Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord?
Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Because of this, wrath has gone out against you from the Lord.
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It seems there are no Catholics left on this forum, and I can understand why—your blatant, brazen lies about Catholicism are relentless.
Not everyone can endure being constantly and shamelessly fed absurd falsehoods in their face. That’s your tactic: you stubbornly repeat lies, ignoring any defense offered.
As it happens, I’m forced to defend Catholicism here, even though I’m not Catholic.
I’m an Orthodox Christian. More precisely, I’m not defending Catholicism itself but the Holy Spirit. When you claim the Catholic Church is “not of the Holy Spirit” but of a “satanic spirit,” you blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
The Orthodox Church acknowledges dogmatic differences with Catholics but recognizes that the Catholic Church can possess the grace of the Holy Spirit. Thus, by calling the Catholic Church satanic, you blaspheme the Holy Spirit—not just from a Catholic perspective but also from an Orthodox one.
As an Orthodox Christian, I’m defending the Holy Spirit here and now. I cannot stay silent when you blaspheme the Holy Spirit; I must openly say you’re committing blasphemy.
Regarding your “inspiration” for blaspheming the Holy Spirit, you claim you’ve “never heard of this Hislop,” but your exact phrases—“spirit of Babel/Babylon,” “mixture of paganism with Christianity,” “serving Ba’al in the name of God,” “Mystery Babylon in bed with the world”—are lifted straight from Alexander Hislop’s The Two Babylons (1858), a debunked anti-Catholic fabrication.
Hislop is a standard source for anti-Catholic Protestants. Claiming you’ve never heard of him is like saying a Christian’s never heard of the Bible—it’s a lie to dodge admitting your plagiarism and weak arguments. Or worse, you’re mindlessly parroting crude lies like a transmitter, not even knowing their source. But the verbatim match of your phrases leaves no doubt—such precise coincidences aren’t random.
Marvelloustime
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amigo de christo
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I myself have never heard of this hislop . some of us simply learned the scriptures .
implying one is automatically lying about knowing such a thing , not good .
amigo de christo
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You do realize you accuse this sister of blaspheming the HOLY GHOST .
IF , like you said , she has done that then IT would be TOO LATE for her .
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not good .
She has not done any such thing . If i say ecumenical interfaith is of anti christ spirit
You gonna now tell me i am blaspheming the HOLY GHOST and that in FACT ITS THE HOLY GHOST
behind this ecumenical move . OH it is NOT the HOLY GHOST that is behind the ecumeincal interfaith move .
Its the dark one . Does that now mean you gonna say I blaspheme the HOLY GHOST .
and if so, WOULD IT NOT THEN be too late for me . THE blasphemy of the HOLY GHOST
is the one sin that will not be forgiven . SO think about that . In other words if what you cliam is true
about her IS TRUE then why keep on badgering her . Exactly . It would be too late .
BUT NO sir what she said about THE SPIRIT warning her about the RCC , IT IS T RUE .
It is high time every last person who claims to KNOW and to BELIEVE IN JESUS the CHRIST
to return to simple bible reading again . Had we done this , we could have seen
and compared all things next to the TRUTH . And b eleive me , we had seen clearly
we are living in days of massive confusion and that many places are now already infected
with such a delusion .
amigo de christo
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Tenemos mas problemas que un libro de matimaticas in la casa christendom .
It is time for this people to return to just learning the scriptures for themselves .
For we have many anti christs that have been at work and do the agenda
of a seat that has given power , great power and influence over even this world .
And that seat do add up to six hundred three score and six .
EvEN if it had not added up to that number
I had known clearly by the ecumenical interfaith finding common ground it does b ring
That even that alone IS PROOF . I S EEN what it and key leaders have told
them false religoins and are trying to convince even Christedom . AND IT IS T RULY OF ANTI C HRIST .
BELEIF in CHRIST JESUS has BEEN DENIED and unbeleif IS what is preached . That alone would show and have shown
me all i needed to know . But what i say to one i do say to all
THE SEAT DOES add up to SIX HUNDRED three score and six . There have been many anti christs
and believe me Many of them sure can wear wool .
I've been out of the churches for longer than I have been in them, so maybe that's why I've never heard of Hislop. Never heard anyone speak of him or his theology that I can remember. As I already told you I never knew how to think of Catholicism up until a year or two ago when the Lord illuminated me to the truth of it.
Again, I just believe what the Lord showed me, so you are accusing Him of blaspheming Himself....and it is entirely in line with the teachings of God's word.
You are not defending the Holy Spirit, who you have no living relationship with.....you are only defending your idol, which is your CHURCH. The RCC and Orthodox are twin sisters. Their ilk is spoken against in a few places in the epistles. Paul tried hard to keep the fledgling church in the truth and simplicity of Christ. But you have no light to see it by, sadly.
He certainly has it wrong. However if that young man were on my doorstep sick, injured, hungry or being chased by thugs, I would do what I could to help him as an individual.......and try to help him to a knowledge of the Truth too. But does that mean I would link arms with or try to help the Talmudic Jewish machine...no it does not. Ditto with regard to Catholics/Orthodox..... or Muslim or Hindu or Buddhist or homosexual or trans for that matter.
Do you mean to say you would do differently and you want to call yourself a Christian?? And what is the stance of the Orthodox church?
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Now, you’re just LYING . . .
Neither the Holy Spirit or the Word of God “substantiate” any of the abominable lies you’ve hatched. I OPENLY-challenge you to provide proof for ANY of this nonsense.
I’ve already presented PLENTY of proof to the contrary . . .
As I said before – you may not know WHO Hislop is but you have definitely absorbed many of the fairy tales he invented. All of the nonsense about the pagan goddess Semiramis, Christmas and Easter having pagan origins and his other delusions have polluted the minds of hateful anti-Catholics like YOU.
You-pretend the God “revealed” this to you – but God doesn’t reveal LIES disguised as the truth. Shame on YOU and everyone who just accepts these ridiculous, unsubstantiated whoppers
Ummm, I HAVE refuted your idiotic accusations. The fact that YOU think I haven only speaks to your incredibly closed mind. I gave you several non-Catholic scholarly sources and ALL of them that have a debunked your position – but YOU’D rather cling to the LIES . . .
WHO said anything about our OWN works or trying to establish our OWN righteousness??
The works that are an essential element of faith are the works that GOD prepared in advance for us to do (Eph. 2:10). You cannot have true faith without those works (James 2:14-24).
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WRONG.
The Mass is a re-presentation of the ONCE-for-all sacrifice on Calvary. It's the SAME sacrifice.
WRONG.
In the Old Testament, there were three levels of Priests:
- The High Priest (Lev. 16, Haggai 1:12-14 S).
- The Levitical/Ministerial Priesthood (Lev. 16).
- The rest of the people were a General priesthood of believers (Exod. 19:6).
In the New Testament, there are also three levels of Priests:
- Jesus, our High Priest (1 Tim. 2:5, Heb. 7:22-25)
- The Ministerial Priests (James 5:14-15)
- The General priesthood of all Christians (1 Peter 2:5-9).
Just as with all New Testament fulfillments, the fulfillment is always more glorious than the Old Testament type.
WRONG.
Only God has the Authority to can forgive sins. And Authority which He gave to the Apostles – the priest of His Church (John 20:21-23). This is why Paul was able to write the following about this Authority he and the others were endowed with:
2 Cor. 5:18-20:
“And all this is from God, who has reconciled us to himself through Christ and given us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, as if God were appealing through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.”
In 2 Cor. 2:10, he states,
“Whomever you forgive anything, so do I. For indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for you in the presence of Christ.”
In the Greek, the word “presence” in this phrase is Prosopone, which means Person. In the PERSON of Christ is a more correct translation. Paul was indicating that they were forgiving sins in the PERSON of Christ, which is translated into Latin as In Persona Christi.
Correct. It’s not faith AND works. Works are an essential element of what “Faith” is.
Scripture makes is clear that you cannot have true faith without works (James 2:14-04).
As I have explained ad nauseam on this thread, those works are NOT of our own so that we can boast. They are the works that GOD Himself has prepared for us ion advance to complete (Eph. 2:10).)
Salvation comes from GOD by the finished work of Christ.
However, it comes THROUGH His Church . . .
That’s a tough sell when your exact words mirror his infamous The Two Babylons (1858) so closely it’s impossible to chalk up to coincidence. Let’s break it down to see why your denial doesn’t hold water.
Your phrases—“spirit of Babel/Babylon” ruling the Catholic Church, “mixture of paganism with Christianity,” “serving Ba’al in the name of God,” and “Mystery Babylon in bed with the world”—aren’t some unique divine revelation. They’re lifted straight from Alexander Hislop’s anti-Catholic book, a 19th-century screed that’s been debunked for over a century.
Here’s the evidence:
1. You said the Catholic Church is ruled by a “spirit of Babel/Babylon,” not the Holy Spirit. Hislop writes: “The Papacy… is but the old Chaldean Paganism in a Christian dress… the continuation of the pagan religion of ancient Babylon” (The Two Babylons, p. 2). Your claim that the Catholic Church is driven by a Babylonian spirit is a direct echo of Hislop’s central thesis that Catholicism is just rebranded Babylonian paganism.
2. You called Catholicism a “mixture” of the holy and profane, a work of the devil. Hislop’s exact words: “Popery is baptized Paganism… a mixture of paganism with Christianity, a man-made concoction” (p. 10). He argues that Catholic rituals and doctrines are pagan corruptions, which you parrot by accusing the Church of “mixing the holy with the profane.”
3. You said Catholics try to “serve God and Ba’al at the same time, or worse, serve Ba’al in the name of God.” Hislop claims: “The Catholic system is a revival of the ancient Babylonian mystery religion, serving Baal under Christian names” (p. 240). The Ba’al imagery, tied to Catholic “apostasy,” is a hallmark of Hislop’s argument, not a random biblical insight.
4. You described Catholicism as “Mystery Babylon in bed with the world and the spirit of it.” Hislop writes: “The Roman Church is Mystery Babylon the Great… uniting with the world’s spirit in a system of apostasy” (p. 6). Your phrase is a near-verbatim match, recycling his idea that the Catholic Church is the biblical “Mystery Babylon”
Coincidences this exact don’t happen. If you didn’t read Hislop directly, you’re repeating his ideas secondhand through Protestant circles that lean on his discredited work. Either way, denying knowledge of Hislop while using his exact terminology strains credulity.
It’s not divine insight—it’s plagiarism or parroting, dressed up as revelation.
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Your accusations recycle tired anti-Catholic tropes, misrepresenting sacraments as “substitutes” when they’re rooted in biblical mandates and Tradition. No one with a basic grasp of Catholic teaching—or even a cursory reading of the Catechism—could sincerely buy your simplistic lies.
That’s a cheap trick—reducing everything to a faceless, hypothetical humanitarian gesture.
You’re justifying blasphemy against Jesus Christ by deflecting with a scenario where you’d help an individual Jew, Catholic, or anyone else in need.
Fine, but let’s play your game. Even if you weren’t in need, not in trouble, and didn’t ask for anything, I’d still take you for a ride on the Azzam (the world’s largest private motor yacht at 180 meters) if we found ourselves in the hypothetical situation where I owned it.
But that’s just cheap, basic sophistry.
You’ve made yourself abundantly clear.
You constantly repeat the same tired antitheses against virtually all of Christianity.
I asked for evidence, arguments, facts—anything to back your claims. But all you do is repeat that “almost all denominations” are false.
I asked you: which denominations aren’t false, since you said “almost all”? You didn’t answer, just told me to read the Bible.
I asked: which Christian denomination forbids you from reading the Bible? Again, no answer.
Essentially, you have one antithesis against all of Christianity.
No thesis. No positive goal.
Your only aim is to make readers doubt that true Christianity exists.
Your task is to sow doubt about the very existence of Truth, under the guise of “good intentions” and “warnings,” while undermining faith in it.
amigo de christo
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false accusations is all i am seeing my friend .
PROVE TO ME that ecumenical interfaith is of GOD
and I WILL PROVE TO YOU IT IS OF ANTI CHRIST .
your move . be prepared to see floods of scrips proving IT TO BE OF ANTI CHRIST .
go now hurry , run to screens and prepared sheets of men FOR TO DEFEND your beloved movement .
EASY to expose this lie of satan and anti christ it is for a sheep in the bible .
This church age wants to defend this false love lie of satan
BRING all the bible you know to do so
and i shall bring the same to expose satans work of this ecumencial HARLOT led lie .
Marvelloustime
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Catholicism with its priests, special robes, incense, altars, formal hand washing, candles, tinkling of bells, and rites.....are all the outward forms of the old covenant and its priesthood.....which were only outward forms and representations of heavenly spiritual realities which were to come with the new covenant. Which new covenant is to serve in the new way of the Spirit and simplicity of Christ. Jesus the high priest and captain of our faith who set the example for us, along with His disciples/apostles, did not don special robes and conduct formal services modeled on old covenant practices........He SIMPLY went around doing good and preaching the gospel of faith in Him.
2Co 11:1-4
Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
See how serious that is!
Our gathering together in holy assembly before the Lord is to be in simplicity, and led by the Head of the Body, Christ, His Spirit........not man-made formally prescribed rites and proceedings. Evangelicals are falling short and doing it wrong in many cases too. We are not to grieve or quench the Holy Spirit. And there is to be no schism in the body between the various gifts/members of it (read 1 Cor 12), especially between greater and lesser gifts....there is to be no clergy/laity division for that again is old covenant practice. Paul wrote simply...."when you come together"....
1Co 14:26-31
How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
Does this at all resemble what we are doing? Serving in the new way of the Spirit, which is a way of simplicity, not a way of formalities, presupposes that we HAVE received the Spirit to begin with and that we retain Him.......and if we do have Him, that we are allowing Him free reign to lead and be Head of his Body. He is simply not in old covenant practices any more......He has long ago departed that form.....ichabod....and chosen and ordained the new and living way of the Spirit.
It is simply what I have received from the Lord apart from man or their books....what more can I say? Do with my testimony what you will. You just don't get or experience that the Lord speaks to His people and that His people know His voice.
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