"Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

[gpresdo]

So one is saved by water baptism regardless of anything else?

Who said that?

 

[NotTheRock]

No;
The sequence is;

Repentance
Baptism

To become ...born again.

What happens to people who repent, believe in and follow Jesus but never receive water baptism?

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Wrong.

No.

 

[NotTheRock]

Acts 22:16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’

What if the local church requires members to take classes to be baptized?

 

[gpresdo]

So one is saved by water baptism regardless of anything else?

Who said that.
Not biblically correct.

 

[NotTheRock]

Who said that?

No idea. Just asking a question.

 

[gpresdo]

What if the local church requires members to take classes to be baptized?

Classes for what?

 

[gpresdo]

What if the local church requires members to take classes to be baptized?

Find another church that follows the Bible.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

What if the local church requires members to take classes to be baptized?

You're in the wrong church. And your pastor is the one that needs the education

 

[Jack]

God tells us to repent be baptized ...and stay prepared. I doubt an excuse of not having time would be accepted....would you? I would not chance it.

Romans 10:9-10 If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

 

[Jack]

After u study this u can see that water baptism is mandated;

Baptism is Required

Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

1 Peter 3:21
21 There is also an antitype which now saves us--baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Doesn't say water baptism!

Ephesians 5:25-26
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her,
26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word,

Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

A clear emphasis on REPENT!

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

There you go!

Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

A perfect time for God to say, 'he that is not bapitzed shall be damned! He didn't.

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

Jesus had to be baptized to be saved? lol

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 10;47-48...
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

Acts 19:4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”

John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth

.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.

Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.

Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.

Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great deceptions.....they are here.

Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
(Also two other books of the Bible).

So, if someone is dying soon you tell him, 'Sorry, you can't be saved'.

Utterly pitiful! You would regret Judgment Day!

 

[Jack]

Who said it did?

Jesus did.

Luke 22:20
20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

 

[gpresdo]

Romans 10:9-10 If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Notice...if u confess......meaning that you agree with the Bible and follow Christ...which includes baptism.... as the bible says.

What is your point with that post? Are u also saying we need not to repent?

 

[gpresdo]

1 Peter 3:21
21 There is also an antitype which now saves us--baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Doesn't say water baptism!

Ephesians 5:25-26
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her,
26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word,

A clear emphasis on REPENT!

There you go!

A perfect time for God to say, 'he that is not bapitzed shall be damned! He didn't.

Jesus had to be baptized to be saved? lol

So, if someone is dying soon you tell him, 'Sorry, you can't be saved'.

Utterly pitiful! You would regret Judgment Day!

No...that is between him and God.

 

[Jack]

Notice...if u confess......meaning that you agree4 with the Bible and follow Christ...which include baptism as the bible syayes.

What is your point with that post? Are u also saying we need not to repent?.

You're quite evasive. The Scripture doesn't even mention water baptism! It's perfectly clear. Just like the thief on the cross confessed and believed in Jesus and was saved! YOUR doctrine doesn't hold water. lol

 

[Jack]

No...that is between him and God.

Were you baptized?

 

[gpresdo]

No...that is between him and God.

Then quote the words and bible edition. My KJV 1611 edition says water.

 

[gpresdo]

You're quite evasive. The Scripture doesn't even mention water baptism! It's perfectly clear. Just like the thief on the cross confessed and believed in Jesus and was saved! YOUR doctrine doesn't hold water. lol

The Bible is the Bible...it says what it says...don't try to change it.

 

[gpresdo]

Were you baptized?

You bet I was.

If you are not then I suggest you do so.

 

[Jack]

You bet I was.

If you are not then I suggest you do so.

In Jesus' Name?