Do you really believe modern Israelis are direct descendants of those "lost" northern tribes scattered by Assyria 2,700 years ago?

[ScottA]

What do you believe is Jesus's mission?

I do not "believe" but know His mission. But first, you did not answer my question (which I asked in an attempt to state and consider the matter in a more simple and honest manner).

 

[MatthewG]

All tribes have been taken out of this world. They no longer exist, except the tribes existing within the bible itself.

They had all their genealogy burned up ...

 

[NotTheRock]

I do not "believe" but know His mission. But first, you did not answer my question (which I asked in an attempt to state and consider the matter in a more simple and honest manner).

I believe that Jesus's mission is to unite all things in him. I think he's working on that part, including Jews.

Ephesians 1:9-11

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9 making known[a] to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ[b] 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in Christ, things in heaven and things on earth in him.

 

[soberxp]

Would you believe them?

If your data is authentic, then who is promoting this plan? Don't you think this is terrifying? The essence is not that these things are from the former Soviet Union, but that people are bargaining in the house of God.

They can sell anything for money.

 

[ScottA]

I believe that Jesus's mission is to unite all things in him. I think he's working on that part, including Jews.

Ephesians 1:9-11​

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9 making known[a] to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ[b] 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in Christ, things in heaven and things on earth in him.

That's great but if you deny the things Jesus said regarding the times when He would do what He said, saying about the house of Israel that "It is finished", then you are still well off the mark.

 

[shepherdsword]

All tribes have been taken out of this world. They no longer exist, except the tribes existing within the bible itself.

They had all their genealogy burned up ...

Please read post#14 Matt.

 

[Grailhunter]

Historically, the Northern Kingdom of Israel, comprising ten tribes, was conquered by Assyria around 722 BCE. The Assyrians deported much of Israel's population to regions like Assyria, Mesopotamia, and Media, as part of their policy of scattering conquered peoples (2 Kings 17:24). This led to the "lost ten tribes," who largely assimilated into other nations, and the Northern Kingdom ceased to exist as a state.

After this, only the Southern Kingdom of Judah remained, primarily made up of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and some Levites. Judah was later conquered by Babylon under Nebuchadnezzar II around 587/586 BCE, and its people were taken into the Babylonian captivity. After Babylon fell to the Persians in 539 BCE, King Cyrus the Great issued a decree allowing the Jews to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the Temple (Ezra 1:1–4), which was completed around 516 BCE. From that point until the time of Jesus (circa 4 BCE–30 CE), the restored community was known as Judah, not Israel. It existed under Persian, Greek, and later Roman rule (from 63 BCE, when Pompey captured Jerusalem). In 70 CE, the Romans, under Titus, destroyed the Second Temple and Jerusalem, effectively ending Judah as a center of Jewish statehood until modern times.

Yet, in 1948, the founders of the modern state chose the name "Israel." This choice is significant because the descendants of the biblical Israel were dispersed long before the Second Temple period, and over 2,000 years have passed since the destruction of Judah in 70 CE. Some question whether modern Israelis are truly descendants of Abraham’s tribes, given the long history of dispersion and intermingling, especially for the "lost" tribes of Israel, whose assimilation began over 2,700 years ago.

The name "Israel" for the modern state might evoke the biblical unity of all twelve tribes, but historically and genealogically, claiming direct continuity with the ancient Israel is questionable.

There's no historical evidence (from Josephus, archaeology, or other sources) of organized, unassimilated communities from the ten northern tribes (the ones conquered by Assyria in 722 BCE) still existing as distinct groups in 1st-century Palestine. The northern territory had long been repopulated by Samaritans—a mixed group of Assyrian settlers and remnant Israelites who intermarried and developed their own syncretic faith.

the 1st century, "Israel" as a national or tribal entity from the united monarchy era (pre-922 BCE) no longer existed. The northern kingdom had vanished 800 years earlier, assimilated into Assyrian territories, leaving only the southern kingdom's remnants (Judeans, or Jews).
That's why descendants of Judah/Benjamin would historically have named a restored state "Judah," not "Israel"—the two were separate (and often rival) kingdoms in the Bible.

So, here's my direct question: Do you really believe modern Israelis are direct descendants of those "lost" northern tribes scattered by Assyria 2,700 years ago?

No

 

[NotTheRock]

That's great but if you deny the things Jesus said regarding the times when He would do what He said, saying about the house of Israel that "It is finished", then you are still well off the mark.

What did I deny? You're pushing your own, personal, theology that Israel and Jews no longer have a place in God's plan despite ZERO scriptural support. Jesus said "It is finished" meaning he had completed his sacrifice that would bring life to ALL men.

Romans 5:18
Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.

 

[ScottA]

What did I deny? You're pushing your own, personal, theology that Israel and Jews no longer have a place in God's plan despite ZERO scriptural support. Jesus said "It is finished" meaning he had completed his sacrifice that would bring life to ALL men.

Romans 5:18
Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.

I quoted what you denied that Jesus said regarding Israel. Now you deny that I gave scripture. Well, you double denying just reveals you and confirms the truth of what I posted.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Yes, I believe.

Do you believe that the 6 million Jews exterminated in Hitler's death camps were "real" Jews?

I do think that the German Jews that were set up to be killed by the Satanic so called Jews, who hated the German Jews of the time, was because the Satanic so called Jews who are the creators of Hitlers Socialist Mob in fact.
Who Clearly it was they who had set out to kill them Jews in Germany !

For it was they who would not swallow what Hitlers own so called Jewish masters were peddling !
Hitlers Media tryed propaganda for years to get such to adoped his so called Jews line !
Only Zionist Jews were alowed to print newspapers all other Jews were banned to print !

So it was this type of German Jews, who were such a great threat to Hitlers Masters in fact ! because such Jews were not stupid ! for they understood the workings of games that Socialism plays, for they had a good handle on the OT in fact and were mainly Smart people who helped creat Germany for 2000 years in fact !
Just look at all of the advancements that such Jews created in Germany that were far above the rest of the world in fact !

Germany's Idiot Government had also let in the majority of the Jews who had been kicked out of Russia, such as this type of Jew was not of the German Jews in Question. they were another issue.

But when understanding the workings of Satanic forces, one can see the workings of the Game play much more clearly !

I believe that the real Hebrew People were a real creative People, much more advanced than any other People, Not all, but within ? but still under the same curse of man regards Sin. but non the less a creative people as History proves.

The old Jews that I knew who were put in the Nazi Camps were very smart people and did very well for themselves. real good at what their profession was, that was clear ! If you want top quallity work, look for one of that type of Jew ! Dentist Doctors Lawers you name it they are most likely the very Best !
If anyone is great master in their profession you can bet that they have a real true Jewish bloodline some where ! regardless of what other Race that they are.
Even some Arabs could make Quality things in History only due to being of Jewish blood line some what.

But all Socialist People are always dupes who are truly only Slaves, because they are virtueless. thery want others to do for them for they lack a creative mind. so they will never be Saved ! because they could not save anything, they only destroy ! they are good at that ! always destructive, like make claims of being a greeny but can not even get that right and fail so badly ! because they are Communist first and foremost and Greeny is just only the outer apperance ! but such fools most ! they never get anything right, but for boasting.

 

[MatthewG]

. There were remnants of all Israel left in the land after the Assyrian exileul

2 Ch 30:5 So they established a decree to make proclamation throughout all Israel, from Beer-sheba even to Dan, that they should come to keep the passover unto the Lord God of Israel at Jerusalem: for they had not done it of a long time in such sort as it was written.

2 Ch 30:10-11
So the posts passed from city to city through the country of Ephraim and Manasseh even unto Zebulun: but they laughed them to scorn, and mocked them. Nevertheless divers of Asher and Manasseh and of Zebulun humbled themselves, and came to Jerusalem.

None of the tribes were lost as even James testifies:

Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

DNA proves that Ashkenazi Jews ultimately trace their origins straight back to ancient Israel. The theory that today's Ashkenazis descend not from the Holy Land but, rather, from Khazaria, a medieval Turkic empire in the Causasus region has been proven false.

The Khazar-origin premise has crumbled under the onslaught of modern molecular genetics. The latest volley: a study published this week in Nature Communications. The study's senior author, Stanford geneticist Peter Underhill, PhD, works in the lab of Carlos Bustamante, PhD, whose high-resolution techniques have highlighted the historical hopscotch of other migratory peoples.


Underhill, Bustamante and their co-authors analyzed the Y chromosome - a piece of the human genome invariably handed down father-to-son - of a set of Ashkenazi men claiming descent from Levi, the founder of one of the Twelve Tribes of Israel. (Names such as Levy, Levine and Levitt, for example, bespeak a Levite heritage.)


Article: New genetic study: More evidence for modern Ashkenazi Jews' ancient Hebrew patrimony

Got it.

There was also a division when the tribes split. However, all the tribes (who wanted to come) would all show up together, regardless of the division to make sacrifices which is something i find interesting.

 

[Chrysostomos]

No segment of humanity is as persecuted as Jewish people and their homeland, Israel. The Holocaust should be a Himalayan example to those that follow Jesus that the world still hates and persecutes Jews. If the Holocaust wasn't a persecution, then nothing is.

Eighty years after the Holocaust the hatred and persecution of the Jewish people remains far greater than any other segment of humanity. The United Nations, as a matter of routine procedure for the past 50+ years, has fought against Israel's Jews. Godless, western, leftists have funded BILLIONS to radical Islamic causes who murder Israeli Jews.

Christians should be able to discern that Satan remains hard at work lying to the lost of the world to persecute the Jewish people. The world hates Jews even more than they hate Jesus and Christian.

John 15:19​

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19 If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.​

Classic victim card.

I’m pretty sure the Palestinians in Gaza right now would laugh in your face if you told them the people calling themselves “Jews” are the most oppressed on Earth.

Guterres said it in October 2023: “Gaza has become a graveyard for children.” Over 7,000 kids dead under the bombs, and he kept repeating it in 2024–2025.

ICC issued arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant in November 2024 — war crimes, crimes against humanity. Israel’s objections got thrown out.

ICJ ruled in 2024 that genocide in Gaza is plausible. Case still going.
Amnesty International called it genocide in December 2024 and doubled down in July 2025.

UN report in September 2025? Straight-up genocide.

But fine — let’s set all that aside.

Your whole logic seems to be:
“People hate Jews ---> therefore Jews exist ---> therefore they’re the real ancient Israelites.”
Did I get that right?

I’m not arguing there’s no group calling themselves “Jews” today. It’s obvious—just look at Israel.
I even told you about my friends who “discovered” they were Jewish after the USSR collapsed—something they had no clue about before.

I’m also not denying that some people hate those who call themselves “Jews.”

But how does any of that prove that modern Israelis are actual descendants of the lost 10 northern tribes from the Kingdom of Israel?

 

[Chrysostomos]

It's not "walking in the spirit" to mock and disparage brothers and sisters in Christ.

Here you go, nailing the victim pose again and painting me as the bad guy.

 

[Chrysostomos]

. There were remnants of all Israel left in the land after the Assyrian exile:

2 Ch 30:5 So they established a decree to make proclamation throughout all Israel, from Beer-sheba even to Dan, that they should come to keep the passover unto the Lord God of Israel at Jerusalem: for they had not done it of a long time in such sort as it was written.

2 Ch 30:10-11
So the posts passed from city to city through the country of Ephraim and Manasseh even unto Zebulun: but they laughed them to scorn, and mocked them. Nevertheless divers of Asher and Manasseh and of Zebulun humbled themselves, and came to Jerusalem.

None of the tribes were lost as even James testifies:

Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

DNA proves that Ashkenazi Jews ultimately trace their origins straight back to ancient Israel. The theory that today's Ashkenazis descend not from the Holy Land but, rather, from Khazaria, a medieval Turkic empire in the Causasus region has been proven false.

The Khazar-origin premise has crumbled under the onslaught of modern molecular genetics. The latest volley: a study published this week in Nature Communications. The study's senior author, Stanford geneticist Peter Underhill, PhD, works in the lab of Carlos Bustamante, PhD, whose high-resolution techniques have highlighted the historical hopscotch of other migratory peoples.


Underhill, Bustamante and their co-authors analyzed the Y chromosome - a piece of the human genome invariably handed down father-to-son - of a set of Ashkenazi men claiming descent from Levi, the founder of one of the Twelve Tribes of Israel. (Names such as Levy, Levine and Levitt, for example, bespeak a Levite heritage.)


Article: New genetic study: More evidence for modern Ashkenazi Jews' ancient Hebrew patrimony

2 Chronicles 30? That’s King Hezekiah, ~715 BCE—right before the Assyrians wiped out the North in 722 BCE. He invites “remnants” from Ephraim, Manasseh, Zebulun… and most laugh and mock the messengers. A handful show up. These weren’t organized tribes—just stragglers who fled south and melted into Judah.
Then the Assyrians deported everyone anyway—those “remnants” dissolved. By the 1st century? Gone as distinct groups. No Josephus, no archaeology—nothing.

James 1:1? “Twelve tribes scattered” is poetry for Diaspora Jews—all from Judah, Benjamin, Levites. In the 1st century, “Israel” = Judeans (Jews). No northern tribal ID anywhere.

Now DNA?
You’re bragging about a 45–60% match with ancient samples? That’s basically 50/50—a coin flip.

You’ve got 4 grandparents. Double that: 8 great-grandparents. It keeps doubling every generation. In 300 years? Over 1,000 ancestors. In 2,700 years? Billions on paper.

But here’s the kicker: there weren’t billions of people back then. Far from it. So guess what? We’re all related—multiple times over.

That “Levantine” DNA you’re waving around? Could just as easily show up in a Russian, Pole, Ukrainian, or Belarusian—guys who call themselves “pure” Russians, Poles, Ukrainians…

There are no pure bloodlines left. Just different mixes.
So yeah—50% match doesn’t make you “ancient Israel.”
It makes you part of the same giant family tree as everyone else.

 

[Chrysostomos]

If your data is authentic, then who is promoting this plan? Don't you think this is terrifying? The essence is not that these things are from the former Soviet Union, but that people are bargaining in the house of God.

They can sell anything for money.

After the collapse of the USSR, everything was up for sale in Ukraine!
By the way, on the “ancestry market,” Jewish roots were the easiest and cheapest to “find.”
Polish, Romanian, or Bulgarian ones cost more…
But only in Israel did you get all your expenses covered the moment you stepped off the plane — and then some.

 

[soberxp]

After the collapse of the USSR, everything was up for sale in Ukraine!

Sad and true.

By the way, on the “ancestry market,” Jewish roots were the easiest and cheapest to “find.”
Polish, Romanian, or Bulgarian ones cost more…
But only in Israel did you get all your expenses covered the moment you stepped off the plane — and then some.

Or marvel at the power of the human imagination to make money.

 

[Chrysostomos]

Sad and true.

Or marvel at the power of the human imagination to make money.

Supply and demand:

After the USSR collapsed, everyone in Ukraine wanted out—and that demand never went away.
To this day, Ukraine and Russia are the top two suppliers of “new Jews” for Israel.

When I dug into the repatriation stats, I was shocked: Why does the Israeli government publish it all so openly?

Then it hit me: In Israel, nobody gives a damn where the newcomers are from or whether they’re “real” Jews in the biblical bloodline sense.

That stuff only matters to American Christian Zionists.

For actual Israelis? Say you’re Jewish and you’re in—no questions, no investigations.
Done.

 

[soberxp]

Supply and demand:

After the USSR collapsed, everyone in Ukraine wanted out—and that demand never went away.
To this day, Ukraine and Russia are the top two suppliers of “new Jews” for Israel.

When I dug into the repatriation stats, I was shocked: Why does the Israeli government publish it all so openly?

Then it hit me: In Israel, nobody gives a damn where the newcomers are from or whether they’re “real” Jews in the biblical bloodline sense.

That stuff only matters to American Christian Zionists.

For actual Israelis? Say you’re Jewish and you’re in—no questions, no investigations.
Done.

I think I can understand that sentiment. The collapse of the Soviet Union stemmed from the utter corruption of its leaders—a trait inherent to those without faith. Though they claimed Marxism as their faith, in practice, no one knew exactly how to implement it, no one had seen the face of the kingdom, and no one believed utopia truly existed.

Yet if you ask me what to do, I would also say I do not know. For there are too many troubles in this world, and the only righteous way is to forgive, then wait for the new heaven and new earth created by God.

This world, like the former Soviet Union, is bound to collapse.

 

[NotTheRock]

I quoted what you denied that Jesus said regarding Israel. Now you deny that I gave scripture. Well, you double denying just reveals you and confirms the truth of what I posted.

You LOVE to argue and you're disingenuous in order to win debates. Your pride, ego, and vanity precede you as humility is not in your nature. You really need to work on yourself.

 

[NotTheRock]

Then it hit me: In Israel, nobody gives a damn where the newcomers are from or whether they’re “real” Jews in the biblical bloodline sense.

The Third Reich was definitely obsessed with "bloodlines".