Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Because of this, wrath has gone out against you from the Lord.

[Chrysostomos]

That's nonsense, we're done.

Much love!

What you’re writing is the real nonsense. You rely on Matthew 5:43–48, but look just a bit earlier:

“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother without cause will be liable to judgment; whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the Sanhedrin; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ will be liable to the fires of hell.” (Matthew 5:21–22)

So, in one place Jesus says that someone who is angry with his brother without cause should be judged, and someone who insults his brother with a word deserves the fires of hell, that is, death.

But then, according to you, just a bit later in the same chapter 5 of the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus supposedly says to love:
- Criminals: pedophiles, murderers, rapists, thieves, swindlers…
- Military enemies
- Satanists: sorcerers, witches, devil-worshippers

That’s the nonsense, and you’re teaching this nonsense.
You’re twisting Scripture into a contradictory mess

I explained this clearly—see posts #184 and #185–187.

And none of this Perverted Preachers nonsense about doing good to murderers or military enemies and loving Satan and his followers.

 

[amigo de christo]

So you’re saying most churches have “tanked,” and you’re the last man standing in your own little bunker?

I am saying what very few are willing to say .
As more and more are running to satan and his well beloved harlot
who has sold this world a love and a unity that all religoins ,even athiest can agree upon .
ONLY , YEAH a LIE DONT SAVE .
On the day of the LORD all who were bunkered down in that harlot
no matter how deep they dig to hide , there will be no place For them to HIDE .
Now enough with this interfaith ecumenical harlot led stuff .
Time to come out of her and time to preach JESUS and all Biblical doctrine .
You , my dear sir , can do with this as you please .

 

[Marvelloustime]

I am saying what very few are willing to say .
As more and more are running to satan and his well beloved harlot
who has sold this world a love and a unity that all religoins ,even athiest can agree upon .
ONLY , YEAH a LIE DONT SAVE .
On the day of the LORD all who were bunkered down in that harlot
no matter how deep they dig to hide , there will be no place For them to HIDE .
Now enough with this interfaith ecumenical harlot led stuff .
Time to come out of her and time to preach JESUS and all Biblical doctrine .
You , my dear sir , can do with this as you please .

@amigo de christo

 

[marks]

But then, according to you, just a bit later in the same chapter 5 of the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus supposedly says to love:
- Criminals: pedophiles, murderers, rapists, thieves, swindlers…
- Military enemies
- Satanists: sorcerers, witches, devil-worshippers

You think you have this great "gotcha question", but the fact is Jesus addressed this very plainly, very simply, love everyone the same, just like God does.

Yes, murderers are subject to judgment. You seem to think that because they are worthy of God's judgment that somehow means you aren't supposed to love them, even though Jesus said clearly that you are to love everyone the same, just as God does.

Much love!

 

[Chrysostomos]

Honestly, this is is a boring conversation. I will rather wait for something more interesting.

I think that I said quite enough in the first posts about it - for example Mariology, priesthood, complicated ceremonies...

Honestly, I thought this would be more interesting. I was expecting you to talk about tight-knit reformed communities, where everyone knows and helps each other—something unique.

Instead, you just pointed out what you don’t like about Catholics: Mariology, priesthood, complicated ceremonies. So, in the end, your churches are pretty much the same—just with different traditions and setups swapped in.

 

[Chrysostomos]

You think you have this great "gotcha question", but the fact is Jesus addressed this very plainly, very simply, love everyone the same, just like God does.

Yes, murderers are subject to judgment. You seem to think that because they are worthy of God's judgment that somehow means you aren't supposed to love them, even though Jesus said clearly that you are to love everyone the same, just as God does.

Much love!

This time, let’s read John 3.
John 3:18–20 and 3:36 (NIV) state: “
Whoever does not believe stands condemned already”
and
“whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.”

The Christian concept of salvation implies a threat.
Jesus repeatedly said: How do you think you’ll escape God’s wrath?

So, there is God’s wrath, from which salvation comes only through faith in Jesus Christ.
But those who reject Jesus will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.

It’s obvious that in Matthew 5, Jesus was talking about relationships within the church, about “""sanē" (נַאֲךָ)—"hater, adversary, personal enemy."", and, so to speak, petty disputes among believers.

I explained this clearly—see posts #184 and #185–187.

And none of this Perverted Preachers nonsense about doing good to murderers or military enemies and loving Satan and his followers.

 

[marks]

And none of this Perverted Preachers nonsense about doing good to murderers or military enemies and loving Satan and his followers.

I don't think anyone has opportunity to love Satan. You can only love those who are around you. I don't mean love as a warm feeling of affection, rather, love in the Bible is a action word, a commitment word, that you are committed to the wellbeing of the beloved.

Much love!

 

[NotTheRock]

Jesus does not teach to love:
- criminals: pedophiles, murderers, rapists, thieves, swindlers…
- military enemies
- Satanists: sorcerers, witches, devil-worshippers

I explained this clearly—see posts #184 and #185–187.

 

[Chrysostomos]

Of course. It is the HOLY Spirit.

You may be reading what I write but you sure aren't understanding it.

I get what you're saying, perfectly clear.

Funny how a group of people (Catholics) who claim to be Christian will pull out all the stops to try and convince a non-Catholic who actually has met the Lord and been born again, that they are mistaken and they better drop their faith. LOL....except that it isn't funny where someone's eternal destiny is at stake. Enemies of the gospel and of the cross, I would call that regardless of how they might talk about the death and resurrection of Jesus. Under a spirit that is not God's. Nevertheless it is not for me to judge (in the sense of condemn) individual souls....but we sure do need to discern.

Your double standards are glaring: You demonize Catholics—who confess Jesus as Lord, the Trinity, and the Resurrection—as enemies of the gospel, wielding Scripture that Catholics compiled into one canon under the guidance of the Holy Spirit at councils like Carthage (397 AD). Yet, you forbid judging Jews who curse Christ and deny His Messiahship. You lean on a supposed “download from heaven” to vilify Catholics, while citing the same “Holy Spirit” to excuse Talmudists pushing an anti-Christ agenda.

By "balance" I am talking about reminding people not to be anti-semitic. Your posts sometimes sound rather harsh to my ears and I'm concerned about the potential for anti-semitism. I am just trying to balance the things you are saying with reminders that we as Christians should have love for the Jews and not sit in judgment over them.

Woe to you, hypocrites!

 

[Chrysostomos]

You better not step into the bible and call yourself a Christian either then........I haven't been bringing or saying anything different from what Jesus and the apostles said and taught....but unfortunately you have no ears to hear or eyes to see.

"Awake thou that sleepest and Christ will give thee light (understanding)."

Your logic is absurd, and your hypocrisy is glaring.

You claim to echo Jesus and the apostles, but you demonize Catholics—who confess Jesus as Lord, the Trinity, and the Resurrection—as enemies of the gospel, while wielding Scripture that Catholics compiled into one canon under the guidance of the Holy Spirit at councils like Carthage (397 AD). Without those councils, you’d have no Bible. Yet, you forbid judging Jews who curse Christ and deny His Messiahship (Sanhedrin 43a, 107b), excusing their blasphemy.
You lean on your supposed “download from heaven” to vilify Catholics, while invoking the same “Holy Spirit” to coddle Talmudists pushing an anti-Christ agenda.

Why shouldn’t I turn to the Bible or call myself a Christian? Because I reject your hypocrisy?
The Bible you quote was canonized by the very Church you slander.

Meanwhile, you give a free pass to those who reject Jesus outright, claiming some divine insight. Your “awake thou that sleepest” (Ephesians 5:14) jab is laughable—you’re the one asleep, blind to your own double standards.
You cherry-pick Scriptures to condemn one group while shielding another’s rejection of Christ. That’s not apostolic teaching; it’s hypocrisy.

 

[Chrysostomos]

We were all once sinners before we came to Christ. While we were yet without strength Christ died for the ungodly. We certainly should not be unequally yoked with the unbelieving and sinners and agree or join in with them......however we are to show them the same love and mercy that Christ showed to us when we were yet in our sins. Love the sinner, hate their sins.

Rom 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Or are you suggesting we should judge/condemn them as you appear to be doing? The Lord still saves sinners and rescues them out of the mud and mire. But you don't understand salvation since you think it is a ritual.

You’re pushing a warped “love everyone” narrative that crumbles under scrutiny.
Let’s start with John 3:16: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” The key is “whoever believes in Him.” Salvation is for those who believe in Christ, not every unrepentant rejector of Him.

John 3:18–20 and 3:36 (NIV) make it crystal clear: “Whoever does not believe stands condemned already” and “whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.” God’s love in John 3:16 is an offer of salvation to a fallen world, but those who spurn Christ stay under His wrath.

So how do you leap from this to claiming Jesus teaches us to love:
- Criminals: pedophiles, murderers, rapists, thieves, swindlers…
- Military enemies
- Satanists: sorcerers, witches, devil-worshippers

Jesus Himself gives an exception, even for personal enemies. In Matthew 18:15–17 (NIV), He says if a brother sins against you and refuses to repent, even after church intervention, “treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.”

Tax collectors, though Jewish, were Roman collaborators, despised as outsiders—not personal enemies.
Jesus explicitly allows treating an unrepentant believer as an outsider, not requiring love or kindness.

How did Jesus’ Jewish contemporaries understand this? They loathed Roman pagans and tax-collecting collaborators (Matthew 9:11, Luke 19:7). If Jesus says to treat even an unrepentant brother like a pagan or tax collector, what does that say about loving:
- Criminals: pedophiles, murderers, rapists, thieves, swindlers…
- Military enemies
- Satanists: sorcerers, witches, devil-worshippers

If even a sinning brother gets cut off, why would Jesus demand love for those under God’s wrath?
Your logic is absurd, cherry-picking verses to coddle God’s enemies.

 

[Chrysostomos]

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Do not blaspheme!

 

[Chrysostomos]

I am saying what very few are willing to say .
As more and more are running to satan and his well beloved harlot
who has sold this world a love and a unity that all religoins ,even athiest can agree upon .
ONLY , YEAH a LIE DONT SAVE .
On the day of the LORD all who were bunkered down in that harlot
no matter how deep they dig to hide , there will be no place For them to HIDE .
Now enough with this interfaith ecumenical harlot led stuff .
Time to come out of her and time to preach JESUS and all Biblical doctrine .
You , my dear sir , can do with this as you please .

So I got you right: to dodge the "threat" of ecumenism, you’ve locked yourself in your own little mental bunker—maybe even a literal one—and from THERE you’re preaching that all churches are liars?

 

[amigo de christo]

So I got you right: to dodge the "threat" of ecumenism, you’ve locked yourself in your own little mental bunker—maybe even a literal one—and from THERE you’re preaching that all churches are liars?

Try bringing doctrine and not the usual cards of todays mindsets .
IF ecumenical interfaith is good and of GOD , PRovE IT .
meanwhile it can easily be shown to be of anti christ .
SO you choose . I already long ago have. I dont sit under a harlot or harlots
that are always doing all to blend into a camp , ONLY TO SEDUCE such a camp .

 

[amigo de christo]

So I got you right: to dodge the "threat" of ecumenism, you’ve locked yourself in your own little mental bunker—maybe even a literal one—and from THERE you’re preaching that all churches are liars?

For someone who early on spoke against this victim card mentalitly stuff
You sure seem to use it a lot . but then many have no idea
their own churches have been infiltrated , NOW DO THEY . i seen what you wrote .
You have no idea that greek orthodoxy , as well as protestants , as well as etc
HAVE been well infiltrated with the same agenda . Just worked a bit differently according to whatever denomination
IT DID Enter . May i suggest BIBLE time again for us all .

 

[amigo de christo]

So I got you right: to dodge the "threat" of ecumenism, you’ve locked yourself in your own little mental bunker—maybe even a literal one—and from THERE you’re preaching that all churches are liars?

not to DODGE the threat of ecumenism . TO EXPOSE the threat of ecumenism is what i do .
I aint running . HERE I AM exposing it . i suggest you go and learn to do the same .
Being unequally yoked HAS NEVER WORKED OUT to the good of any who did so .

 

[Lizbeth]

I get what you're saying, perfectly clear.

Your double standards are glaring: You demonize Catholics—who confess Jesus as Lord, the Trinity, and the Resurrection—as enemies of the gospel, wielding Scripture that Catholics compiled into one canon under the guidance of the Holy Spirit at councils like Carthage (397 AD). Yet, you forbid judging Jews who curse Christ and deny His Messiahship. You lean on a supposed “download from heaven” to vilify Catholics, while citing the same “Holy Spirit” to excuse Talmudists pushing an anti-Christ agenda.


Woe to you, hypocrites!

Oy vey.

 

[Chrysostomos]

I don't think anyone has opportunity to love Satan. You can only love those who are around you. I don't mean love as a warm feeling of affection, rather, love in the Bible is a action word, a commitment word, that you are committed to the wellbeing of the beloved.

Much love!

I’m reminded once again that you can study a language diligently for years, but a non-native tongue will never truly become native. In the Russian-speaking internet, a post like yours would be summed up with one phrase: “This is some kind of Dostoevshchina.”

“Dostoevshchina” is a term capturing the psychological, moral, or social atmosphere inspired by Dostoevsky’s works—a chaotic tangle of contradictions, tortured overthinking, and absurd moral drama sliding into sheer incoherence. It’s a hallmark of Russian literature and culture since the early 20th century, denoting morbid introspection and emotional instability.

I do not know how to say this in English.
In short, your musings about “love” are pure Dostoevskian nonsense—ludicrous drivel that entangles Scripture in contradictory, unhinged psychological torment and needless anguish.

 

[Chrysostomos]

Oy vey.

Repent with all your heart. Accept Jesus Christ as your only Lord and serve Him alone. Then Jesus will cleanse you and cast out the unclean spirits that have deceived you with their cunning and lies.

 

[Lizbeth]

Repent with all your heart. Accept Jesus Christ as your only Lord and serve Him alone. Then Jesus will cleanse you and cast out the unclean spirits that have deceived you with their cunning and lies.

There is nothing here for me to repent of, since I'm in line with God's word. But you clearly are not. You need to first of all receive Christ for real in order to have His mind and heart and understanding on things.....not to mention that your eternal destiny is at stake.