A stick in the mud

[2bme]

I figure that where Christian's fault in their overall personal growth and spiritual maturity might just be due to a misalignment of application. (This is my reasoning) Jesus's said to believe in him and put his words (Teachings) into practice. However if Christian's are making Jesus's teaching into something to believe in rather than practice then they will become stagnant fence sitters.

What is interesting about this concept is that I myself was misaligned when I believed in Jesus's and did think I only had to believe in his teachings. Like, how was I going learn to forgive my enemy by remaining in the single idea of believing that I ought to just forgive my enemy.

 

[Matthias]

Welcome back @2bme. You’ve been away for a long time. I was becoming concerned about you. It’s good, and a relief, to see you posting again.

 

[Wick Stick]

Did Jesus say that I should believe in him? Yes. Did he say I should also believe in his teachings? No. I think this might be why so many Christian's today live like the pagans of old. Jesus said to put his teachings into practice, not just to believe in his teachings. That might be the reason why those Christian's fault in their own personal relationship with God.

Yes, I think so. Relationship trumps doctrine.

 

[2bme]

Welcome back @2bme. You’ve been away for a long time. I was becoming concerned about you. It’s good, and a relief, to see you posting again.

I was suspended.

 

[Matthias]

I was suspended.

I’m sorry to hear that. I didn’t know.

 

[2bme]

I’m sorry to hear that. I didn’t know.

It happens.

 

[2bme]

Yes, I think so. Relationship trumps doctrine.

Re-read the OP. It's far more clearer.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I figure that where Christian's fault in their overall personal growth and spiritual maturity might just be due to a misalignment of application. (This is my reasoning) Jesus's said to believe in him and put his words (Teachings) into practice. However if Christian's are making Jesus's teaching into something to believe in rather than practice then they will become stagnant fence sitters.

What is interesting about this concept is that I myself was misaligned when I believed in Jesus's and did think I only had to believe in his teachings. Like, how was I going learn to forgive my enemy by remaining in the single idea of believing that I ought to just forgive my enemy.

One can not forgive one who does not want forgivness. nor should one forgive one who has no regards such. or wishes still to do you wrong.

Then again their is like Australian Left Government who will say Sorry to people, but in truth such has no value at all, because it's founded on lies and deception.
For They only want the glory from they who are in ignorance.

One can sit on the fence and watch it all go nowere ! but for another ends ? cunning evil intent being afoot ! but it's hard to expose such a Serpent when most Idolise all such works.

Yes one being true is too be put into Parctice. it's called abiding in Him ! you must. it's not an option. as Christ Jesus truly does the work in you.

 

[Matthias]

It happens.

It may now happen to me too. If you don’t see me here anymore, I want you to know it’s because it has happened to me. I’ll be fine. Take good care of yourself. I’ve never ceased praying for you and I’ll miss you.

Evil is overcome by good.

 

[2bme]

It may now happen to me too. If you don’t see me here anymore, I want you to know it’s because it has happened to me. I’ll be fine. Take good care of yourself. I’ve never ceased praying for you and I’ll miss you.

Evil is overcome by good.

What do you mean?

 

[Matthias]

What do you mean?

A report has been filed against me by another member. That could result in me being temporarily or permanently banned. If it does and is temporary, I won’t return. (I’ve always said that if a moderator or administrator doesn’t want me here there is no need to ban me. All they need to do is ask me to leave and I will, with no hard feelings.) If it is permanent, I can’t return.

I just didn’t want you to be left in the dark about what happened to me if you don’t see me here again.

I didn’t know the reason why you hadn’t been here for so long. I was genuinely concerned about you being away. I don’t want you to be in that position. (If it comes to it.)

 

[2bme]

A report has been filed against me by another member. That could result in me being temporarily or permanently banned. If it does and is temporary, I won’t return. (I’ve always said that if a moderator or administrator doesn’t want me here there is no need to ban me. All they need to do is ask me to leave and I will, with no hard feelings.) If it is permanent, I can’t return.

I just didn’t want you to be left in the dark about what happened to me if you don’t see me here again.

I didn’t know the reason why you hadn’t been here for so long. I was genuinely concerned about you being away. I don’t want you to be in that position. (If it comes to it.)

If that's true then you must have done something worse than I have ever done here. You know that I've done and said things that sound totally demonic. Right?
I've been suspended from this forum numerous times, I've confessed that I have a crush on my own adult daughter + all that anti-belief/Christian stuff as well. So what did you do!

 

[GodsGrace]

I figure that where Christian's fault in their overall personal growth and spiritual maturity might just be due to a misalignment of application. (This is my reasoning) Jesus's said to believe in him and put his words (Teachings) into practice. However if Christian's are making Jesus's teaching into something to believe in rather than practice then they will become stagnant fence sitters.

What is interesting about this concept is that I myself was misaligned when I believed in Jesus's and did think I only had to believe in his teachings. Like, how was I going learn to forgive my enemy by remaining in the single idea of believing that I ought to just forgive my enemy.

I believe @Wick Stick has misunderstood your OP.
I'm here to tell you that I agree wholeheartedly and believe you have come to the correct conclusion.
Christianity is about action.
Jesus said to ACT on His word.

Matthew 7:24 The wise man is he who ACTS on the words of Jesus.
24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.

We are told to be DOERS of the word and not only HEARERS.
James 1:22
22 But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves.

James, who knew Jesus, is teaching that a person who only hears is DELUDED.

 

[Matthias]

If that's true then you must have done something worse than I have ever done here. You know that I've done and said things that sound totally demonic. Right?
I've been suspended from this forum numerous times, I've confessed that I have a crush on my own adult daughter + all that anti-belief/Christian stuff as well. So what did you do!

I didn’t do anything. I was reported by another member who believes that I slandered him. I was able to log in this morning. I wasn’t sure that I would be able to when I went to bed last night. Either no decision has been made on the report or it was reviewed and I was exonerated. I’ll continue posting and the moderators will do whatever they think best.

 

[Matthias]

So what did you do!

I was once permanently banned from an online forum after making only one post. The post was in an “Introduce Yourself” section on that forum. I reckon that it must have happened around 20 years ago.

I said hello, my name is, and I’m a Jewish monotheist, looking forward to speaking with you.

That’s it. That was the message that was so onerous that a permanent ban was meted out.

Turn out the lights. The party’s over.

That forum no longer exists. I still do. Getting permanently banned isn’t a pleasant experience but it’s not the end of the world.

 

[Wick Stick]

Re-read the OP. It's far more clearer.

You added to it? (I think)

You and @GodsGrace seem to agree that I misunderstand, so I probably am, but... I'll still stick with my original statement. Relationships are more important than doctrinal correctness.

Correct doctrine and 5 bucks will buy you a cup of coffee (boy, this saying changed over the years)

 

[JLB]

I said hello, my name is, and I’m a Jewish monotheist, looking forward to speaking with you.

That would do it.

 

[Matthias]

That would do it.

I appreciate that Christianity Board has “Other Faith” forums where a Jewish monotheist who believes Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah, Son of the living God is allowed to post. There are borders I’m not allowed to cross - forums designated “Christians Only” - but I’ve lived comfortably with that for over two years now.

 

[GodsGrace]

You added to it? (I think)

You and @GodsGrace seem to agree that I misunderstand, so I probably am, but... I'll still stick with my original statement. Relationships are more important than doctrinal correctness.

Correct doctrine and 5 bucks will buy you a cup of coffee (boy, this saying changed over the years)

Wick, it depends what you mean by doctrine.
I've always said that doctrine does not save us but our belief and obedience to God does.
We could have our doctrine wrong and still be saved, of course.

The problem, as I see it, is that some proclaim doctrine that was never taught by Jesus.
Jesus never said that we are to have a "relationship" with Him.
What He taught is that we are to be born from above....
believe in Him....
and act on His words.

In Matthew 7:23
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Jesus says I NEVER KNEW YOU, but look, immediately after He states why.....
because they were lawless.

So I believe firmly that we are to have a relationship with Jesus,,,,
but as HE directed....
not to believe in some kind of mental belief...
but to follow Him and do as He instructed.

I think the OP is meaning to say this...

 

[JLB]

I appreciate that Christianity Board has “Other Faith” forums where a Jewish monotheist who believes Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah, Son of the living God is allowed to post. There are borders I’m not allowed to cross - forums designated “Christians Only” - but I’ve lived comfortably with that for over two years now.

Why don’t you identify as a follower of Jesus Christ, a Christian, like the apostle Peter?


Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter.
1 Peter 4:16