When will the earth be 6,000 years old?

[1stCenturyLady]

No, I am not taking that out of context. You need to read what Paul actually said, instead of defaulting what your preaches says Paul said. Paul showed in Rom.7 that our 'flesh' is subject to the 'law of sin'. But our spirit is spiritual and desires to follow God's law.

Rom 7:18-25
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
KJV

Paul's final statement reveals that our spirit will always be at war with our flesh while alive in these flesh bodies.

It means even when we TRY... not to sin, we slip up unconsciously and commit sin, because of that war by that "law of sin" in our fleshy members, our flesh body. Our flesh is responsible for most of our desires and wants, and sin.

This is why... Apostle John in 1 John 1 showed us what to do when we find ourselves having slipped up in future sin. He told us to repent and ask Jesus forgiveness, and Jesus is Just to heal us. This is also what John was showing to do per the following 1 John 2:1 verse...

1 John 2:1
2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
KJV

Now why would Apostle John be telling the Church to not sin if all their sins they could ever commit were already forgiven by Christ on the cross? and even that Jesus stands as our Advocate to The Father if we do... sin, with John pointing to future sin.

Further, we are ONLY dead to the law IF... and that's a BIG IF... we WALK BY THE SPIRIT. That is what Apostle Paul taught in Galatians 5. That means... if the believer instead walks by their flesh instead, THEY PUT THEMSELVES BACK UNDER THE LAW. Thus the law is not dead, for it was made for the sinner, and ungodly. And to walk by The Holy Spirit means not doing anything that is against God's law, which also is what Apostle Paul taught there in Galatians 5.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

Seeing as you claim to be in the flesh I can see why you don't understand that Romans 7:14-25 is about those under the law and are in the flesh. But the born again of the Spirit are no longer in the carnal flesh - the sin nature. We have been freed from sin. I speak for myself, as you have of yourself.

 

[Grailhunter]

The whole denominational thing today is just one big mess, which is why I am non-denominational, even though I was raised in a mainstream Protestant Church. For me, it's better to stay with what is actually written in God's Word, and refuse to play their men's doctrines game.

Good that the Apostles did not have that opinion.
You don’t think 1st century Christians had issues and disagreements?
The Christian community should have no association or unity?

I guess God does not deserve to have Christians gather and worship him and sing praises to him? Just who does He think He is asking us to be inconvenienced so and have to associate with other Christians.

The logic of arm chair Christians….imagine explaining to God why it was to much trouble for you to gather with other Christians and worship Him. 10,000 excuses will not satisfy Him.

Are you a Christian if you just say you are a Christian, but don’t do what Christians do? Go to church, get involved, be good and do good for others. Can you show your love for Christ, Christianity, and others Christians sitting in a Lazy-Boy.

Christianity is not a club…..it is a way of life…..or it is just for show.

 

[Grailhunter]

@Davy and @1stCenturyLady
Seems to me we need to do a study on sin.
First off if a sin is not listed in the New Testament clearly it is not a sin. Man-made sins do not count for anything.
There is a reason that Yeshua and the Apostles taught us what sin is. It is not because they did not want us to have fun…LOL.
If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it.” Genesis 4:7

Sinning is not just a transgression against Yeshua. Sinning brings harm and grief to us and others. And by teaching us what sin is Yeshua and the Apostles teach us of the things to avoid so we can lead a life for God and happiness for us.

Sinning is not just a transgression against Yeshua….A transgression against Yeshua, not Yahweh. Because of the Grace of Christ Yeshua, Yahweh does not see our sins. That is why it is said that Christ perfects us. Yahweh has always had zero tolerance for sin….He did not change. If he could see one sin He could not have a relationship with us. That is the significance of the veil being torn in two in the Temple when Yeshua “died” on the cross. We are no longer separated from Yahweh. And now we are in the family of God.

And yes salvation can be lost….but it is not an easy thing. Yahweh’s Son went through the passion and the cross to offer salvation to humanity, so the process is inclined to save not to condemn to Hell. Being right with the Godhead is not just about not sinning. It is about walking with Christ everyday and obeying Him and exhausting ourselves leading a Christian life. Walking with Christ, and when you stumble along the way, Yeshua will pick you up and dust you off an send you on your way because He likes what you are doing. Doing is just as important and not doing sin.

But although smoking and drinking is not a sin, not leading a Christian life is a great sin. Go to church be active in church and help others. Be good and do good the best you can. Or be honest with yourself and Christ and admit that being a Christian is just too much trouble.

 

[Davy]

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

Seeing as you claim to be in the flesh I can see why you don't understand that Romans 7:14-25 is about those under the law and are in the flesh. But the born again of the Spirit are no longer in the carnal flesh - the sin nature. We have been freed from sin. I speak for myself, as you have of yourself.

You have been wrongly taught to take Apostle Paul's metaphors and treat them as literal conditions of the flesh. Paul didn't do that. OF COURSE WE ALL alive on earth in flesh bodies are STILL IN THE FLESH, LITERALLY. You need to come to terms with that and quit lying to yourself. So HOW did Apostle Paul really mean that?

Apostle Paul was speaking metaphorically about not being in the flesh. He was speaking according to what he taught in Galatians 5 about us being dead to the law IF... we walk by The Holy Spirit. Don't you see the condition Paul also said in that above Romans 8:9 verse with, "... if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you"?

Your confusion I believe is probably caused by the use of the modern Bible translations which get away from Apostle Paul's teaching those things by making a distinction about our 'flesh', instead of using philosophical terms like 'sin nature' which comes from men's doctrines of humanism. Most preachers today hand out modern English Bible translations at baptisms now days, instead of the more accurate KJV Bible.

 

[Davy]

Good that the Apostles did not have that opinion.
You don’t think 1st century Christians had issues and disagreements?

Speaking of the early disciples at Christ's 1st coming, I'm sure they may have had some, but not on so many issues like the denominations do today, otherwise it would mean The Scriptures lie when it says Jesus taught them all things (Mark 4:32; Mark 13:23).

Now after Christ's ascension, and the formation of the Alexandria, Egypt Christian school, and the Roman Church, and Byzantine, that's different. Even not long after Paul's day the pagan Gnostics began bringing in doctrines of Greek Neoplatonism into the Church.

The Christian community should have no association or unity?

I don't know why you ask that, I never disagreed with association of Christ's many-membered body. I myself simply refuse to belong to any one specific Church ORGANIZATION. Though I'm a Protestant, even if I get invited to a Catholic Church I will tend to go. Same goes with a Pre-trib Rapture Church, which I am Post-trib; if invited I might go. Even in Revelation 2 and 3 with Jesus' seven Messages to the seven Churches He didn't rebuke everyone in the problem Churches, but instead the ones who were guilty and needed to repent.

But I STRONGLY believe one should go to a Church where they are fed The Word of God, and not a bunch of doctrines of men, and only put their money in the plate and go home, and think for the rest of the week that's all they should do.

 

[Grailhunter]

Speaking of the early disciples at Christ's 1st coming, I'm sure they may have had some, but not on so many issues like the denominations do today, otherwise it would mean The Scriptures lie when it says Jesus taught them all things (Mark 4:32; Mark 13:23).

Now after Christ's ascension, and the formation of the Alexandria, Egypt Christian school, and the Roman Church, and Byzantine, that's different. Even not long after Paul's day the pagan Gnostics began bringing in doctrines of Greek Neoplatonism into the Church.




I don't know why you ask that, I never disagreed with association of Christ's many-membered body. I myself simply refuse to belong to any one specific Church ORGANIZATION. Though I'm a Protestant, even if I get invited to a Catholic Church I will tend to go. Same goes with a Pre-trib Rapture Church, which I am Post-trib; if invited I might go. Even in Revelation 2 and 3 with Jesus' seven Messages to the seven Churches He didn't rebuke everyone in the problem Churches, but instead the ones who were guilty and needed to repent.

But I STRONGLY believe one should go to a Church where they are fed The Word of God, and not a bunch of doctrines of men, and only put their money in the plate and go home, and think for the rest of the week that's all they should do.

The Christian community should have no association or unity?
It was a joke.

Paul was a man.

Today you over 30,000 Protestant denominations. Find one to your liking. Christianity was meant to be filled with people, Christians that you should love.

 

[Davy]

@Davy and @1stCenturyLady
Seems to me we need to do a study on sin.
First off if a sin is not listed in the New Testament clearly it is not a sin. Man-made sins do not count for anything.

Right off the bat, I see problems with your suggestion, simply because Apostle Paul taught laws from the Old Testament that still apply per The New Covenant (1 Timothy 1; 1 Corinthians 6; Galatians 5).

And Apostle John taught in The New Testament that the definition of 'sin' is the 'transgression of the law'. So as much as many preachers try to get away from God's laws when preaching The New Covenant, the actual New Testament Scripture does not do that, but only what Lord Jesus nailed to His cross per Scripture like Colossians 2, Ephesians 2, and Hebrews 9.

 

[Grailhunter]

Right off the bat, I see problems with your suggestion, simply because Apostle Paul taught laws from the Old Testament that still apply per The New Covenant (1 Timothy 1; 1 Corinthians 6; Galatians 5).

And Apostle John taught in The New Testament that the definition of 'sin' is the 'transgression of the law'. So as much as many preachers try to get away from God's laws when preaching The New Covenant, the actual New Testament Scripture does not do that, but only what Lord Jesus nailed to His cross per Scripture like Colossians 2, Ephesians 2, and Hebrews 9.

Mosaic Laws.....Jewish Laws.
Are you going to sell your daughters as sex slaves....concubines that is Mosaic Law.
How about killing women that are raped....that is Mosaic Law.

 

[Davy]

The Christian community should have no association or unity?
It was a joke.

OK, but a lot brethren are very serious when they mention that subject, quoting Paul with not forsaking the assembly, when the KJV Bible actually says, "Not forsaking the assembling...", meaning to not be against the idea of gathering together. What Christian would ever be against that, for didn't Jesus say where two or more are gathered in My Name, He would be among them?

Thus I reject ORGANIZATIONS trying to make it out like one can ONLY be saved through one of their ORGANIZATIONS OF MEN who love to create their own authority over Christ's Ordaining and Authority, which was one of the main reasons why the 15th-16th century Protestant Reformation happened against the Roman Church.

Paul was a man.

Today you over 30,000 Protestant denominations. Find one to your liking. Christianity was meant to be filled with people, Christians that you should love.

You don't have worry about me; my calling in The LORD is sure.

 

[Davy]

Mosaic Laws.....Jewish Laws.
Are you going to sell your daughters as sex slaves....concubines.
How about killing women that are raped....that is Mosaic Law.

I see you're not going to be rational about this per the actual Bible Scripture. Not sure I want to converse like that.

Exactly where in God's written Word... did God's commandment to love thy neighbor as thyself originate?

(Anybody)

 

[Grailhunter]

OK, but a lot brethren are very serious when they mention that subject, quoting Paul with not forsaking the assembly, when the KJV Bible actually says, "Not forsaking the assembling...", meaning to not be against the idea of gathering together. What Christian would ever be against that, for didn't Jesus say where two or more are gathered in My Name, He would be among them?

Thus I reject ORGANIZATIONS trying to make it out like one can ONLY be saved through one of their ORGANIZATIONS OF MEN who love to create their own authority over Christ's Ordaining and Authority, which was one of the main reasons why the 15th-16th century Protestant Reformation happened against the Roman Church.



You don't have worry about me; my calling in The LORD is sure.

A thousand and one reasons and excuses for not going to church. LOL Tell it Christ on Judgment day.
The early Christians risked their lives to assemble and worship the Lord....now a days you need a cattle prod to get them to church.

 

[Grailhunter]

I see you're not going to be rational about this per the actual Bible Scripture. Not sure I want to converse like that.

Exactly where in God's written Word... did God's commandment to love thy neighbor as thyself originate?

(Anybody)

613 Mosiac Laws.....
Some of the basic morality carried over to Christianity......do you separate your cattle by color?
Engraved images.....have any?

 

[Davy]

A thousand and one reasons and excuses for not going to church. LOL Tell it Christ on Judgment day.
The early Christians risked their lives to assemble and worship the Lord....now a days you need a cattle prod to get them to church.

And again I say that is dependent upon there being a TRUE CHURCH that ACTUALLY TEACHES THE WORD OF GOD available. One should go WHERE THEY ARE FED like Christ commanded Peter to feed His sheep. And I have already... told you I am NOT against the 'assembling' together of the saints. BUT YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY HARD OF HEARING.

SO THIS IS FOR BRETHREN IN CHRIST JESUS, AND NOT YOU, SINCE YOU ARE SO HARD OF HEARING:

Brethren in Christ, you do NOT have to attend a Church where you do NOT feel sent by The LORD. Just because you may have been baptized at a specific Church does NOT mean that Church only holds authority over you. That is exactly how 'some' that come here, who may be preachers over a Church, WANT you to think, that once you get baptized in Christ by them, that they OWN you, and that you should ONLY attend THEIR CHURCH.

I actually have a relative that was baptized at a specific Church, but then went to another Church. And when he brought his brother to get baptized in the original Church that baptized him, that Church refused to baptize his brother. It wasn't because his brother didn't believe and have Faith in Jesus Christ and was ready for repentance. It was because his brother who had originally been baptized in that Church didn't do attendance at the specific Church anymore.

 

[MatthewG]

613 Mosiac Laws.....
Some of the basic morality carried over to Christianity......do you separate your cattle by color?
Engraved images.....have any?

Dont forget after the fact that Jesus having 1050 commandments to the bride of Christ in that day.

I'm so thankful for the first-century church, the bride of Christ, who did what none of us could ever do.

 

[Grailhunter]

And again I say that is dependent upon there being a TRUE CHURCH that ACTUALLY TEACHES THE WORD OF GOD available. One should go WHERE THEY ARE FED like Christ commanded Peter to feed His sheep. And I have already... told you I am NOT against the 'assembling' together of the saints. BUT YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY HARD OF HEARING.

SO THIS IS FOR BRETHREN IN CHRIST JESUS, AND NOT YOU, SINCE YOU ARE SO HARD OF HEARING:

Brethren in Christ, you do NOT have to attend a Church where you do NOT feel sent by The LORD. Just because you may have been baptized at a specific Church does NOT mean that Church only holds authority over you. That is exactly how 'some' that come here, who may be preachers over a Church, WANT you to think, that once you get baptized in Christ by them, that they OWN you, and that you should ONLY attend THEIR CHURCH.

I actually have a relative that was baptized at a specific Church, but then went to another Church. And when he brought his brother to get baptized in the original Church that baptized him, that Church refused to baptize his brother. It wasn't because his brother didn't believe and have Faith in Jesus Christ and was ready for repentance. It was because his brother who had originally been baptized in that Church didn't do attendance at the specific Church anymore.

If you think you know the truth.....go to church and talk about it in stead of finding fault.

 

[Davy]

613 Mosiac Laws.....
Some of the basic morality carried over to Christianity......do you separate your cattle by color?
Engraved images.....have any?

Can't answer the question, huh?


I wonder where... Paul got that idea to love thy neighbour as thyself, and even Lord Jesus too in Mark 12:31?

Gal 5:14
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
KJV

Rom 13:9
9 For this, 'Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet'; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, 'Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.'
KJV

Mark 12:30-31
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, 'Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.' There is none other commandment greater than these.
KJV

 

[Grailhunter]

Dont forget after the fact that Jesus having 1050 commandments to the bride of Christ in that day.

I'm so thankful for the first-century church, the bride of Christ, who did what none of us could ever do.

1050 commandments? Can you list them?

 

[Davy]

If you think you know the truth.....go to church and talk about it in stead of finding fault.

I don't have to hunt... for the FAULT some brethren have, they do their own SHOW AND TELL revealing their false attitude.

 

[MatthewG]

1050 commandments? Can you list them?

https://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201407/r1308729_17984331.pdf

Im so happy they fulfilled them, the first century bride.

 

[MatthewG]

I don't have to hunt... for the FAULT some brethren have, they do their own SHOW AND TELL revealing their false attitude.

What if they are just being their real self rather than a fake fraud? I am not talking about you specifically, but I am just saying in general... as a general question...

There are people that suggest you need the right hair line, the right eyeliner, the right speech, the right words, or whatever.

Thats a bunch fake bullcrap.