Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Because of this, wrath has gone out against you from the Lord.

[Chrysostomos]

It's amazing how many protestant evangelical believers consider Catholics to be Christians in the same sense as born again believers these days. Just for instance, J.D. Vance is considered to be Christian by many, but he is not born again, he is Catholic. Catholicism is NOT the Christianity that Jesus and the apostles brought us. We need to be unequivocal and clear in understanding that it is a lying counterfeit and it's purpose is to deceive and ensnare souls....it is ruled by another spirit, not the Spirit of God.

Your post accusing Catholicism of being a "lying counterfeit" ruled by "another spirit" is a stark reminder of the double standards you've shown throughout this thread. You've spent dozens of messages pleading for "balance" and "love" toward modern Jews—many of whom reject Christ (99.7%, CBS/Pew 2025) and follow the Babylonian Talmud, which blasphemes Jesus as a sorcerer and bastard (Sanhedrin 43a, 107b)—insisting we should love and we must not "judge" them or risk antisemitism, all while citing the Holy Spirit.

Yet, for Catholics—who confess Jesus as Lord, accept His divinity, and share the Nicene Creed—you draw a hard line: they're not "born again," not true Christians, ensnared by deception. Where's the "balance" there? Where's the empathy for "prodigal sons" or the "Holy Spirit opening verses" to love them unconditionally?

This hypocrisy is glaring. When Jews push a Third Temple denying Christ's sacrifice and aligning with Antichrist prophecy (2 Thessalonians 2:3–4), you warn against "harshness" and "mental blocks," as if calling out their rejection is unloving.
But for Catholics, who affirm the Trinity and resurrection, you label their faith a "counterfeit" ruled by demons. You twist "love your enemies" (Matthew 5:44) to excuse Talmudic blasphemy, yet apply no such mercy to the Church that produced the canon of Scripture you quote. It's selective love: unconditional for those hating the Lord, but judgment for fellow believers.

You "balance" by ignoring Jewish rejection of Christ while condemning Catholics as non-Christians—classic double standards.
If the Holy Spirit truly "opened" this to you, why the bias? Why not apply the same "mercy" to Catholics as to Talmud-followers? Your "love" looks like favoritism, not Christ's impartiality.

Woe to you, hypocrites!

 

[Chrysostomos]

Unfortunately you are not understanding what God is saying in that 2 Chron 19 scripture. It needs to be "rightly divided".

Your hypocrisy is blatant. You preach “love” and “balance” for Jews who reject Christ (99.7%, CBS/Pew 2025) and follow the Talmud’s blasphemies (Sanhedrin 43a, 107b), excusing their Third Temple that denies Christ’s sacrifice with “Holy Spirit” claims and calls not to judge.
Yet you actively attack Catholics, writing: “Catholicism is NOT the Christianity that Jesus and the apostles brought us… it is a lying counterfeit… ruled by another spirit, not the Spirit of God” (#463 ). You even liked Brakelite’s post calling the Pope the Antichrist and the Catholic Church “satanically deceptive”.

Where’s your “balance” for Catholics who confess Jesus as Lord, the Trinity, and the Resurrection? You coddle Talmudic Christ-haters but brand Catholic believers as demonic.

John 3:19: “Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.”

You chose to love the darkness—defending blasphemous Talmudists, attacking Christ-confessing Catholics, and cheering Brakelite’s anti-Catholic tirade.
That’s not Christianity. It’s Satanic double standards.

 

[amigo de christo]

Maybe the issue is that you have bad taste? Just because you haven’t found a single book worth recommending doesn’t mean there aren’t great books out there.

Well i would have agreed that i had bad taste , CEPT I SURE LOVE READING that HOLY GOD inspired book called the bible .
SO the truth is , them books i have read and rejected is for one reason and one alone .
THEY contradicted the TRUTH .
But as i said i have not read all other books . But the ones i did , oh no , not good at all .

 

[amigo de christo]

When you say that, are you talking about American Christian Zionists?

They are surely in that group . but they are not the only group that the well favored harlot has infected .
Many within christendom has she infected .
What i say to one , i say to all , we better bible up for ourselves and be refreshed again in those lovely pages .
For there is many a man and many a woman that do lead this people not only into error
but into the very lie itself .

 

[amigo de christo]

Your hypocrisy is blatant. You preach “love” and “balance” for Jews who reject Christ (99.7%, CBS/Pew 2025) and follow the Talmud’s blasphemies (Sanhedrin 43a, 107b), excusing their Third Temple that denies Christ’s sacrifice with “Holy Spirit” claims and calls not to judge.
Yet you actively attack Catholics, writing: “Catholicism is NOT the Christianity that Jesus and the apostles brought us… it is a lying counterfeit… ruled by another spirit, not the Spirit of God” (#463 ). You even liked Brakelite’s post calling the Pope the Antichrist and the Catholic Church “satanically deceptive”.

Where’s your “balance” for Catholics who confess Jesus as Lord, the Trinity, and the Resurrection? You coddle Talmudic Christ-haters but brand Catholic believers as demonic.

John 3:19: “Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.”

You chose to love the darkness—defending blasphemous Talmudists, attacking Christ-confessing Catholics, and cheering Brakelite’s anti-Catholic tirade.
That’s not Christianity. It’s Satanic double standards.

Incorrect my friend . She has warned against all as have i myself .
WE dont pick and choose which shade of darkness to sit under .
We sit under no darkness and expose the works of darkness and all places which lead this people
and have led thier people into even greater darkness .
No one gets coddled in their sin on t his watch .
We do not pick either side of politicans
we do not pick either the RCC or the protestant
WE choose JESUS CHRIST and shall do what we can by grace to help who we can . WHICH sure does
include warning and correction .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Incorrect my friend . She has warned against all as have i myself .
WE dont pick and choose which shade of darkness to sit under .
We sit under no darkness and expose the works of darkness and all places which lead this people
and have led thier people into even greater darkness .
No one gets coddled in their sin on t his watch .
We do not pick either side of politicans
we do not pick either the RCC or the protestant
WE choose JESUS CHRIST and shall do what we can by grace to help who we can . WHICH sure does
include warning and correction .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

They are surely in that group . but they are not the only group that the well favored harlot has infected .
Many within christendom has she infected .
What i say to one , i say to all , we better bible up for ourselves and be refreshed again in those lovely pages .
For there is many a man and many a woman that do lead this people not only into error
but into the very lie itself .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

Maybe the issue is that you have bad taste? Just because you haven’t found a single book worth recommending doesn’t mean there aren’t great books out there.

What i say to one i say to all .
Remember when i said that those who often accuse us of doing something are they themselves the ones actually
doing it .
What is the title of this thread . Should we love those who hate the LORD and help those who do so .
TELL me my friend
is any here a co helper to THIS FINDING COMMON GROUND , INCLUSIVE INTERFAITH
IF SO they help THOSE WHO HATE GOD , they support those who hate GOD .
And they wont be getting their beloved peace n safety either. FOR THIS COMETH THE WRATH OF GOD upon them all .
SO
are we a supporter of the RCC and her ecumincal cry
are we a suppoter of the nar realm
IF SO , WE SUPPORT and HELP those who hate the LORD . Lets really examine ourselves
SO as THEN we can see clearly HOW to help the other .
YOU been accusing this lizbeth of many false accusations . BUT YET , WHO DO YOU SUPPORT

 

[Lizbeth]

What do you base this accusation on?

They believe that Jesus is Christ, that Jesus is God, that He died and was resurrected and they confess it. So, they are saved.

And the fruit of the Spirit is also visible in many of them, as I mentioned. Yes, they have plenty of doctrines I do not agree with, but it is also true about many protestants or orthodox Christians.

I know that most Catholics are not saved.....their belief is their own, not of God's spirit. I grew up Catholic and once the Lord got hold of me by His Spirit with faith not of my own, but was/is of His Spirit, my eyes were opened and I knew the difference. Even then I wasn't quite sure how to think of the Catholic church....whether to regard it as being in fact "Christian with error", I just didn't know how to think of it in a general sense, other than recognizing that there was no life there and much sin there, and to avoid it. Not long ago the Lord gave me a download from heaven, showing me unequivocably that the spirit ruling that institution is not His Spirit, but another. He immediately then went on to show me this wisdom, that mixture is unequivocably not of Him, but is the unclean thing that we need to "come out of" lest we be involved with her sins (held partially responsible for) and partake of her plagues/judgments. This unfortunately applies to large swaths of the protestant realm too these days....they are falling away. As Christosomos likes to quote that 2 Chron 19 scripture...that would apply to "loving and helping" such entities as the Catholic institution too, I'm afraid. "If ye have not the Spirit ye are none of His", the apostle Paul wrote. "Ye MUST be born again", Jesus said. That means to be begotten of His Spirit... a new spiritual birth.

Mere mental belief of the carnal mind and using His name and seeking to establish one's own righteousness, is not what saves one. It is the power of God that saves a soul....His Spirit taking up residence in the person. We need to understand what GOD means in different places in scripture by "loving" or "hating". People can quote scripture and call themselves Christian all the day long and say they love Jesus and try to follow rules, but they can still "hate" the true Christ and gospel by simply rejecting and not espousing it. Sometimes by "loving or hating" in scripture it is talking about hating the error and not choosing that person, or loving someone in the sense of choosing them. We need to reject (hate) what is of mixture and choose (love) what is pure, right and true, as the Lord does. So we must not love and support Catholicism or Talmudic Judaism.....or false fallen protestantism either......but we can and should love the individual souls who are captive of those things in the sense of doing good to them and try to reach them with the truth.

 

[MatthewG]

I know that most Catholics are not saved.....

How? You judging a whole group of people who will tell you they believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus?


Same with Mormons, and Jehovah witness....

There are people who believe and dont believe. Its not that hard... there are people who say they believe and don't have faith or love.

 

[MatthewG]

“Just because someone doesn’t believe in the Trinity, or maybe they’ve got doctrinal issues… doesn’t mean they aren’t having a relationship with God.”

“The Lord knows those who are His.” — 2 Timothy 2:19
“Man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.” — 1 Samuel 16:7
“Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls.” — Romans 14:4
“If anyone loves God, this one is known by Him.” — 1 Corinthians 8:3

“I don’t understand these judgmental people.”
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged.” — Matthew 7:1–2
“Speak evil of no one, be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men.” — Titus 3:2
“Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification.” — Ephesians 4:29

“Is that what life is truly about… just condemning people? Or pointing out where they don’t square up with you personally?”

“For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.” — John 3:17
“Mercy triumphs over judgment.” — James 2:13
“Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.” — Galatians 5:26
“Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.” — Galatians 6:2

 

[Lizbeth]

Your post accusing Catholicism of being a "lying counterfeit" ruled by "another spirit" is a stark reminder of the double standards you've shown throughout this thread. You've spent dozens of messages pleading for "balance" and "love" toward modern Jews—many of whom reject Christ (99.7%, CBS/Pew 2025) and follow the Babylonian Talmud, which blasphemes Jesus as a sorcerer and bastard (Sanhedrin 43a, 107b)—insisting we should love and we must not "judge" them or risk antisemitism, all while citing the Holy Spirit.

Yet, for Catholics—who confess Jesus as Lord, accept His divinity, and share the Nicene Creed—you draw a hard line: they're not "born again," not true Christians, ensnared by deception. Where's the "balance" there? Where's the empathy for "prodigal sons" or the "Holy Spirit opening verses" to love them unconditionally?

This hypocrisy is glaring. When Jews push a Third Temple denying Christ's sacrifice and aligning with Antichrist prophecy (2 Thessalonians 2:3–4), you warn against "harshness" and "mental blocks," as if calling out their rejection is unloving.
But for Catholics, who affirm the Trinity and resurrection, you label their faith a "counterfeit" ruled by demons. You twist "love your enemies" (Matthew 5:44) to excuse Talmudic blasphemy, yet apply no such mercy to the Church that produced the canon of Scripture you quote. It's selective love: unconditional for those hating the Lord, but judgment for fellow believers.

You "balance" by ignoring Jewish rejection of Christ while condemning Catholics as non-Christians—classic double standards.
If the Holy Spirit truly "opened" this to you, why the bias? Why not apply the same "mercy" to Catholics as to Talmud-followers? Your "love" looks like favoritism, not Christ's impartiality.

Woe to you, hypocrites!

You just have no ears to hear what I've been saying. I certainly don't agree with believers having anything to do with that Temple....it's going to be very deceptive and spiritually seductive, as the Lord was gracious to show me. Maybe my previous post this morning will help to clarify some things....interesting that I posted it before reading any other comments here....yet it lines up with and touches on things that others are mentioning. Hopefully I wasn't too rambly though.

 

[MatthewG]

“Just because someone doesn’t believe in the Trinity, or maybe they’ve got doctrinal issues… doesn’t mean they aren’t having a relationship with God.”

“The Lord knows those who are His.” — 2 Timothy 2:19
“Man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.” — 1 Samuel 16:7
“Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls.” — Romans 14:4
“If anyone loves God, this one is known by Him.” — 1 Corinthians 8:3

“I don’t understand these judgmental people.”
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged.” — Matthew 7:1–2
“Speak evil of no one, be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men.” — Titus 3:2
“Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification.” — Ephesians 4:29

“Is that what life is truly about… just condemning people? Or pointing out where they don’t square up with you personally?”

“For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.” — John 3:17
“Mercy triumphs over judgment.” — James 2:13
“Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.” — Galatians 5:26
“Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.” — Galatians 6:2

“Oh, I forgot—Scripture, in union with the Spirit of the Resurrected Lord Yeshua, is the only way your mind can truly be renewed.”
“Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.” — Romans 12:2
“Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.” — John 17:17
“The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.” — 2 Corinthians 3:6
“The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.” — John 6:63

“Sorry, sorry… it’s just been chopped up, split, and driven in so many directions. People quote ‘eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth’—but wait, Yeshua paid for those things.”
“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I tell you not to resist an evil person. Whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.” — Matthew 5:38–39
“He Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by His stripes you were healed.” — 1 Peter 2:24
“For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.” — John 1:17

“The Bible itself—people don’t read it. They find it non-useful.”
“My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.” — Hosea 4:6
“The natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him.” — 1 Corinthians 2:14
“All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.” — 2 Timothy 3:16

 

[HealthyShape]

I know that most Catholics are not saved.....their belief is their own, not of God's spirit. I grew up Catholic and once the Lord got hold of me by His Spirit with faith not of my own, but was/is of His Spirit, my eyes were opened and I knew the difference. Even then I wasn't quite sure how to think of the Catholic church....whether to regard it as being in fact "Christian with error", I just didn't know how to think of it in a general sense, other than recognizing that there was no life there and much sin there, and to avoid it. Not long ago the Lord gave me a download from heaven, showing me unequivocably that the spirit ruling that institution is not His Spirit, but another. He immediately then went on to show me this wisdom, that mixture is unequivocably not of Him, but is the unclean thing that we need to "come out of" lest we be involved with her sins (held partially responsible for) and partake of her plagues/judgments. This unfortunately applies to large swaths of the protestant realm too these days....they are falling away. As Christosomos likes to quote that 2 Chron 19 scripture...that would apply to "loving and helping" such entities as the Catholic institution too, I'm afraid. "If ye have not the Spirit ye are none of His", the apostle Paul wrote. "Ye MUST be born again", Jesus said. That means to be begotten of His Spirit... a new spiritual birth.

Mere mental belief of the carnal mind and using His name and seeking to establish one's own righteousness, is not what saves one. It is the power of God that saves a soul....His Spirit taking up residence in the person. We need to understand what GOD means in different places in scripture by "loving" or "hating". People can quote scripture and call themselves Christian all the day long and say they love Jesus and try to follow rules, but they can still "hate" the true Christ and gospel by simply rejecting and not espousing it. Sometimes by "loving or hating" in scripture it is talking about hating the error and not choosing that person, or loving someone in the sense of choosing them. We need to reject (hate) what is of mixture and choose (love) what is pure, right and true, as the Lord does. So we must not love and support Catholicism or Talmudic Judaism.....or false fallen protestantism either......but we can and should love the individual souls who are captive of those things in the sense of doing good to them and try to reach them with the truth.

Well, according to the Bible:

If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
R 10:9

There is only one test in the Bible, if the faith is real - the fruit of the Spirit, or, in James's version, charity.

I would be very careful to make judgements like "their faith is carnal mind faith" etc, because such formulations are not biblical and are not too useful in practical life. We can not measure who is born again in any other way than seeing their faith in words and actions.

 

[Lizbeth]

How? You judging a whole group of people who will tell you they believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus?


Same with Mormons, and Jehovah witness....

There are people who believe and dont believe. Its not that hard... there are people who say they believe and don't have faith or love.

Funny how a group of people (Catholics) who claim to be Christian will pull out all the stops to try and convince a non-Catholic who actually has met the Lord and been born again, that they are mistaken and they better drop their faith. LOL....except that it isn't funny where someone's eternal destiny is at stake. Enemies of the gospel and of the cross, I would call that regardless of how they might talk about the death and resurrection of Jesus. Under a spirit that is not God's. Nevertheless it is not for me to judge (in the sense of condemn) individual souls....but we sure do need to discern.

 

[Lizbeth]

Well, according to the Bible:

If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
R 10:9

There is only one test in the Bible, if the faith is real - the fruit of the Spirit, or, in James's version, charity.

I would be very careful to make judgements like "their faith is carnal mind faith" etc, because such formulations are not biblical and are not too useful in practical life. We can not measure who is born again in any other way than seeing their faith in words and actions.

Believe in your heart/spirit..........that is not talking about the carnal mind. And charity in those verses is not talking about fickle and selective human love. The Jews of the first century missed out on salvation because they were seeking to establish their own righteousness (in the name of God no less) instead of submitting to the righteousness of Christ which is only possible through Him. It's the "good" part of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that is always so seductive and deceptive. And God sure does know and see what is going on below the surface of things.

 

[MatthewG]

Funny, Gods the judge.

You are not the dictator.

Later.

 

[Marvelloustime]

What i say to one i say to all .
Remember when i said that those who often accuse us of doing something are they themselves the ones actually
doing it .
What is the title of this thread . Should we love those who hate the LORD and help those who do so .
TELL me my friend
is any here a co helper to THIS FINDING COMMON GROUND , INCLUSIVE INTERFAITH
IF SO they help THOSE WHO HATE GOD , they support those who hate GOD .
And they wont be getting their beloved peace n safety either. FOR THIS COMETH THE WRATH OF GOD upon them all .
SO
are we a supporter of the RCC and her ecumincal cry
are we a suppoter of the nar realm
IF SO , WE SUPPORT and HELP those who hate the LORD . Lets really examine ourselves
SO as THEN we can see clearly HOW to help the other .
YOU been accusing this lizbeth of many false accusations . BUT YET , WHO DO YOU SUPPORT

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

What folks pack their pipes with and smoke ,
well lets jus say
The surgeon general , or in this case the biblical general says
It aint nearly as harmless as the devil makes it out to be . IT WILL ILL affect the minds and make
men and women stagger far off the narrow path .

@amigo de christo

 

[HealthyShape]

Believe in your heart/spirit..........that is not talking about the carnal mind. And charity in those verses is not talking about fickle and selective human love. The Jews of the first century missed out on salvation because they were seeking to establish their own righteousness (in the name of God no less) instead of submitting to the righteousness of Christ which is only possible through Him. It's the "good" part of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that is always so seductive and deceptive. And God sure does know and see what is going on below the surface of things.

If you think you did not believe in your heart as a Roman Catholic, it does not mean that no other Roman Catholic does.

People can be just cultural Christians in all kinds of churches. And sincere, too.