How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

[HealthyShape]

That is why Yeshua called him My Father 50 times.....because He is his own Father. My Father in Heaven.
Three Gods sitting on three thrones.....Christ to the right of His Father....or does He sit on His lap?

Read the creed again. It does not say that Jesus is his own Father. I do not know where do you come with the nonsense you then "debunk" from.

 

[Grailhunter]

Yeah, I was in the top 5% of the US.

There are ZERO "Gods" in the Bible! There is one God. You are drastically confused.

That is How Yeshua ascended to His Father.....excuse me....ascended to Himself.
And begot Himself.....casting Himself in Miriam's womb.
Why Yeshua did not know when the end of time was but His Father Yahweh did.
In my Father's house are many mansions.....Not my House.
Yeshua never called the Temple His....it was His Father's Temple.

 

[Jack]

That is How Yeshua ascended to His Father.....excuse me....ascended to Himself.
And begot Himself.....casting Himself in Miriam's womb.
Why Yeshua did not know when the end of time was but His Father Yahweh did.
In my Father's house are many mansions.....Not my House.
Yeshua never called the Temple His....it was His Father's Temple.

Don't you even know that God can send Himself in the flesh? He did. There is ONLY one God!

 

[Grailhunter]

Ain't no "three Gods" in the Bible! You don't seem to know any Scripture to prove YOUR opinions.

From the CYB Statement of Faith: "We believe that God is the Creator, Sustainer, and Ruler of the universe. We attest that God has eternally existed in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three are co-equal and are one God. (Genesis 1:1, 26-27, Genesis 3:22, Deuteronomy 6:4, Psalm 90:2, John 1:1, John 10:30, Romans 3:30, II Corinthians 13:14, I Peter 1:2)"

The Father and Son and Holy Spirit appears in the Bible.
Count them 1 and 2 and 3......
People like the three in one because it sounds all hocus pocus.

 

[Grailhunter]

Don't you even know that God can send Himself in the flesh? He did. There is ONLY one God!

Air mail or email?

 

[Jack]

The Father and Son and Holy Spirit appears in the Bible.
Count them 1 and 2 and 3......
People like the three in one because it sounds all hocus pocus.

You're the one who believes in "Gods".

 

[Jack]

Air mail or email?

Mocking the Bible and the CYB Statement of Faith!

 

[St. SteVen]

It is a mistake to apply only the lexical meaning of the Greek word "logos" to John 1. Because Logos was also a philosophical-theological terminus technicus. This can not be found in a pure lexical Greek vocabulary.

When John says "the Logos", he refers to specific ("the") concept the readers would know about.

Sorry, but that sounds like absolute nonsense.
Where is there any proof of what you are projecting onto the scriptures?
Why do you think it does not clearly mean what it says?

A "philosophical-theological terminus technicus" became flesh and dwelt among us? - LOL

 

[Grailhunter]

Mocking the Bible and the CYB Statement of Faith!

humor.
People perpetuating a false belief.
When you see Yeshua ask Him if He has a Father....or if He is His own Father.

 

[HealthyShape]

Sorry, but that sounds like absolute nonsense.
Where is there any proof of what you are projecting onto the scriptures?
Why do you think it does not clearly mean what it says?

Again? Creeds, John 1, the cultural meaning of the term "Logos"...

A "philosophical-theological terminus technicus" became flesh and dwelt among us? - LOL

Come on Steven, this is cheap. Try harder. Or google what "terminus technicus" means.

 

[Jack]

humor.
People perpetuating a false belief.
When you see Yeshua ask Him if He has a Father....or if He is His own Father.

You seem to be struggling terribly to find "three Gods" in the Bible. That's because it ain't there!

 

[JLB]

Arius was a subordinationist who taught there was a point somewhere between Eternity-Past and 30 AD when the person we now know as Jesus Christ did not exist

‘This of course is false.


The Lord Jesus spoke through the mouth of the prophets in the Old Testament as YHWH.

The Spirit of the LORD God is the Spirit of Christ.


Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.
1 Peter 1: 10-11

 

[JLB]

You seem to be struggling terribly to find "three Gods" in the Bible. That's because it ain't there!

‘Jesus Christ is LORD; YHWH the LORD God of Israel.



that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.” Romans 10:9-13


What is the name of the LORD we call on to be saved?

 

[Jack]

‘Jesus Christ is LORD; YHWH the LORD God of Israel.

Amen!

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.” Romans 10:9-13

Amen!

What is the name of the LORD we call on to be saved?

Jesus or as the Complete Jewish Bible says, Yeshua. I think either would be accepted by God for salvation.

 

[St. SteVen]

Again? Creeds, John 1, the cultural meaning of the term "Logos"...


Come on Steven, this is cheap. Try harder. Or google what "terminus technicus" means.

Sorry.
You are not going to convince me that Jesus existed BEFORE the Logos became flesh.

 

[Jack]

Sorry.
You are not going to convince me that Jesus existed BEFORE the Logos became flesh.

Jesus always existed stevie, whether Satan's messengers believe it or not.

Do you believe the Bible is the Word of God? Why are you evading this simple question. Christians wouldn't! What's your religion? Don't have a clue?

 

[David in NJ]

I think it is a simple question to resolve.

No triune identity of God exists in the Old Testament.
Therefore,no triune identity of God can legitimately exist in the New Testament when the NT God is the same God of the Old Testament.

Elohim Said, Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness = Genesis 1:26

Moses/Genesis , the OT Prophet Isaiah , the LORD Jesus Christ, Apostle John and Apostle Paul all AGREE with Elohim = THREE

To say "no triune identity of God...." is to deny the clear Truth of Elohim spoken of from Genesis to Revelation= FATHER/WORD/HOLY SPIRIT

JESUS said that without THREE no one could be SAVED = Gospel

 

[David in NJ]

It would be nice if it was allowed to be an open discussion....especially here in the “unorthodox” forum.....but there are some things where being open is not permitted here ....sadly because too many people get hot under the collar about it....there is the convenient truth or the inconvenient lie......unless you can discuss it openly, the lies will persist because the truth is gagged.

Free speech is a blessing.....where it exists....and people can restrain themselves and accept that there are other opinions about a wide range of topics....including this one.

We really don’t really need this.... to defend is not to offend. Agree to disagree.

But do we offend Elohim when we deny His words? and even worse, speak against His Word

 

[Jack]

I do not see his posts (I have him in ignore), but I agree with what you wrote about the issues with the KJV. Well summarized.

Quoting Jesus puts lots of Christians on ignore lists!

 

[Jack]

It would be nice if it was allowed to be an open discussion....especially here in the “unorthodox” forum.....but there are some things where being open is not permitted here ....sadly because too many people get hot under the collar about it....there is the convenient truth or the inconvenient lie......unless you can discuss it openly, the lies will persist because the truth is gagged.

Free speech is a blessing.....where it exists....and people can restrain themselves and accept that there are other opinions about a wide range of topics....including this one.

We really don’t really need this.... to defend is not to offend. Agree to disagree.

So Aunty, do you still insist that Jesus' doctrine of Hell Fire and the CYB Statement of Faith are "Satanic"?