth, and their armies, who'll wage war.

Furthermore it reads, 'Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such second death hath no power'.

Looks like not all who are in Christ hath part in the first resurrection, as also relating to the parable, 'one will be taken while the other left behind' and the 'ten virgins'.

So the church left behind will face a thousand years, hence the second death hath power over them?

Thank you and shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

The first resurrection refers to the 144,000 Anointed with a heavenly reward. The second resurrection refers to the non- anointed with an earthly reward.

“The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended” is not referring to the literal dead. It is refereeing to the spiritually dead.

The expression “come to life” has to be understood according to context. This expression can have varying meanings in varying circumstances. For example, Paul said of his anointed fellow Christians: “It is you God made alive though you were dead in your trespasses and sins.” (Ephesians 2:1) Yes, spirit-anointed Christians were “made alive,” even in the first century, being declared righteous on the basis of their faith in Jesus’ sacrifice.-Romans 3:23, 24.

Similarly, pre-Christian were declared righteous as to friendship with God; and Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were spoken of as “living” even though they were physically dead. (Matthew 22:31, 32; James 2:21, 23) However, they and all others who are resurrected, as well as the great crowd of faithful other sheep who survive Armageddon and any children that may be born to these in the new world, must yet be raised to human perfection. This will be accomplished by Christ and his associate kings and priests during the thousand-year Judgment Day, on the basis of Jesus’ ransom sacrifice. By the end of that Day, “the rest of the dead” will have “come to life” in the sense that they will be perfect humans free from all effects of Adamic sin. Notice that the reference to this in verse 5 occurs immediately after the preceding verse says that those who will be in heaven “came to life.” In their case it means life free from all effects of sin; they are even specially favored with immortality.-1 Corinthians 15:54.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

We know the second coming of Jesus will be until the clouds, where the dead in Christ shall rise and the living, both will be changed, and taken up to meet Him in the clouds.

This is not the second coming of Jesus. He does not return to earth at the rapture, just descends in to what we assume is the atmosphere.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The first resurrection refers to the 144,000 Anointed with a heavenly reward. The second resurrection refers to the non- anointed with an earthly reward.

“The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended” is not referring to the literal dead. It is refereeing to the spiritually dead.

The expression “come to life” has to be understood according to context. This expression can have varying meanings in varying circumstances. For example, Paul said of his anointed fellow Christians: “It is you God made alive though you were dead in your trespasses and sins.” (Ephesians 2:1) Yes, spirit-anointed Christians were “made alive,” even in the first century, being declared righteous on the basis of their faith in Jesus’ sacrifice.-Romans 3:23, 24.

Similarly, pre-Christian were declared righteous as to friendship with God; and Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were spoken of as “living” even though they were physically dead. (Matthew 22:31, 32; James 2:21, 23) However, they and all others who are resurrected, as well as the great crowd of faithful other sheep who survive Armageddon and any children that may be born to these in the new world, must yet be raised to human perfection. This will be accomplished by Christ and his associate kings and priests during the thousand-year Judgment Day, on the basis of Jesus’ ransom sacrifice. By the end of that Day, “the rest of the dead” will have “come to life” in the sense that they will be perfect humans free from all effects of Adamic sin. Notice that the reference to this in verse 5 occurs immediately after the preceding verse says that those who will be in heaven “came to life.” In their case it means life free from all effects of sin; they are even specially favored with immortality.-1 Corinthians 15:54.

We need to start from somewhere beside the niv corrupt bible.
It DOES NOT SAY " CAME TO LIFE" in the Greek or the KJV.

Look up what it does say ( in the greek..or KJV)

THEN...understand that the 1st resurrection is framed BY THE BIBLE as a harvest.
Jesus the firstfruits, along with those resurrected at his resurrection.
THEN comes MAINHARVEST.
THE RAPTURE PRETRIB.
Then comes the other parts of harvest.

REV 14 is the Jewish harvest of Romans 9-11.
BTW, The 144k are FIRSTFRUITS...they are not and can not be Jesus or the Gentile bride of Ruth.
So there is another Thing to factor in.
With so many omission, truth will never be obtained.
Ruth and Naomi.....the hidden key to end times
You can search these threads and NEVER see ANYONE that frames end times in heavens prism....( the 2 wives and their role, and destiny of God).
Esther included as is Gomer.
Game changer. The actual heart of end times 99% omitted.
Hence about 90% of members have no clue as to the 10 virgin parable. ( the most explicit depiction of a pretrib rapture)...virtually a pretrib rapture billboard in their front yard that is either ignored or defaced.


Flat out bizarre.

If all that is omitted, you are GUARANTEED ERROR.

 

[Fred J]

The first resurrection refers to the 144,000 Anointed with a heavenly reward. The second resurrection refers to the non- anointed with an earthly reward.

“The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended” is not referring to the literal dead. It is refereeing to the spiritually dead.

The expression “come to life” has to be understood according to context. This expression can have varying meanings in varying circumstances. For example, Paul said of his anointed fellow Christians: “It is you God made alive though you were dead in your trespasses and sins.” (Ephesians 2:1) Yes, spirit-anointed Christians were “made alive,” even in the first century, being declared righteous on the basis of their faith in Jesus’ sacrifice.-Romans 3:23, 24.

Similarly, pre-Christian were declared righteous as to friendship with God; and Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were spoken of as “living” even though they were physically dead. (Matthew 22:31, 32; James 2:21, 23) However, they and all others who are resurrected, as well as the great crowd of faithful other sheep who survive Armageddon and any children that may be born to these in the new world, must yet be raised to human perfection. This will be accomplished by Christ and his associate kings and priests during the thousand-year Judgment Day, on the basis of Jesus’ ransom sacrifice. By the end of that Day, “the rest of the dead” will have “come to life” in the sense that they will be perfect humans free from all effects of Adamic sin. Notice that the reference to this in verse 5 occurs immediately after the preceding verse says that those who will be in heaven “came to life.” In their case it means life free from all effects of sin; they are even specially favored with immortality.-1 Corinthians 15:54.

Readers,

Christ is the 'firstfruit' of resurrection of 'firstborn' from the dead, meaning, there has been no resurrection of or from the dead since Adam and Eve.

After Christ the 'firstfruit' or 'firstborn', there has been no resurrection of the dead until the 'first resurrection' we read in Revelation 20:5.

Only the dead in Christ shall rise, meaning the Body of Christ the church, who've died for their faith even during the Great Tribulation, and asleep in their graves awaiting.

Then the Body of Christ the church that are living and have come out the Great Tribulation, together both will be changed taking on the Heavenly body before ascension.

Next they together will ascend to meet the Lord in the clouds, and taken to Heaven, given white robes and are told to rest until their 'fellowservants' make it at the 'second resurrection.

'Second resurrection', where there'll be those who 'resurrect unto life' and those who 'resurrect unto damnation' in the 'Final Judgement' of Christ.

Apparently this is the 'second resurrection' of the dead in Christ and final judgement after the 'thousand years' is over.

Christ separates between the sheep, good and faithful servants who resurrect unto life and goats, workers of iniquity and lawless servants who resurrect unto damnation.

We don't see why Christ waste time in judging the world, when initially they're dead to sin and death, and have not believed the Son for salvation. (John 16:8-10)

144,000 are the true Jews and Israelites, and who are the descendants of Jacob or house of Jacob, so they're not the fathers or patriarchs of Israel.

For the 'patriarch of Israel' i believe are the 24 elders who are already in Heaven and seated on thrones, those ascended bodily like Enoch and Elijah or in the spirit receiving the Heavenly body.

As Christ won salvation for the dead and the living, for those in Heaven and for those on earth, without 'damnation'.

The 144,000 Israelites will be taken up to Heaven after the 'Armageddon according to the book Revelation', the final restitution.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Fred J]

This is not the second coming of Jesus. He does not return to earth at the rapture, just descends in to what we assume is the atmosphere.

Your own interpretation?

i did not testify that He returns to earth on His second coming, but rather He'll be 'in' the clouds and as per to the scripture.

Usually the clouds are in the sky and that's where the the Lord will be 'inside' on His second coming.

And the church saints at the 'first resurrection' will ascend and meet Him 'in' the clouds.

False, for you folks to assume is the atmosphere and probably the world could see, non Biblical.