The Baptism That Saves: What Most People Miss in Acts 11:16

[mailmandan]

If you make baptism the entry point to the body of Christ, you’ve turned a symbol into a savior.

Well said ! False religion turns a picture and a symbol into the substance and the source.

 

[DJT_47]

The last time I wore a sombrero was at a resort in Mexico in 2008. Who can speak the most Spanish contest.

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Not quite sure which one is you. Do you have like a colored rug on your back by any chance?

 

[GodsGrace]

The last time I wore a sombrero was at a resort in Mexico in 2008. Who can speak the most Spanish contest.

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OH NO!!
It looks like a goat !!

 

[mailmandan]

Not quite sure which one is you. Do you have like a colored rug on your back by any chance?

I'm on the donkey. Blue Hawaiian shirt.

 

[GodsGrace]

I'm on the donkey. Blue Hawaiian shirt.

How could a OSASer be so good looking???

 

[DJT_47]

I'm on the donkey. Blue Hawaiian shirt.

Ah, OK. I was not sure. Sorry for getting you dudes mixed up. Thnx for the clarification

 

[DJT_47]

You’re reading into the passage what it doesn’t say. Romans 6 isn’t teaching that baptism causes us to be part of Christ—it’s showing what baptism represents. Paul uses baptism as a picture of what happens spiritually the moment we believe.


We are united with Christ in His death and resurrection by faith, not by water. That’s why Paul says, “We have been buried with Him by baptism into death” ~Romans 6:4, but earlier he already said that justification comes through faith apart from works ~Romans 3:28. If baptism were the way into Christ, then salvation would depend on a physical act, not on grace.


The “baptized into Christ” language describes what the Holy Spirit does when He places us into the body of Christ at salvation. “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body” ~1 Corinthians 12:13. That’s not talking about water, it’s the spiritual reality behind it. The water baptism that follows is the outward testimony of what’s already happened inwardly.

If you make baptism the entry point to the body of Christ, you’ve turned a symbol into a savior. Scripture never does that. The blood of Christ, not the water, reconciles us to God ~Ephesians 2:13. Baptism declares that truth, it doesn’t produce it.

I don't know what you're reading or your ability to understand is, but you ain't making sense. And Acts2:38 is also very clear as it tells you at what point tge Holy Ghost is received. At the point of baptism; that's when the indwelling of the Spirit occurs.

Acts 2:38

38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

And Acts2:38 is also very clear as it tells you at what point tge Holy Ghost is received.

Yes, true for Israel, but not for The Body Of Christ = His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided:

Three Bible Baptisms:

In God's Context Of Prophecy/Covenants/Law for Israel, Previously!:

►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄

The Two Main ( of 12 ) baptisms [ available upon request ]

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew 3:5-6; Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3; John 1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts 10:37)
(Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel 36:25; Isaiah 52:15 AV)
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B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah 44:3; Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke 24:49; Acts 2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16 AV)

Prophecy / Covenants / Law for twelve tribes of Israel!

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

In God's Other Distinctive Context Of Mystery / Grace! (Romans - Philemon AV) =

our "One apostle to the Gentiles" for The One Body Of CHRIST, Today!:

►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today:

Only One Baptism = "BY" The One Spirit = God's Operation,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The One Body Of) Christ!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27;
Romans 6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13 AV)

Conclusion: God's One [ Spiritual ] Baptism Today? = ONE

Or, Equals two? = water problem with God's Math! Correct?
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This has also been Very Helpful:

Water That Divides!!

Please Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified
In Christ, and In His Precious Word Of Truth!

Amen.



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"Distinctions" of Prophecy vs MYSTERY

 

[bdavidc]

I don't know what you're reading or your ability to understand is, but you ain't making sense. And Acts2:38 is also very clear as it tells you at what point tge Holy Ghost is received. At the point of baptism; that's when the indwelling of the Spirit occurs.

You asked if I am reading something and if I understand what I read. I do understand. I am reading the Scriptures, and I am taking them at face value, exactly as God gave them, lining up Scripture with Scripture to make sure nothing is taken out of context. When the whole Word is laid side by side, the teaching is clear: the Spirit is received through faith in Christ, not through the water.

Acts 2:38 does not hang on its own hook. The same Peter who preached that sermon later said, “Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out” ~Acts 3:19. Forgiveness is connected to repentance, not to the instant a person touches the water.

Paul asks the Galatians a pointed question: “Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith” ~Galatians 3:2. In context, the answer is clear. They received the Spirit when they believed the gospel, not when they engaged in a physical ceremony.

Paul states it even more bluntly: “In Him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in Him, were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise” ~Ephesians 1:13. Hearing and believing is the point of sealing. Scripture never links that seal to water.

Acts itself gives evidence the water is not the cause. In the house of Cornelius the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word before anyone was baptized ~Acts 10:44 through 48. In Samaria they believed and were baptized, but they did not have the Spirit until the apostles laid hands on them after the fact ~Acts 8:12 through 17. If water were the automatic point of indwelling, these passages would not be in the Bible. The Spirit comes according to faith and God’s sovereign calling, not according to the precise moment of immersion.

When Acts 2: 38 says “Repent, and be baptized… and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost,” it is announcing the full salvation package God provides to those who repent and believe. Baptism is the commanded response, the outward confession, but the Spirit Himself is given on the basis of faith. Peter is not redefining salvation, because the rest of Scripture ties salvation, forgiveness, and the Spirit to faith in Christ, not to the water.

So yes, I am reading the Bible, and I am understanding it the way the Bible itself actually presents it. The blood of Christ reconciles us to God ~Ephesians 2:13. The Spirit baptizes us into the body of Christ ~1 Corinthians 12:13. Water baptism is a testimony to that truth, but it never produces it. Scripture keeps that distinction clear, and I am simply following what the Word says.

 

[DJT_47]

You asked if I am reading something and if I understand what I read. I do understand. I am reading the Scriptures, and I am taking them at face value, exactly as God gave them, lining up Scripture with Scripture to make sure nothing is taken out of context. When the whole Word is laid side by side, the teaching is clear: the Spirit is received through faith in Christ, not through the water.

Acts 2:38 does not hang on its own hook. The same Peter who preached that sermon later said, “Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out” ~Acts 3:19. Forgiveness is connected to repentance, not to the instant a person touches the water.

Paul asks the Galatians a pointed question: “Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith” ~Galatians 3:2. In context, the answer is clear. They received the Spirit when they believed the gospel, not when they engaged in a physical ceremony.

Paul states it even more bluntly: “In Him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in Him, were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise” ~Ephesians 1:13. Hearing and believing is the point of sealing. Scripture never links that seal to water.

Acts itself gives evidence the water is not the cause. In the house of Cornelius the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word before anyone was baptized ~Acts 10:44 through 48. In Samaria they believed and were baptized, but they did not have the Spirit until the apostles laid hands on them after the fact ~Acts 8:12 through 17. If water were the automatic point of indwelling, these passages would not be in the Bible. The Spirit comes according to faith and God’s sovereign calling, not according to the precise moment of immersion.

When Acts 2: 38 says “Repent, and be baptized… and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost,” it is announcing the full salvation package God provides to those who repent and believe. Baptism is the commanded response, the outward confession, but the Spirit Himself is given on the basis of faith. Peter is not redefining salvation, because the rest of Scripture ties salvation, forgiveness, and the Spirit to faith in Christ, not to the water.

So yes, I am reading the Bible, and I am understanding it the way the Bible itself actually presents it. The blood of Christ reconciles us to God ~Ephesians 2:13. The Spirit baptizes us into the body of Christ ~1 Corinthians 12:13. Water baptism is a testimony to that truth, but it never produces it. Scripture keeps that distinction clear, and I am simply following what the Word says.

Twist things as you may try, but that won't change the simplicity of the word. No further comments for or dialog with you.

 

[DJT_47]

Yes, true for Israel, but not for The Body Of Christ = His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided:

Three Bible Baptisms:

In God's Context Of Prophecy/Covenants/Law for Israel, Previously!:

►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄

The Two Main ( of 12 ) baptisms [ available upon request ]

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew 3:5-6; Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3; John 1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts 10:37)
(Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel 36:25; Isaiah 52:15 AV)
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B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah 44:3; Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke 24:49; Acts 2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16 AV)

Prophecy / Covenants / Law for twelve tribes of Israel!

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

In God's Other Distinctive Context Of Mystery / Grace! (Romans - Philemon AV) =

our "One apostle to the Gentiles" for The One Body Of CHRIST, Today!:

►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today:

Only One Baptism = "BY" The One Spirit = God's Operation,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The One Body Of) Christ!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27;
Romans 6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13 AV)

Conclusion: God's One [ Spiritual ] Baptism Today? = ONE

Or, Equals two? = water problem with God's Math! Correct?
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This has also been Very Helpful:

Water That Divides!!

Please Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified
In Christ, and In His Precious Word Of Truth!

Amen.

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"Distinctions" of Prophecy vs MYSTERY

There's one baptism, water, and one gospel which is for everyone. Anything else is NOT supported by scripture.

 

[bdavidc]

Twist things as you may try, but that won't change the simplicity of the word. No further comments for or dialog with you.

You can ignore what I said, but you know I have only quoted Scripture and have not taken any verse out of context. I have twisted nothing. If one can read the passages in order and follow the flow of thought, the Word is speaking plainly.

The Bible says the Spirit is received through faith. Paul’s question in ~Galatians 3: 2 could not be more clear: “Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith.” The answer the Spirit gave is faith, not a physical act.

The Bible says men were sealed with the Spirit when they believed the gospel. “In Him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in Him, were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise” ~Ephesians 1:13. Hearing and believing is the point of sealing, and Scripture says that plainly.

The Bible gives examples that prove the Spirit does not wait for water. In Cornelius’ house the Spirit fell while Peter was still speaking, before anyone was baptized ~Acts 10:44 through 48. In Samaria they were baptized yet still did not have the Spirit until later ~Acts 8:12 through 17. Scripture itself separates the timing, so no one has the right to merge what God has separated.

The Bible says forgiveness is tied to repentance. “Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out” ~Acts 3:19. Peter preached that after Pentecost, showing Acts 2:38 must be understood along with the rest of Scripture. God never contradicts Himself.

The Bible says we are brought near to God by the blood of Christ ~Ephesians 2: 13, and that the Spirit baptizes us into the body of Christ ~1 Corinthians 12:13. Water is the commanded confession of that salvation, not the cause of it.

So I have twisted nothing. I have taken every verse at face value, lined Scripture with Scripture, and refused to build a doctrine on one isolated sentence. If one rejects clear passages that God placed in the Bible to explain His own Word, that is not my twisting. That is their refusal to read the whole counsel of God.

I will stand on what is written. The Word is enough.

 

[DJT_47]

You can ignore what I said, but you know I have only quoted Scripture and have not taken any verse out of context. I have twisted nothing. If one can read the passages in order and follow the flow of thought, the Word is speaking plainly.

The Bible says the Spirit is received through faith. Paul’s question in ~Galatians 3: 2 could not be more clear: “Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith.” The answer the Spirit gave is faith, not a physical act.

The Bible says men were sealed with the Spirit when they believed the gospel. “In Him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in Him, were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise” ~Ephesians 1:13. Hearing and believing is the point of sealing, and Scripture says that plainly.

The Bible gives examples that prove the Spirit does not wait for water. In Cornelius’ house the Spirit fell while Peter was still speaking, before anyone was baptized ~Acts 10:44 through 48. In Samaria they were baptized yet still did not have the Spirit until later ~Acts 8:12 through 17. Scripture itself separates the timing, so no one has the right to merge what God has separated.

The Bible says forgiveness is tied to repentance. “Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out” ~Acts 3:19. Peter preached that after Pentecost, showing Acts 2:38 must be understood along with the rest of Scripture. God never contradicts Himself.

The Bible says we are brought near to God by the blood of Christ ~Ephesians 2: 13, and that the Spirit baptizes us into the body of Christ ~1 Corinthians 12:13. Water is the commanded confession of that salvation, not the cause of it.

So I have twisted nothing. I have taken every verse at face value, lined Scripture with Scripture, and refused to build a doctrine on one isolated sentence. If one rejects clear passages that God placed in the Bible to explain His own Word, that is not my twisting. That is their refusal to read the whole counsel of God.

I will stand on what is written. The Word is enough.

Quoting Bible verses doesn't mean you have understanding of them and are rightly dividing and applying them

 

[bdavidc]

Quoting Bible verses doesn't mean you have understanding of them and are rightly dividing and applying them

Anyone can say someone doesn’t understand Scripture, but the only real test is whether the verses are used the way God uses them. “Rightly dividing the word of truth” means handling Scripture in context, not rewriting what it plainly says ~2 Timothy 2:15.

Every passage I gave says the same thing when read in order. The Spirit is received by faith ~Galatians 3:2. Believers are sealed when they believe the gospel ~Ephesians 1:13. The Spirit fell on Cornelius before water ~Acts 10:44 through 48. The Samaritans had water without the Spirit until later ~Acts 8:12 through 17. That is not my interpretation. That is exactly how the Bible says it.

If someone ignores clear verses because they do not fit their doctrine, that is not rightly dividing. Scripture defines Scripture, and no part of God’s Word ever contradicts the rest. I am standing on the text, nothing more and nothing less.