WHAT IS MEANT IN HEBREWS SAYING THERE IS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS?

[amigo de christo]

Sadly, many believe a "different" gospel that culminates in works righteousness, which equates to unbelief. The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

Romans 10:8 - But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Strap all armour on and be in the trenches . for many now bring another gospel they beleieve is love
and yet by its sin accepting unbeleif accepting SPELL leads the all to the pits of destruction .
Defend the gospel of truth and all biblical doctrine to the last and final breath my friend .
Cause any jesus that contradicts THE JESUS , HIS WORDS , well dont we both KNOW that AINT JESUS .

 

[amigo de christo]

Blind guide of the blind, suite yourself, no thank you

many in many places now run to a massive suite which is none other
than the SUITE of the well favored harlot
by which she has many diverse and strange rooms
suited for any desire of man with a splash THIS Is your god upon it .
We got buddist talored rooms , muslim colored
we got any flavor known to man , CEPT TRUTH in them rooms .
No aint no bibles in them rooms
only twisted so called all inclusive love in them rooms . NOT a good end for all who entered that suite
which suited whatever image of god they desired to beleive in , cause that god serves their sin .

 

[Doug]

Other sheep Doug.
No matter where the Jews were, they were still the sheep.


§Ephesians 3:3-6
3 that by revelation there was made known to me the mystery, as I wrote before in brief.
4 By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ,
5 which in other generations was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit;
6 to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel,


1 Corinthians 12:12-13
12 For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.


Too much scripture speaking against this belief....

If you are saying the other sheep are Gentiles look closely at this verse...................[Jhn 10:16 KJV] 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.....................Israel is referred to as being sheep...................and this one..............[Jhn 11:52 KJV] 52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad...................Israel was split in two and Christ will form one nation.............[Eze 37:22 KJV] 22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:...................One nation with one sherd..............[Eze 34:23 KJV] 23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, [even] my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd................this is all about Israel

 

[Doug]

It's the Master's Gospel about the Grace and Truth of GOD, from the beginning He distributed first to the 12 Apostles, and then later to the 13th Apostle in completion.

So that would mean everything commanded the twelve apostles is meant to be obeyed by us. So are you preaching the gospel of the kingdom? Are you preaching to be baptized and saying the Davidic kingdom is at hand? Have you sold all? Have you started preaching in Jerusalem?

 

[Doug]

'Babes in Christ', Paul is referring to the 'Old Covenant' which in the past was apparently for Israel, and Gentiles then were 'aliens' to it.

They were people without GOD, the uncircumcised, the unclean and pagans, but nevertheless yet their salvation were already prophesied in the Old Covenant as well. (Genesis 12:3/Isaiah 49:6)

Read the context to verse 22, the New Covenant for Jews and Gentiles as 'one' of Abraham's seed period

The new covenant is made with Israel, and he will cause them to walk in his statutes and keep the law. They will be a blessing to the Gentiles in the kingdom and lead them to the Lord

 

[David in NJ]

For the record the Holy Ghost expound as our reminder and stir up of memory about the Holy Bible scripture.

Whether Jews or Gentiles, both are the children of Adam and Eve, it's only they parted ways, with GOD and without GOD.

Jews with GOD having the covenants, Law as their schoolmaster and the Prophets, even written down, also failed miserably, have sinned and fall short of the Glory of GOD.

Gentiles astray without GOD, basically having the Law in their conscience as their schoolmaster, sometimes even pleased GOD better than the Jews, also failed miserably, sinned and fall short of the Glory of GOD.

Therefore apparently both are equally fallen short of the Glory of GOD and are saved under the election of grace and made into one nation, 'CHRISTIAN'

We are the 'ONE BODY of CHRIST' worshipers, in oneness and togetherness, worship GOD the FATHER in 'spirit' and 'truth'.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

GREAT POST

 

[Doug]

Romans 10:8 - But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

In Romans 9 10 7 11 Paul is discussing Israel. Starting in Romans 10:6 Paul is quoting Deuteronomy .....................[Deu 30:14 KJV] 14 But the word [is] very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it...........He is quoting this because he is talking to Israel in Romans.........[Rom 10:8-9 KJV] 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved............faith was in their mouth and Israel had to openly verbally confess Christ...............
[Mat 10:32 KJV] 32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
[Luk 12:8 KJV] 8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:
[Jhn 9:22 KJV] 22 These [words] spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.
[Jhn 12:42 KJV] 42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess [him], lest they should be put out of the synagogue:

 

[GodsGrace]

If you are saying the other sheep are Gentiles look closely at this verse...................[Jhn 10:16 KJV] 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:

I HAVE OTHER SHEEP WHICH ARE NOT OF THIS FOLD.

NOT OF THIS FOLD.

What does that mean Doug?

Jesus did NOT say SHEEP THAT HAVE WANDERED.

A fold is a bunch of sheep.
A different fold is not the fold scattered...
it's a different fold.

them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.....................Israel is referred to as being sheep...................and this one..............[Jhn 11:52 KJV] 52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad...................Israel was split in two and Christ will form one nation.............[Eze 37:22 KJV] 22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:...................One nation with one sherd..............[Eze 34:23 KJV] 23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, [even] my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd................this is all about Israel

The above is history and has nothing to do with the NEW Covenant.

I've posted enough scripture and really cannot continue this conversation.
I DO wonder where all this nonsense comes from.

Jesus said to TEACH ALL NATIONS, BAPTIZE ALL NATIONS,
He did NOT say to search for the lost sheep of Israel and teach them and baptize them.

 

[GodsGrace]

Hebrews 10:26 - For if we go on willfully and deliberately sinning after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice [to atone] for our sins [that is, no further offering to anticipate] (AMP)

Just fell on the above....
So NOW you're saying that if a person sins willfully,
he cannot get back to God???

So now you DO support the possibility of forfeiture of salvation based on behavior?

So now you go so far as to post verses that state there is no more sacrifice for those that have abandoned the faith?

Interesting.
Maybe your theology needs a little bit more tuning.

 

[GodsGrace]

In Romans 9 10 7 11 Paul is discussing Israel. Starting in Romans 10:6 Paul is quoting Deuteronomy .....................[Deu 30:14 KJV] 14 But the word [is] very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it...........He is quoting this because he is talking to Israel in Romans.........[Rom 10:8-9 KJV] 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved............faith was in their mouth and Israel had to openly verbally confess Christ...............
[Mat 10:32 KJV] 32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
[Luk 12:8 KJV] 8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:
[Jhn 9:22 KJV] 22 These [words] spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.
[Jhn 12:42 KJV] 42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess [him], lest they should be put out of the synagogue:

In Romans Paul is speaking to Jews, Gentiles, and even unbelievers at times.

It seems that you're stating that in Romans Paul is speaking only to Jews.

I hope I've misunderstood you.

 

[mailmandan]

Just fell on the above....
So NOW you're saying that if a person sins willfully,
he cannot get back to God???

So now you DO support the possibility of forfeiture of salvation based on behavior?

So now you go so far as to post verses that state there is no more sacrifice for those that have abandoned the faith?

Interesting.
Maybe your theology needs a little bit more tuning.

In regard to Hebrews 10:26, to "sin willfully" carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is continuous action, a matter of practice. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows willful, continuous action. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God. (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9)

 

[GodsGrace]

In regard to Hebrews 10:26, to "sin willfully" carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is continuous action, a matter of practice. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows willful, continuous action. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God. (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9)

So now you're stating that Christians don't sin?

Oh what a tangled web we weave....

I was, actually, referring to the fact that you seem to believe that those that sin willfully cannot return to God.

 

[GodsGrace]

In regard to Hebrews 10:26, to "sin willfully" carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is continuous action, a matter of practice. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows willful, continuous action. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God. (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9)

I do agree about the practicing of sin.
Signing off.

 

[amigo de christo]

I HAVE OTHER SHEEP WHICH ARE NOT OF THIS FOLD.

NOT OF THIS FOLD.

What does that mean Doug?

Jesus did NOT say SHEEP THAT HAVE WANDERED.

A fold is a bunch of sheep.
A different fold is not the fold scattered...
it's a different fold.



The above is history and has nothing to do with the NEW Covenant.

I've posted enough scripture and really cannot continue this conversation.
I DO wonder where all this nonsense comes from.

Jesus said to TEACH ALL NATIONS, BAPTIZE ALL NATIONS,
He did NOT say to search for the lost sheep of Israel and teach them and baptize them.

Them must i also bring and they shall be ONE FOLD with ONE SHEPARD .
that other fold is of the gentiles . The believing jew and beleiving gentile
are NOW ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and all unbelievers are outside and in darkness .
ONLY BY FAITH IN JESUS can one enter into and become this BODY , THIS BRIDE .
Many have no idea what occurred . That middle wall WAS BROKEN down
just as surely as THE VEIL was rent in TWAIN . JESUS MADE the WAY , HE IS THE WAY .
And its TIME for all to abandon the ecumincal harlot and her broad path .
For she too has come to now make this world as one F OLD . but it ai nt UNDER GOD sister .
The sheep heed not her call .

 

[Doug]

I HAVE OTHER SHEEP WHICH ARE NOT OF THIS FOLD.

NOT OF THIS FOLD.

What does that mean Doug?

Jesus did NOT say SHEEP THAT HAVE WANDERED.

A fold is a bunch of sheep.
A different fold is not the fold scattered...
it's a different fold.

Actually, it is a sheepfold an enclosed area to protect the sheep. The other sheep either the scattered Jews or the Jews in the divided house would be brought into the sheepfold with Jesus

 

[Doug]

The above is history and has nothing to do with the NEW Covenant.

We weren't talking about the new covenant

 

[Doug]

It seems that you're stating that in Romans Paul is speaking only to Jews.

Romans 9 10 & 11 is about Israel. I didnt say he was talking to Jews.

 

[Fred J]

So that would mean everything commanded the twelve apostles is meant to be obeyed by us. So are you preaching the gospel of the kingdom? Are you preaching to be baptized and saying the Davidic kingdom is at hand? Have you sold all? Have you started preaching in Jerusalem?

Sadly you've lost it.

We Jew and Gentile Christian as the one body of Christ was only being disciple by Paul towards the middle of the book Acts and onwards.

But beforehand we have already been disciple by Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and towards the middle of the book of Acts.

Since Christ already commissioned them first in Matthew chapter 28, to make disciple of all nations of Jews and gentiles, way before Paul.

It's just that we do not know where did you get lost in all of this because we've since moved on the book of Revelation.

 

[Fred J]

The new covenant is made with Israel, and he will cause them to walk in his statutes and keep the law. They will be a blessing to the Gentiles in the kingdom and lead them to the Lord

Since Israel rejected the Gospel and their Messiah and only a remnant saved under the election of grace, the New Covenant since have gone to the Gentiles!

Where have you been when all of this have come to pass and we're in the 20th century??

 

[David in NJ]

@Doug

What do you see from this - John 1:10-13

He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.