WHAT IS MEANT IN HEBREWS SAYING THERE IS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS?

[Fred J]

This is a perfect reflection of saying there is just one big gospel, incoherence and confusion

Ok, i'll make one small Gospel just for you, perhaps i've been wrong, sorry.

Gospel according to Matthew to Gospel according to John in the Holy Bible New Testament.

Now the Gospel according to Paul, he included it 'short' in his epistles.

 

[Fred J]

What do you mean by new testament.? I ask because people say the new testament and the new covenant are the same so I dont know which one you are referring to.
If you mean the new covenant, then that doesnt apply to us.
The new covenant will be made only with Israel....................[Jer 31:31 KJV] 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
God will cause Israel to keep the law...................[Eze 36:27 KJV] 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].
It wont go into effect til Israel is in all their land......................[Eze 36:24 KJV] 24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

Christ died and shed his blood for the new testament, It forgave Israel their past trespasses committed under the first testament.............................[Heb 9:15 KJV] 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance....................Jesus died and shed his blood ONLY FOR ISRAEL, Paul revealed it was applied to us

Apparently the devil lied to you and have you deceived. (Revelation 12:12)

To you the four Gospels, Matthew to John is the New Covenant made with Israel and not Gentiles, correct?

Wrong!

To us, GOD made the New Covenant/Testament indeed with the lost sheep of Israel first as promised.

And scripturally, including the Apostles then, by the Gospel there were only a remnant of Israelites saved under the election of grace and discipled.

Luke 22:
20. Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the New Testament/Covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

Matthew 28:
18. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto Me in Heaven and in earth.
19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the FATHER, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and , lo, I Am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Since majority of the Israelites rejected the Gospel and the New Covenant, the same went to the Gentiles and until the full number of them do come in.

Therefore the same Gospel material Jesus from the beginning taught and discipled the 12, the same He commissioned them to teach and disciple all nations majority of Gentiles and minority of scattered Jews.

And from the four Gospel in the beginning preached, taught and discipled in Israel where a remnant saved, as pieces of evidence for one.

Even likewise done in all nations of the Gentles and scattered Jews where many were added to the church to the Acts of the Apostles, as pieces of evidence for two.

To their epistles to these established churches where the born again Gentiles and Jews are the one body of Christ, as pieces of evidence for three.

Finally the Revelation of John likewise to these established churches of Jews and Gentiles Christians in all nations. as pieces of evidence for four.

Apparently these four evidences make up the New Testament/Covenant of GOD through Jesus Christ in completion, and is canonized in the Holy Bible without a dispute, period

And yesterday we were preached to, taught and discipled in the very New Testament/Covenant in context, whether we're born again Jews or Gentiles.

On top of that, we're also discipled in the Old Testament/Covenant, and today we do the same to the unsaved world, as a man of GOD perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

(2Timothy 3:16&17)

i believe my time is up with Nicodemus on this tread, and time to move forward to other matters.

 

[Fred J]

Just to make today's Nicodemus understand about the Gospel and the New Covenant/Testament, took us to 702 posts.

But Jesus did it only with one post as according to John chapter 3, that's it and moved on.

This is because Jesus did not allow man to get the best out of Him as the wisdom form above.

If they're not GOD initiated and sent unlike the 12 in faith, Jesus keep it short and move on with the 12 discipling only them.

Nevertheless, we also know there were other followers of Jesus with them from the beginning that day, where Matthias among others were cast lot to replace Judas.

Shalom from GOD the FATHER because of our Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Doug]

That would require some work....
but you remind me of those that believe HISTORY ended with the book of Acts.

Where do YOU believe the apostles travelled?


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In the book of Acts, the apostles traveled extensively, with Peter remaining primarily in Jerusalem and surrounding areas like Judea and Samaria, while Paul undertook multiple missionary journeys across modern-day Turkey, Greece, Syria, and eventually to Rome. Their journeys moved the message of Christianity from its origin in Jerusalem out to the wider world and established churches in many regions.

source: AI



Meanwhile the holy apostles and disciples of our Saviour were dispersed throughout the world. Parthia, according to tradition, was allotted to Thomas as his field of labor, Scythia to Andrew, and Asia to John, who, after he had lived some time there, died at Ephesus. Peter appears to have preached in Pontus, Galatia, Bithynia, Cappadocia, and Asia to the Jews of the dispersion. And at last, having come to Rome, he was crucified head-downwards; for he had requested that he might suffer in this way. What do we need to say concerning Paul, who preached the Gospel of Christ from Jerusalem to Illyricum, and afterwards suffered martyrdom in Rome under Nero? These facts are related by Origen in the third volume of his Commentary on Genesis.[3]

source: Wikipedia

The apostles did go to Judea and Samaria, Jesus said to.....................[Act 1:8 KJV] 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

There is no scripture that Thomas went to Parthia
none on Andrew going to Scythia
none on John in Asia or Ephesus
Peter did go to Antioch in Galatia
[1Pe 1:1 KJV] 1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,...............there is nothing stated that Peter went to/or established these churches. He merely wrote to them. These were Jewish churches comprised of Jews scattered by persecution so Peter would not be going to the Gentile nations

Alot of these claims read as being tradition. tradition isnt even history



As far as

 

[Doug]

Jesus said to teach all nations....
the Apostles began the dispersion of the Christian faith and it's continuing to this day.

NOWHERE does the NT state that the gospel should NOT be preached until the end of the world..or whenever it is that you believe the Kingdom of David will be a reality.

Even if there is a spiritual kingdom it remains there is a physical kingdom on earth and the gospel Jesus and the twelve preached was the gospel saying that kingdom was at hand. Jesus commanded the twelve to teach all nations not us. What they were to teach the nations was all Jesus commanded THEM, thats not our commands, our commands are given in Paul's epistles.

 

[Doug]

Some theologians believe INASMUCH AS YE HAVE DONE IT TO ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE MY BRETHREN...YE HAVE DONE IT UNTO ME
is referring to the Apostels.

Jesus said ALL NATIONS will be judged.
Are you saying He made a mistake?
Maybe Jesus forgot about the prophecy in Numbers 23:9?

Matthew 25:31-32
31 "But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.
32 "All the nations will be gathered before Him;

I dont think its the apostles in Matthew 25

I dont know what you are saying......Matthew 25 is a judgement on the nations and I explained Numbers 23:9

 

[Doug]

Ok, i'll make one small Gospel just for you, perhaps i've been wrong, sorry.

Gospel according to Matthew to Gospel according to John in the Holy Bible New Testament.

Now the Gospel according to Paul, he included it 'short' in his epistles.

Sorry you have no clear gospel

 

[amigo de christo]

Doug,
The Apostles went all over to preach the gospel message.
They did what Jesus told them to do.
Some stayed in Jerusalem,,,like James,,,and some left and went far - even toward Asia, can't remember if they made it all the way there.

The gospel of the Kingdom is being preached right now.
Jesus preached the Kingdom to come NOW...from His time.

and that KINGDOM the RCC nor scores of others knew anything about or e ven were of at all .
I will not allow one person to try and in any way bring us under that WHORE . I wont do it . I just wont do it .
That is another thing the nar realm
the RCC , and scores of others have long had in common , THEY KINGDOM is HERE
And its why you will often see their desires ARE HERE
And it is why you will often see
THEIR KINGDOMS enlarged . Knowest thou what i sayest or just said my friend .
MEN have always loved the here and now the MY KINGDOM COME MY WILL BE DONE .
ITs why and how EVEN THE RCC was formed .
And beleive me its why we have so many divisions . THOUGH not all divisoins were wrong .
IF a leader of any church , any sect , any denomination ,
WILL not repent of its evil , TIME TO LEAVE IT .
Correct it , but if they hear not , GET OUT . cause its not like i can t ake over someones church now can i .
I cannot kick them out , wish i could , but friend that aint gonnna happen .
THEY own that building . i cannot kick them out , but I DARN SURE CAN COME OUT .
and lets not mistake that for the RAINBOW coming out .
HEY if sinners can come out and proclaim their sin
THEN BY ALL MEANS i can come out and procliam JESUS and the BIBLE .
THE TIME now is for all who name the name of JESUS to correct all sin and error within the church they sit in .
TAKE it to your leaders . IF THEY hear the truth amen . stay and help them
BUT IF THEY HEED NOT the correction , GET THE HECK OUT OF THE PLACE and take as many as you can with you .

 

[Doug]

Apparently the devil lied to you and have you deceived. (Revelation 12:12)

To you the four Gospels, Matthew to John is the New Covenant made with Israel and not Gentiles, correct?

Wrong!

To us, GOD made the New Covenant/Testament indeed with the lost sheep of Israel first as promised.

And scripturally, including the Apostles then, by the Gospel there were only a remnant of Israelites saved under the election of grace and discipled.

Luke 22:
20. Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the New Testament/Covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

Matthew 28:
18. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto Me in Heaven and in earth.
19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the FATHER, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and , lo, I Am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Since majority of the Israelites rejected the Gospel and the New Covenant, the same went to the Gentiles and until the full number of them do come in.

Therefore the same Gospel material Jesus from the beginning taught and discipled the 12, the same He commissioned them to teach and disciple all nations majority of Gentiles and minority of scattered Jews.

And from the four Gospel in the beginning preached, taught and discipled in Israel where a remnant saved, as pieces of evidence for one.

Even likewise done in all nations of the Gentles and scattered Jews where many were added to the church to the Acts of the Apostles, as pieces of evidence for two.

To their epistles to these established churches where the born again Gentiles and Jews are the one body of Christ, as pieces of evidence for three.

Finally the Revelation of John likewise to these established churches of Jews and Gentiles Christians in all nations. as pieces of evidence for four.

Apparently these four evidences make up the New Testament/Covenant of GOD through Jesus Christ in completion, and is canonized in the Holy Bible without a dispute, period

And yesterday we were preached to, taught and discipled in the very New Testament/Covenant in context, whether we're born again Jews or Gentiles.

On top of that, we're also discipled in the Old Testament/Covenant, and today we do the same to the unsaved world, as a man of GOD perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

(2Timothy 3:16&17)

i believe my time is up with Nicodemus on this tread, and time to move forward to other matters.

Sorry I have no idea what you are saying. If you want the new covenant to be the new testament you have confusion once again as exemplified here...................................[2Co 3:6 KJV] 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life..............................Paul is saying through the Spirit he ministers the new testament by applying the blood shed to us. He also ministers the Spirit not the letter of the law.

Here other translations render new testament as new covenant.........................[2Co 3:6 NKJV] 6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.....................the new covenant enables Israel to keep the law.......................[Eze 36:26-27 KJV] 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].................this makes Paul an able minister of keeping the letter of the law which is exactly the opposite of what he said

 

[Fred J]

Sorry you have no clear gospel

You too, so give it a rest, thank you

 

[Fred J]

Sorry I have no idea what you are saying. If you want the new covenant to be the new testament you have confusion once again as exemplified here...................................[2Co 3:6 KJV] 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life..............................Paul is saying through the Spirit he ministers the new testament by applying the blood shed to us. He also ministers the Spirit not the letter of the law.

Since you're 'shortsighted' and unable to see 'afar' in regards the Kingdom of GOD, therefore the confusion is in you.

Readers,
Yes, the New Covenant as promised GOD made through Lord Jesus Christ and Holy Ghost with the Israelites first, where only a remnant saved under the election of grace until the day of Pentecost.

Then the same New Covenant after Jesus, GOD made through the Holy Ghost in the Apostles from the day of Pentecost onward, to the Gentiles and scattered Jews in all nations.

Likewise in the midst where Paul is saved way after Jesus, therefore GOD through the Holy Ghost in Paul made furthermore addition to the New Covenant message with the Gentiles, kings and children of Israel(Jews).

Apparently is not of the letter to the Law, for according to the letter of the Law in the Old, it kills, but now what is of the Holy Ghost gives life in it's fullest.

Therefore the New Covenant of GOD made with the Jews and Gentiles, sons and daughters of Adam and Eve, through the Holy Ghost orally at first, was then later by the same Spirit inspired to be written down.

As time passed, GOD through the same Holy Ghost in the church fathers, compiled these writings and canonized them resulting to the Holy Bible.

As a result, the New Covenant in these last days GOD made through the Son and Spirit with the Israelites first.

And later through the Apostles and Spirit with the Gentiles and furthermore Jews in all nations, is listed as the New Testament in the Holy Bible.

Likewise in the New Testament of the Holy Bible, the four Gospels are also listed (besides Paul's short Gospel explained in his epistles) by our church fathers in the Spirit.

What's the confusion??

The New Testament in the Holy Bible is a testimonial record of GOD's New Covenant made through HIS Son in these last days with the world for salvation and eternal life.

In other words, it's GOD's new covenant in a new testament and a new agreement given and made with the world HE so loved that HE gave HIS Son.

Actually in context even children could gradually and easily understand things of GOD, than geniuses or wannabees of this world who want things complicated.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[GodsGrace]

The apostles did go to Judea and Samaria, Jesus said to.....................[Act 1:8 KJV] 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

There is no scripture that Thomas went to Parthia
none on Andrew going to Scythia
none on John in Asia or Ephesus
Peter did go to Antioch in Galatia
[1Pe 1:1 KJV] 1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,...............there is nothing stated that Peter went to/or established these churches. He merely wrote to them. These were Jewish churches comprised of Jews scattered by persecution so Peter would not be going to the Gentile nations

Alot of these claims read as being tradition. tradition isnt even history



As far as

As I stated...
some believe history ended with Acts.

I believe it continued.

 

[GodsGrace]

Even if there is a spiritual kingdom it remains there is a physical kingdom on earth and the gospel Jesus and the twelve preached was the gospel saying that kingdom was at hand. Jesus commanded the twelve to teach all nations not us. What they were to teach the nations was all Jesus commanded THEM, thats not our commands, our commands are given in Paul's epistles.

So Paul and Jesus taught differently.
I suppose this is why some call it the gospel of works and the gospel of grace.

Let's see now...
which one do I want to follow?

Big problems Doug.

 

[GodsGrace]

I dont think its the apostles in Matthew 25

I dont know what you are saying......Matthew 25 is a judgement on the nations and I explained Numbers 23:9

Some THEOLOGIANS believe Jesus is speaking of the Apostles as THESE LITTLE ONES in Matthew 25 when He speaks of those that clothed the poor, visited the imprisoned, etc.

You don't have to agree with this.

Personally, I've always believed it to mean ANYONE THAT DOES GOOD TO ANYONE.

There's more the the NT than what we may believe,,,this is my point.
Dispensationalism wanders too far from what is in the NT.

 

[Doug]

You too, so give it a rest, thank you

I will but here is my post if you care to read it

THE GOSPEL​

 

[Doug]

Since you're 'shortsighted' and unable to see 'afar' in regards the Kingdom of GOD, therefore the confusion is in you.

Readers,
Yes, the New Covenant as promised GOD made through Lord Jesus Christ and Holy Ghost with the Israelites first, where only a remnant saved under the election of grace until the day of Pentecost.

Then the same New Covenant after Jesus, GOD made through the Holy Ghost in the Apostles from the day of Pentecost onward, to the Gentiles and scattered Jews in all nations.

Likewise in the midst where Paul is saved way after Jesus, therefore GOD through the Holy Ghost in Paul made furthermore addition to the New Covenant message with the Gentiles, kings and children of Israel(Jews).

Apparently is not of the letter to the Law, for according to the letter of the Law in the Old, it kills, but now what is of the Holy Ghost gives life in it's fullest.

Therefore the New Covenant of GOD made with the Jews and Gentiles, sons and daughters of Adam and Eve, through the Holy Ghost orally at first, was then later by the same Spirit inspired to be written down.

As time passed, GOD through the same Holy Ghost in the church fathers, compiled these writings and canonized them resulting to the Holy Bible.

As a result, the New Covenant in these last days GOD made through the Son and Spirit with the Israelites first.

And later through the Apostles and Spirit with the Gentiles and furthermore Jews in all nations, is listed as the New Testament in the Holy Bible.

Likewise in the New Testament of the Holy Bible, the four Gospels are also listed (besides Paul's short Gospel explained in his epistles) by our church fathers in the Spirit.

What's the confusion??

The New Testament in the Holy Bible is a testimonial record of GOD's New Covenant made through HIS Son in these last days with the world for salvation and eternal life.

In other words, it's GOD's new covenant in a new testament and a new agreement given and made with the world HE so loved that HE gave HIS Son.

Actually in context even children could gradually and easily understand things of GOD, than geniuses or wannabees of this world who want things complicated.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

What Bible translation do you use?
I guarantee that is why you dont know what the new covenant is

 

[Doug]

So Paul and Jesus taught differently.
I suppose this is why some call it the gospel of works and the gospel of grace.

Let's see now...
which one do I want to follow?

Big problems Doug.

There is no gospel of works. Noone was/is saved by works only by faith.

It depends on what is meant by saved. Israel was saved unto eternal life by believing on Jesus's name, that he is Christ, the Son of God.

Believing Israel was saved by works to inherit entrance into the kingdom on earth

If you follow Paul you are following Christ..............[1Co 11:1 KJV] 1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ.

 

[Doug]

Some THEOLOGIANS believe Jesus is speaking of the Apostles as THESE LITTLE ONES in Matthew 25 when He speaks of those that clothed the poor, visited the imprisoned, etc.

You don't have to agree with this.

Personally, I've always believed it to mean ANYONE THAT DOES GOOD TO ANYONE.

There's more the the NT than what we may believe,,,this is my point.
Dispensationalism wanders too far from what is in the NT.

Here is another of my posts to respond to your request for my points

HOW DO WE FOLLOW JESUS?​

 

[GodsGrace]

There is no gospel of works. Noone was/is saved by works only by faith.

It depends on what is meant by saved. Israel was saved unto eternal life by believing on Jesus's name, that he is Christ, the Son of God.

Believing Israel was saved by works to inherit entrance into the kingdom on earth

If you follow Paul you are following Christ..............[1Co 11:1 KJV] 1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ.

Some would disgree with you.
Some believe Jesus taught works and Paul taught grace.
They actually both taught the same.

 

[GodsGrace]

Here is another of my posts to respond to your request for my points

HOW DO WE FOLLOW JESUS?​

I posted, at least 2X, how Jesus stated He had other sheep to bring into the fold.
I also posted about how Paul speaks to this in Romans 9.
We're repeating now.