Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Ronald Nolette]

First, while the apology is welcome, this remarkably seems like yet another dodge! You identified "three Greek manuscripts" of the LXX. Please name them and/or link to them. You not doing so is yet further evidence that you either fabricated, or else deliberately spoke falsely, about the very text of Scripture. Clearly you have something specific in mind here. It shouldn't take more than a few minutes to sort this out (if you consulted these sources online, they should be in your recent internet history; if you {unlikely} have these manuscripts in hard copy, they should be at your literal fingertips). Provide the sources, and we can consult the five verses I cited previously to see if "syngenes" is in those three Greek manuscripts."

Second, you have repeatedly and mercilessly mocked those who disagree with you here, including their failure to grasp "simple rules of grammar" and otherwise understand Scripture in its original language. Yet you post "bad info" about something as simple as the very words of the text. For your own sake, you really should stop. Mathew 7:2 ("For with the judgment you make you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get."). And at minimum, you should come clean about this "discrepancy" of yours.

You can conclude it a dodge if you wish but it is not. I found the texts at studylight .org which used anathenios (I hoped I spelled that right) instead of syngenes
and bible hub, when I queried brought up no OT uses of syngenes. After doing a deeper search of bible hub, I found the uses of syngenes. As I said, I regret the error. I was rushed that day ( I had ot bring my wife for day stay surgery) and did not do full diligence and just accepted the initial cursory response I got. If this is not "coming clean" enough, it is the best I can do.

And just because I erred due to lax diligence, I will not stop going after people butchering language and grammatic rules. That is where many errors come from, dud to lousy grammar.

This doesn't make sense. The point is that, as a matter of acceptable usage in Koine Greek, "brother" can be used for "cousin" or other, non-biological-sibling relation. There's no "mistake" in inspiration. The only "mistake" would be modern readers' in missing this semantic point. Even the Chicago Statement on inerrancy--so far as I understand, the "canonical" formulation of evangelicals' view of Scripture's inspiration and authority--affirms that God used the authors' linguistic and grammatical conventions and didn't override them and that it is a mistake to apply modern conventions to interpret Scripture:

Well you and BOL have yet to give real examples of adelphos and adelphoi of being used for cousins or other relatives outside of the contended verses.

I know it can be used of fellow countrymen or associates with a common cause.

From Bible Hub:

adelphos: Brother
Original Word: ἀδελφός
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: adelphos
Pronunciation: ah-del-FOS
Phonetic Spelling: (ad-el-fos')
KJV: brother
NASB: brethren, brother, brothers, brother's, believing husband
Word Origin: [from G1 (α - Alpha) (as a connective particle) and delphus "the womb"]

1. a brother
2. (of faith) a brother in our Lord, Jesus
{literally or figuratively; near or remote; much like G1}

no cousin or near relative implied here

From blue letter bible:
adelphos (Key)
TDNT Reference: 1:144,22
KJV Translation Count — Total: 346x
The KJV translates Strong's G80 in the following manner: brethren (226x), brother (113x), brother's (6x), brother's way (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. a brother, whether born of the same two parents or only of the same father or mother
2. having the same national ancestor, belonging to the same people, or countryman
3. any fellow or man
4. a fellow believer, united to another by the bond of affection
5. an associate in employment or office
6. brethren in Christ
   1. his brothers by blood
   2. all men
   3. apostles
   4. Christians, as those who are exalted to the same heavenly place

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
ἀδελφός adelphós, ad-el-fos'; from G1 (as a connective particle) and δελφύς delphýs (the womb); a brother (literally or figuratively) near or remote (much like G1):—brother.

no cousins here.

And for the Mt. 13:55 passage, why would they use adelphos when anaposis and syngenes were commonly used. The context cannot be talking about simple fellow Jews, or fellow believers, it is speaking directly of family.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

It seems so, Mary was a woman after all and she was married. To me personally is seems quite possible she had more children, It removes nothing of her character and her status.

Catholics think Mary was a perpetual virgin.

 

[Taken]

We don’t ask anything from Mary and the saints in Heaven … but intercession.

Oxymoron.


IOW what you Say you DO NOT DO..
YOU DO

Praying TO ANYTHING, IN Heaven…
Other THAN The Lord God… IS BY GOD,
IDOLATRY.

1 Sam 15
[23] For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Ex 2:
[3] Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
[4] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
[5] Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:

1Tim 2:
[5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Pray TO God.
Pray FOR Saints.
Pray FOR Enemies.


Pray TO Dead People No.

Pssst…
God has NO ISSUE with His “Hearing”!

Trust, Praise, Worship, Glory is FOR God.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Catholics think Mary was a perpetual virgin.

yes, i noticed.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Sorry, but you added the capitals to these letters. Greek was written in uncial or all capital letters in the first centuries. So no it has not always been the "C"atholic church. It has always been teh "c"atholic church It became the "C"atholic sect much later when the church consolidated spiritual and political power.

You completely missed the point I was making – but I’m NOT surprised . . .

I added the capital “C” to make a point that “catholic church” is being used as a TITLE and NOT a mere description in the Martyrdom of Polycarp.

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Yes, there were many different sects of Christianity in the early centuries.

• Early Christianity was characterized by a variety of groups and interpretations of religious texts, leading to the emergence of various sects such as Gnosticism, Ebionism, and others.
  
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• These sects often had differing beliefs, practices, and interpretations of core doctrines, which contributed to the diversity within the early Christian movement.
  
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• Scholars have noted that early Christianity was quite diverse, with groups that rejected orthodox teachings and emphasized unique beliefs, such as the Montanists and Arianists.
  
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• The early Christian community struggled to maintain unity while addressing theological questions and differing cultural contexts, which further contributed to the complexity of early Christianity.
  
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  This diversity reflects the early church's efforts to adapt to various beliefs and practices as it spread throughout the Roman Empire.

Your links include Marcionism, Manicheaism, Thomasines, Montanism , Gnostics and others that are heretical sects - and NOT true Christians at all. As for the Christian Churches , they were ALL Catholic - just in different cultures and geographical areas.

Do your HOMEWORK . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Read the two Babylons. I know the Roman hierarchy considers it heretical but read it anyway.

HILARIOIS . . .

Allow me to educate you about Alexander Hislop’s heavily-debunked work, "The Two Babylons".

Just about everything you listed is right out of Hislop's book. One of his staunchest adherents, Ralph Woodrow was so obsessed with Hislop that he wrote his own book called "Babylon Mystery Religion". HOWEVER - when doing some actual research for a follow-up book, he discovered to his horror that his hero Hislop simply INVENTED all of his nonsense.

Woodrow quickly pulled his book from print and published a work debunking Hislop called "The Babylon Connection?" He now runs a website APOLOGIZING for his first book and trying to make sure that people know about Hislop's garbage.

Apparently - YOU didn't get the memo . . .

But here are a few things of Mary that have roots in ancinet religions:

The title “Queen of Heaven” has long been associated with Mary, but it, too, has pagan origins. In ancient Babylon, the goddess Ishtar was worshipped as the Queen of Heaven, a title later used for the Virgin Mary in Christian hymns and prayers.

Mary, Mother of Jesus: The Cosmic Queen and Her Pagan Origins

Mary, the mother of Jesus, is perhaps one of the most instantly recognizable figures in Western religious iconography. From Renaissance paintings to illuminated manuscripts, her serene face and iconic…

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Yes, there were virgin goddesses in ancient religions, particularly in Greek and Roman mythology. Notable examples include:

• Hestia: The Greek goddess of the hearth and home, known for her perpetual virginity.
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• Athena: Often referred to as "Athena Parthenos," she is recognized for her virginity and wisdom.
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• Artemis: The Greek goddess of the wilderness and hunt, also associated with virginity.
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• Vesta: The Roman equivalent of Hestia, known for her virginity and role in the Vestal Virgins.
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• Diana: Another Roman goddess associated with virginity, particularly in her worship by the Vestal Virgins.
  
  These goddesses were revered for their virginity and were often depicted as symbols of purity and independence in their respective cultures.

Soooo, that means what, exactly??

Jesus’s story seems to mirror many facets of pagan gods like Tammuz in Mesopotamia, Adonis in Syria, Attis in Asia Minor, and Horus in Egypt.

Krishna was –born of a Virgin, baptized in a riven, put to death, resurrected and ascended to Heaven. Do these things make you doubt the truth about Jesus?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oxymoron.

IOW what you Say you DO NOT DO..
YOU DO

How so?

Praying TO ANYTHING, IN Heaven…
Other THAN The Lord God… IS BY GOD,
IDOLATRY.

1 Sam 15
[23] For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Ex 2:
[3] Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
[4] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
[5] Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:

1Tim 2:
[5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Show me where the Bible says ANYTHING that forbids asking members of the Boy of Christ to pray for one another.

Chapter and Verse, please . . .

Pray TO God.
Pray FOR Saints.
Pray FOR Enemies.

Pray TO Dead People No.

First of all - they're not "dead".
They are more alike than YOU are because they have been made perfect.
God's stll working on YOU . . .

The problem is that YOU are ignorant of what “Pray” actually means.
Allow me to educate you . . .

Pray
verb \ˈprā\
Full Definition of pray
transitive verb
1: entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea<pray be careful>
2: to get or bring by praying

intransitive verb
1: to make a request in a humble manner
2: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving

You see - Adoration or worship is a secondary definition . . .

Pssst…
God has NO ISSUE with His “Hearing”!

No, He doesn’t. But He LOVES when members of the Body of Christ intercede for each other (Jam. 5:16, Rev. 5:8) . . .

Trust, Praise, Worship, Glory is FOR God.

Absolutely.

That’s why Catholics ONLY worship Him . . .

 

[Taken]

Is it possible to lose salvation?

YES.

Salvation is A GIFT…

The GIFT of Salvation WAS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY JESUS.

The GIFT of Salvation WAS OFFERED to the WHOLE World of Humans.

If you ARE A HUMAN, the Gift of Salvation WAS BOUGHT, PAID FOR YOU.

The GIFT of Salvation, WAS OFFERED TO YOU.

“IF” YOU Fail to Reach OUT AND TAKE YOUR OFFERED GIFT and Bodily Died… without Having TAKEN YOUR GIFT…
YES, you are in Jeopardy of Losing “your” Gift.

 

[LoveYeshua]

The claim says that salvation is a “gift” already bought for everyone, and that one only needs to “reach out and take it.” But Jesus never described salvation in such a shallow or automatic way. He did say it is offered freely by the grace of God, but He also said that those who receive it must follow Him, obey His words, and remain faithful until the end.

In Matthew 7:21 Jesus said, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.” This means salvation is not something that happens just by accepting a gift in words or in thought, but by walking in obedience to God’s will.

He explained the same truth in John 15:5–6 when He said, “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit… If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered.” The picture is clear: those who remain in Him will live, but those who turn away lose their place. So salvation can indeed be lost by leaving the life of faith and obedience.

In the parable of the sower (Matthew 13:3–23), Jesus said that some receive the word with joy but later fall away when trials or temptations come. These people first accepted the message—they received the “gift”—but they did not hold it to the end. So again Jesus shows that starting is not enough; one must continue and endure.

Even the Old Testament warned of this. In Ezekiel 18:24 God said, “But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered.” This shows that turning away from God after knowing Him brings loss of life, not safety.

Jesus also said in Matthew 24:13, “But he who endures to the end shall be saved.” That means salvation is kept by faithfulness, not simply by claiming it once.

So, the truth is that salvation is indeed a gift, freely offered by God through Christ, but it must be accepted and keptthrough faith and obedience. A person can lose salvation not because the gift was taken away by God, but because he himself rejects it by turning back to sin or unbelief.

To say, as that statement does, that salvation was “bought and paid for every human” and only depends on “reaching out” makes it sound like everyone already owns it regardless of their heart or life. But Jesus never said that. He said, “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction… Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life” (Matthew 7:13–14). The gate is open, but not all will walk through it.

Therefore, salvation is not automatically secured forever at one moment of acceptance. It is a living covenant that must be honored. To keep it, one must follow Jesus, obey His words, and endure in love and faith until the end. Those who abandon the way, Jesus said, “will be cut off,” not because God withdraws His gift, but because they let go of it themselves.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Is it possible to lose salvation?

YES.

Salvation is A GIFT…

The GIFT of Salvation WAS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY JESUS.

The GIFT of Salvation WAS OFFERED to the WHOLE World of Humans.

If you ARE A HUMAN, the Gift of Salvation WAS BOUGHT, PAID FOR YOU.

The GIFT of Salvation, WAS OFFERED TO YOU.

“IF” YOU Fail to Reach OUT AND TAKE YOUR OFFERED GIFT and Bodily Died… without Having TAKEN YOUR GIFT…
YES, you are in Jeopardy of Losing “your” Gift.

Great. Please provide book,chapter and verses where God details how he reversed all that transpired in making us His new creation after receiving His gift.

Thanks in advance for providing those details.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Is there a good reason you wont tell us who in your family were chosen for Hell before they were born, while you were chosen for Heaven you believe???? @Christian Soldier
You dont want to answer this question?.
Ive asked you 6 times and i'll keep asking you, as the members and the MODS here need to see you as you really are, as a person.
(Your Character).
You are certainly continuing to give them clear evidence by continuing to avoid my question. @Christian Soldier

Also, Hyper-Calvinism is Calvinism taken to extremes.

You can read anything written by brightfame52 ......on this forum to find out what it sounds like.
It sounds like what you believe... @Christian Soldier

For example, a Hyper-Calvinist will Falsely claim that :

1.) "God causes all the evil in the world"
2.) and that "noone has free will"
3.) and that '"no one can choose to believe in Christ"...
4.) and that "some are predestined for Heaven, which means that the rest are predestined for Hell".

I know you devout Arminian's can't handle the truth of the gospel, so you need to invent lies and make false accusations to give your religion some validity.

I have never ever claimed to be a Calvinist, and you have no evidence to support your false accusation. I know you are a devout follower of Jacob Arminius, you blindly follow him while he leads you to the pits of hell.

As an elect Saint of God, I don't follow any man. I only follow the Lord Jesus, who s God Himself.

Now that I have enlightened you with the truth of the matter, you now know that I don't believe that ridiculous clam of yours that God choses some for hell before they were born. I never ever claimed to believe something so evil and God Himself never said He does something so evil. So the only one making these foolish, false accusations is you. "Satan" means false accuser, so you are a Satan as well.

One thing all liars and false accusers of the Brethren have in common, is they never ever have any evidence to support their lies and false accusations. The fact that you need to invent lies, to propagate your false Arminian version of the gospel speaks volumes about your faith in a fallen sinful man.

 

[Christian Soldier]

The claim says that salvation is a “gift” already bought for everyone, and that one only needs to “reach out and take it.” But Jesus never described salvation in such a shallow or automatic way. He did say it is offered freely by the grace of God, but He also said that those who receive it must follow Him, obey His words, and remain faithful until the end.

In Matthew 7:21 Jesus said, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.” This means salvation is not something that happens just by accepting a gift in words or in thought, but by walking in obedience to God’s will.

He explained the same truth in John 15:5–6 when He said, “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit… If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered.” The picture is clear: those who remain in Him will live, but those who turn away lose their place. So salvation can indeed be lost by leaving the life of faith and obedience.

In the parable of the sower (Matthew 13:3–23), Jesus said that some receive the word with joy but later fall away when trials or temptations come. These people first accepted the message—they received the “gift”—but they did not hold it to the end. So again Jesus shows that starting is not enough; one must continue and endure.

Even the Old Testament warned of this. In Ezekiel 18:24 God said, “But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered.” This shows that turning away from God after knowing Him brings loss of life, not safety.

Jesus also said in Matthew 24:13, “But he who endures to the end shall be saved.” That means salvation is kept by faithfulness, not simply by claiming it once.

So, the truth is that salvation is indeed a gift, freely offered by God through Christ, but it must be accepted and keptthrough faith and obedience. A person can lose salvation not because the gift was taken away by God, but because he himself rejects it by turning back to sin or unbelief.

To say, as that statement does, that salvation was “bought and paid for every human” and only depends on “reaching out” makes it sound like everyone already owns it regardless of their heart or life. But Jesus never said that. He said, “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction… Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life” (Matthew 7:13–14). The gate is open, but not all will walk through it.

Therefore, salvation is not automatically secured forever at one moment of acceptance. It is a living covenant that must be honored. To keep it, one must follow Jesus, obey His words, and endure in love and faith until the end. Those who abandon the way, Jesus said, “will be cut off,” not because God withdraws His gift, but because they let go of it themselves.

It doesn't matter which way you twist the scriptures, your Arminian version of the gospel, still falls flat on it's face when we shine the light of scripture on it.

You believe that man is "saved by keeping the law" that's was how Jacob Arminius interpreted the gospel. But this version of the gospel is perverted, because nobody is saved by t5gheir good works or keeping the law.

You will never find a single verse in the Bible, which says "in order to be saved, you must keep the law or do good works". That version of the gospel is an abomination in Gods sight, because it makes a mockery of the work Jesus did to purchase salvation for Gods elect.

The question, you Arminians need to ask, is why did God send His son to suffer and die, if you can save yourself by your good works and keeping the law????

 

[rvmb]

It doesn't matter which way you twist the scriptures, your Arminian version of the gospel, still falls flat on it's face when we shine the light of scripture on it.

You believe that man is "saved by keeping the law" that's was how Jacob Arminius interpreted the gospel. But this version of the gospel is perverted, because nobody is saved by t5gheir good works or keeping the law.

You will never find a single verse in the Bible, which says "in order to be saved, you must keep the law or do good works". That version of the gospel is an abomination in Gods sight, because it makes a mockery of the work Jesus did to purchase salvation for Gods elect.

The question, you Arminians need to ask, is why did God send His son to suffer and die, if you can save yourself by your good works and keeping the law????

""""if you can save yourself by your good works and keeping the law???? """
Confusion appears to start when believers fail to accept that Christ selected Paul to teach Salvation to believers today.
I don't see anywhere where Paul teaches that a believer today can become UNsaved, UNsealed or UNjustified.
Paul does teach that the life of a post-saved life of a believer will be subject to rewards/loss at the Judgement Seat of Christ yet remains saved.

 

[Taken]

How so?

Show me where the Bible says ANYTHING that forbids asking members of the Boy of Christ to pray for one another.

Dumb to ask me to provide you with proof for what you say and I didn’t say.

First of all - they're not "dead".

Contrary to what YOU say…THEY, the ManKIND of Being…THEIR BODY IS DEAD…and Remains, ON EARTH.

Can YOU PROVIDE a SCRIPTURAL Teaching For Mortally ALIVE men…
* TO: Bow Down before Statues?
* TO: PRAY / ASK Departed Souls of Men’s Bodies, TO intercede For THEM?
* TO: PRAY / ASK Departed Spirits of Men’s, Bodies, TO intercede For THEM?

ASKING …
is simply a means and method of Communication, specific For Making a Request.

AN UN-Saved Human man, HAS a GOD PROVIDED AUTHORITY Intercessor …
His Identity Revealed… Name JESUS.

PRAYING …
Is simply a means and method of Communication, specific For Making a Request TO a HIGHER AUTHORITY.

A Saved Human man, HAS a GOD PROVIDED AUTHORITY God Himself…
And Inclusion of IN JESUS’ NAME…
As Scripture Teaches, To KEEP Jesus IN Remembrance For HIS OWN Bodily Sacrifice, FOR the mans Sake.

You Pretending Living mortal men Were Taught By the Word of God, TO communicate, TO Pray TO TO Ask TO…ANY of the following…
Dead Bodies of mankind,
Departed souls of Dead bodies of mankind,
Departed spirits of Dead bodies of mankind,
Created holy angels,
Created fallen angels,
Bow Down before Living men,
Bow Down before statues of Living mankind.
Bow Down before statues of Dead mankind,
Bow Down before statues / images of any (dead or living human), of angels, of God, of Christ the Lord Jesus.

YOU Provide “Gods Scriptural Word, Teaching, For ANY such Teaching that YOUR Church Teaches for its members TO Do…and YOU yourself DO.”

I’ll wait… To See what you claim is Gods Word… teaching YOU to DO as … YOU Proclaim IS Gods Teaching.

Praise, Worship, Glory to The Lord God Almighty,

Taken

 

[LoveYeshua]

It doesn't matter which way you twist the scriptures, your Arminian version of the gospel, still falls flat on it's face when we shine the light of scripture on it.

You believe that man is "saved by keeping the law" that's was how Jacob Arminius interpreted the gospel. But this version of the gospel is perverted, because nobody is saved by t5gheir good works or keeping the law.

You will never find a single verse in the Bible, which says "in order to be saved, you must keep the law or do good works". That version of the gospel is an abomination in Gods sight, because it makes a mockery of the work Jesus did to purchase salvation for Gods elect.

The question, you Arminians need to ask, is why did God send His son to suffer and die, if you can save yourself by your good works and keeping the law????

Your words do not reflect what Jesus Himself taught. The truth is not found in man-made systems like “Arminian”. Jesus never called His followers by such names. He gave a simple message that combined faith, love, and obedience. Why do you use the words of men to label people?

You accuse others of “believing in salvation by keeping the law,” but that is not what Jesus taught nor what true believers follow. Jesus said that salvation is a gift from God, but He also said that to follow Him we must obey the Father. These are not opposites. They work together.

Jesus said in John 3:16, “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” This shows that salvation begins by believing in Him. But Jesus also said in Matthew 7:21, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.” So faith without obedience is not enough.

You say there is not a single verse that connects obedience or good works with salvation. Jesus Himself gave many. He said, “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17). He said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15). He said, “Why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?” (Luke 6:46). These are not the words of someone who teaches that obedience is meaningless.

When the rich man ignored the poor at his gate, Jesus said he was condemned, not because he broke a ritual law, but because he refused to show love and mercy (Luke 16:19–31). When He described the final judgment, He said people would be separated based on their actions like feeding the hungry, visiting the sick, helping the needy (Matthew 25:31–46).

None of this means that we earn salvation. It means that those who truly receive salvation will live by the Spirit and do what pleases God. As Jesus said, “A tree is known by its fruit” (Matthew 12:33).

So the real question is not “why did God send His Son if you can save yourself,” because no one can save themselves. The question is “why do you call Him Lord and refuse to do what He says?” He came not only to forgive sin but to lead us into a new life of obedience to God.

Jesus gave His life so we could be set free from sin, not so we could remain in it and claim we are saved while disobeying Him. True faith brings change, and that change shows itself in a life that keeps His word.

So you see, the gospel that Jesus preached is not a debate between man-made doctrines. It is a call to believe, to repent, to love, and to obey the Father through His Son. That is the light of Scripture, and it cannot be twisted.

 

[Behold]

I know you devout Arminian's can't handle the truth of the gospel,

Im not an "arminian".

Also...

Is there a good reason you wont tell us who in your family were chosen for Hell before they were born, while you were chosen for Heaven you believe???? @Christian Soldier
You dont want to answer this question?.
You can't face it like an adult?
Listen...You are the one teaching that some people are predestned for Hell before they are born.... so, who in your family is predesined for Hell, and and why were you not.. @Christian Soldier
So...Ive now asked you 7 times and i'll keep asking you until you answer, as the members and the MODS here need to see you as you really are, as a person.
= (Your Character).
You are certainly continuing to give them clear evidence by continuing to avoid my question. @Christian Soldier

 

[Taken]

Great. Please provide book,chapter and verses where God details how he reversed all that transpired in making us His new creation after receiving His gift.

Thanks in advance for providing those details.

2 Cor 5:
[16] Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
[17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Criteria … A man IN Christ
Consequence …That man IS a new Creature.

The Change… From Flesh to Spiritual.
The Whole….. body, soul, spirit

1 Thes 5:
[23] And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and (whole) soul and (whole) body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The claim says that salvation is a “gift” already bought for everyone, and that one only needs to “reach out and take it.” But Jesus never described salvation in such a shallow or automatic way. He did say it is offered freely by the grace of God, but He also said that those who receive it must follow Him, obey His words, and remain faithful until the end.

Now you're on the hit list of the OSAS people

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Pray TO Dead People No.

Pssst…
God has NO ISSUE with His “Hearing”!

They don't know the Lord so they live in fear and as such they seek to attempt to go thru someone else all the time.

The so called protestants do the same thinking they are saved by going thru their pastor or their church to get to God.

It's all idolatry

 

[BreadOfLife]

Dumb to ask me to provide you with proof for what you say and I didn’t say.

Ahh, yes – another cop-out.
Just admit you couldn’t find anything.

Contrary to what YOU say…THEY, the ManKIND of Being…THEIR BODY IS DEAD…and Remains, ON EARTH.

I never said their flesh wasn‘t dead. I said THEY weren’t dead.

We see the disembodies souls of the martyrs in Heaven demanding justice (Rev. 6:9-10) – and they are VERY much alive . . .

Can YOU PROVIDE a SCRIPTURAL Teaching For Mortally ALIVE men…
* TO: Bow Down before Statues?
* TO: PRAY / ASK Departed Souls of Men’s Bodies, TO intercede For THEM?
* TO: PRAY / ASK Departed Spirits of Men’s, Bodies, TO intercede For THEM?

ASKING …
is simply a means and method of Communication, specific For Making a Request.

AN UN-Saved Human man, HAS a GOD PROVIDED AUTHORITY Intercessor …
His Identity Revealed… Name JESUS.

PRAYING …
Is simply a means and method of Communication, specific For Making a Request TO a HIGHER AUTHORITY.

YOU just PRAYTED to ME. Your above request in RED was a PRAYER.
What part of that are you having difficulty understanding?? I gave you the very definition of “Pray” – and you don’t seem to get it. Let me go even further . . .

Not ONLY does Pray simply mean, to ASK or REQUEST. To make a PLEA. “Pray” comes from the Latin, precari, the Italian variation of which is pregare. In Spanish, it is preguntar.

Pray” is a legal, juridical term that is used in official court documents: https://www.legalbriefai.com/legal-terms/pray
- "The plaintiff prays for damages in the amount of $50,000 …”
- "The defendant prays that the court dismiss the case …”
- "The prayer in the complaint sought $10,000 in damages …”

A Saved Human man, HAS a GOD PROVIDED AUTHORITY God Himself…
And Inclusion of IN JESUS’ NAME…
As Scripture Teaches, To KEEP Jesus IN Remembrance For HIS OWN Bodily Sacrifice, FOR the mans Sake.

You Pretending Living mortal men Were Taught By the Word of God, TO communicate, TO Pray TO TO Ask TO…ANY of the following…
Dead Bodies of mankind,
Departed souls of Dead bodies of mankind,
Departed spirits of Dead bodies of mankind,
Created holy angels,
Created fallen angels,

We don’t pray to dead bodies . . .
We don’t pray to created fallen angels. . .

We CAN and DO pray to souls of the Saints in Heaven . . .
We CAN and DO pray to Angels in Heaven . . .

Bow Down before Living men,
Bow Down before statues of Living mankind.
Bow Down before statues of Dead mankind,
Bow Down before statues / images of any (dead or living human), of angels, of God, of Christ the Lord Jesus.

Bowing down in worship to any of these would be idolatry. We don’t bow down TO statues of …
Living mankind …
Dead mankind …
Statues or images of ANYONE.

We bow down in prayer (worship) to GOD alone. Statues are merely reminders – they are NOT gods.
Lear the difference . . .

Praise, Worship, Glory to The Lord God Almighty,

Absolutely. But, “Prayer” (requests) can be towards ANYONE, as I have amply shown . . .