Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Big Boy Johnson]

I would also say that all Christians believe that only faith saves.
What some don't like is what comes AFTER salvation...
and that is obedience to God.
And obedience includes the good works that Jesus taught us to do.

Exactly.

It's odd that some claim we can walk after the flesh and still be saved.

Those people are tares speaking in behalf of the devil.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

If it wasn't for the Catholic church, you'd have no bible and would probably be speaking Arabic.

Actually the oracles of God came thru the Jews.
No catholic writings are in God's Word.

The catholics are the cult who tried to keep the Bible from the masses.

Catholics believe all of the above.

Actually they add demonic teachings to God's Word such as mary worship so no they aren't Christians

 

[BreadOfLife]

I know all this and have argued for it. but at the request of someone not on these threads, I received and read the book "Behold your MOther." It is a defense of the four main MArian dogmas. it is filled with suppositions, philosophical musings and horrendous exegesis and hermeneutics. The hypotheses for Mary are based on philosophy and not Scripture. Some even say it is bringing into teh church the Isis/Osirus and Egyptian mythologies.

How so?

PLEASE continue with this nonsense because it is SO easily debunkable

 

[GodsGrace]

That doesn't apply when talking to the catholics because they aren't Christians View attachment 72815

Had to come back BB.

Are you saying that you can choose who your neighbor is?
Is this waht Jesus taught with the parable of the Good Samaritan?

Everyone is your neighbor BB.
Even some denominations that are heretical must be shown brotherly love when speaking to a member.

It's what Jesus taught.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Actually the oracles of God came thru the Jews.
No catholic writings are in God's Word.
The catholics are the one who tried to keep the Bible from the masses.

The Synod of Rome (382) is where the canon was first formally identified – ALL 73 (not 66) Books.

- 11 years after that, it was confirmed at the Synod of Hippo (393).
- 4 years later, at the Council (or Synod) of Carthage (397), it was yet again confirmed. The bishops wrote at the end of their document, "But let Church beyond sea (Rome) be consulted about confirming this canon". There were 44 bishops, including St. Augustine who signed the document.
- 7 years later, in 405, in a letter from Pope Innocent I to Exsuperius, Bishop of Toulouse, he reiterated the canon.
- 14 years after that, at the 2nd Council (Synod) of Carthage (419) the canon was again formally confirmed.

The Canon of Scripture was officially closed at the Council of Trent in the 16th century because of the perversions happening within Protestantism and the random editing and deleting of books from the Canon.

Do your HOMEWORK . . .

 

[ProverbsInPink]

That's hilarious.
YOU wouldn't even know who Jesus was - or had a Bible had it NOT been for the Catholic Church . . .

That's not only not true, it shows you don't know anything about the early church.
Oh,and it wasn't Catholic.

 

[GodsGrace]

Actually the oracles of God came thru the Jews.
No catholic writings are in God's Word.

Do you read the New Testament?
Who do you think assembled it, which denomination that is around today?
The early Christians wroter the letters.
The NT was assembled in about the 4th century.
Which denomination was around back then?

We're speaking about Christianity here, not Judaism.
If it were not for the CC there would be no Christianity with all the heretical teachings that had to be fought in the early church.

And, you might remember the spread of Isalm - reaching even into Europe.
Which denomination stopped Islam from spreading?

The catholics are the cult who tried to keep the Bible from the masses.

I think you should learn what a cult is.

Actually they add demonic teachings to God's Word such as mary worship so no they aren't Christians

So are Calvinists Christian?

And Mary is deserving of our respect and admiration.
She's the mother of Lord Jesus...
yes sir,,,the Mother of God.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Even some denominations that are heretical must be shown brotherly love when speaking to a member.

It's what Jesus taught.

I don't expect a catholic to adhere to the whole counsel of the Lord which tells us to not fellowship with false teachers

Jesus never said to agree with and accept those that teach false doctrine who do not accept the doctrine of Christ
Jesus Himself separated from the religious Jews who refused to accept Him as they continued in their false doctrine.

1 Timothy 6:3-5 (see Luke 11:23 and 2 Peter 3:2)
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness (holiness); (Doctrine of Christ, aka Doctrine of the Apostles)
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof comes envy, strife, railings, evil thoughts… Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Do you read the New Testament?

Yes and catholic doctrine in not in there...

If it were not for the CC there would be no Christianity

Actually if it were not for the RCC we wouldn't have false doctrine!

Although the so called reformers brought in even more false doctrine.

The catholics and the reformers all work for satan.

I think you should learn what a cult is.

The RCC is the very definition of what a cult is.

You people used to murder folks for not accepting RCC heresy and will start doing so again when your pope is revealed as the false prophet as he supports the anti-christ and his one world government

 

[BreadOfLife]

That's not only not true, it shows you don't know anything about the early church.
Oh,and it wasn't Catholic.

Wanna bet??

In one of the earliest writings in Church History - Ignatius of Antioch - a student of the Apostle John wrote the following on his way to Rome to be martyred:

Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

Only the Catholic Church fits this description.

 

[GodsGrace]

Wanna bet??

In one of the earliest writings in Church History - Ignatius of Antioch - a student of the Apostle John wrote the following on his way to Rome to be martyred:

Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

Only the Catholic Church fits this description.

The other member knows only how to spout insults and never posts anything of substance...
but I suppose it's still a good idea to reply to her. Others ARE reading along.
I've had to stop.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2

No scripture that came from the Lord.

Just religious musings of the RCC cult

 

[BreadOfLife]

No scripture that came from the Lord.

Just religious musings of the RCC cult

Scripture comes ONLY from God. Never said it didn't.

HOWEVER, because Jesus guaranteed that the Holy Spirit would guide His Church to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15) - He kept His promise when that same Holy Spirit guided His Church to the Canon of Scripture.

I already showed you the historical FACTS.
What evidence have YOU got to the contrary?

 

[GodsGrace]

No scripture that came from the Lord.

Just religious musings of the RCC cult

Why is it that Protestants refuse to learn any church history?

Did the Apostles speak to anyone to teach them what Jesus taught or did they just die away having no relationship with anyone?

Jesus told them to teach all nations...this is what they did.
Ignatius of antioch was taught by both John and Peter.
Do you suppose they taught Him what Jesus taught or not?

And we should all remember that it was the Catholic Church that decided which letters were to go into
the bible. Did you know that two other letters almost made it? Would it be a good idea to maybe read them.
One is the Didache - probably you won't be interested.
Another I can think of off-hand is the Letter of Barnabas.

And I'd like you to know that the early chuch agrees with you and me.
OSAS was never taught....
and works were regarded as being part of Christian teaching.

 

[Behold]

I don't know what "hyper Calvinism" is but it sounds like it was invented to give fools something to obsess over. I see you are completely obsessed and fascinated by it.

Is there a good reason you wont tell us who in your family were chosen for Hell before they were born, while you were chosen for Heaven you believe???? @Christian Soldier
You dont want to answer this question?.
Ive asked you 6 times and i'll keep asking you, as the members and the MODS here need to see you as you really are, as a person.
(Your Character).
You are certainly continuing to give them clear evidence by continuing to avoid my question. @Christian Soldier

Also, Hyper-Calvinism is Calvinism taken to extremes.

You can read anything written by brightfame52 ......on this forum to find out what it sounds like.
It sounds like what you believe... @Christian Soldier

For example, a Hyper-Calvinist will Falsely claim that :

1.) "God causes all the evil in the world"
2.) and that "noone has free will"
3.) and that '"no one can choose to believe in Christ"...
4.) and that "some are predestined for Heaven, which means that the rest are predestined for Hell".

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Also, Hyper-Calvinism is Calvinism taken to extremes.

Regular calvinism is also heresy even if they aren't hyper about it.

For example, a Hyper-Calvinist will Falsely claim that :
"God causes all the evil in the world"
and that "noone has free will"
and that '"no one can choose to believe in Christ"...
and that "some are predestined for Heaven, which means that the rest are predestined for Hell".

Regular non-hyper calvinists believe the same things

 

[nedsk]

Well I am glad you are back to the OP. And no one cannot lose their salvation.
As jesus said, "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish".

Right they won't perish as long as they DO the will of the father.

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my heavenly Father.

If can't thbwas sufficient there

LOL
If it wasn't for the Catholic church, you'd have no bible and would probably be speaking Arabic.
In fact, most definitely.

Also, please remember what defines a Christian:
Belief that Jesus is God.
Belief in the Trinity.
Belief that Jesus died and rose again.

These are the main tenets of the Christian religion.
Catholics believe all of the above.

Misrepresenting a denomination is of no help to Christianity.

It makes them look weak

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Why is it that Protestants refuse to learn any church history?

Because it matters not what happened after Paul left when all you false teachers popped up.

Acts 20:27-30
For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

The RCC is an example of what NOT to believe as they teach doctrines of demons and the darkened wisdom of fallen man as though it were the wisdom of the Lord.

Jesus told them to teach all nations...this is what they did.

Jesus and His Apostles never taught anyone to practice idolatry by praying to His momma

And we should all remember that it was the Catholic Church that decided which letters were to go into
the bible.

No, actually it was the Lord Jesus thru the Holy Spirit that had all the extra books of heresies removed that the catholic cult tried to add in.

The RCC claims they know better than the Lord Jesus

That's because the RCC is led by devils.

 

[nedsk]

Because it matters not what happened after Paul left when all you false teachers popped up.

Acts 20:27-30
For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

The RCC is an example of what NOT to believe as they teach doctrines of demons and the darkened wisdom of fallen man as though it were the wisdom of the Lord.




Jesus and His Apostles never taught anyone to practice idolatry by praying to His momma View attachment 72822





No, actually it was the Lord Jesus thru the Holy Spirit that had all the extra books of heresies removed that the catholic cult tried to add in.

The RCC claims they know better than the Lord Jesus

That's because the RCC is led by devils.

Of which your theological grandfather, Luther was

"That's because the RCC is led by devils." I wouldn't expect the devil to say anything else.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Of which your theological grandfather, Luther was

I have nothing to do with the false teachers that came out of the so called reformation

And I certainly have nothing to do with the catholic cult either.

Neither accept the whole counsel of God.

 

[nedsk]

I have nothing to do with the false teachers that came out of the so called reformation

And I certainly have nothing to do with the catholic cult either.

Neither accept the whole counsel of God.

Of course you do. He's the reason for 20,000+ christian denominations