Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Because of this, wrath has gone out against you from the Lord.

[Lizbeth]

You’ve made yourself abundantly clear.
You constantly repeat the same tired antitheses against virtually all of Christianity.

I asked for evidence, arguments, facts—anything to back your claims. But all you do is repeat that “almost all denominations” are false.

I asked you: which denominations aren’t false, since you said “almost all”? You didn’t answer, just told me to read the Bible.

I asked: which Christian denomination forbids you from reading the Bible? Again, no answer.

Essentially, you have one antithesis against all of Christianity.
No thesis. No positive goal.
Your only aim is to make readers doubt that true Christianity exists.
Your task is to sow doubt about the very existence of Truth, under the guise of “good intentions” and “warnings,” while undermining faith in it.

I believe the point is that while the bible is not forbidden to be read, most are not reading the bible for themselves prayerfully and with the illumination of the Holy Spirit, but selectively with the carnal mind and through the slanted lenses of the teachings of their favourite teachers.

Much of the protestant evangelical church is falling away in these days sadly....led astray and deceived by false teachers.....and it is leading to being unequally yoked and linking arms with Mystery Babylon and sharing in her deadness and sins. Already happening as we speak through politics. Thus it seems as though an unsanctioned and unclean man-made temple is being rebuilt that had once been broken down with the protestant reformation. These are terrible days we are living through in Christendom, may God have mercy and yet rescue some out of it.

 

[amigo de christo]

I believe the point is that while the bible is not forbidden to be read, most are not reading the bible for themselves prayerfully and with the illumination of the Holy Spirit, but selectively with the carnal mind and through the slanted lenses of the teachings of their favourite teachers.

Much of the protestant evangelical church is falling away in these days sadly....led astray and deceived by false teachers.....and it is leading to being unequally yoked and linking arms with Mystery Babylon and sharing in her deadness and sins. Already happening as we speak through politics. Thus it seems as though an unsanctioned and unclean man-made temple is being rebuilt that had once been broken down with the protestant reformation. These are terrible days we are living through in Christendom, may God have mercy and yet rescue some out of it.

That is correct my dear sister .

 

[amigo de christo]

I believe the point is that while the bible is not forbidden to be read, most are not reading the bible for themselves prayerfully and with the illumination of the Holy Spirit, but selectively with the carnal mind and through the slanted lenses of the teachings of their favourite teachers.

Much of the protestant evangelical church is falling away in these days sadly....led astray and deceived by false teachers.....and it is leading to being unequally yoked and linking arms with Mystery Babylon and sharing in her deadness and sins. Already happening as we speak through politics. Thus it seems as though an unsanctioned and unclean man-made temple is being rebuilt that had once been broken down with the protestant reformation. These are terrible days we are living through in Christendom, may God have mercy and yet rescue some out of it.

That which was and has been working through and roaming through this earth
Still roams today . That which has been NOW is and has been working to always undermine the Work and words OF GOD .
What ruled through the old kingdoms still rules in todays . The dark one has , since the days man did eat of the tree ,
had power over and control over man . THERE IS only ONE HOPE and ONE NAME
that can free one from his power and his influence , that BE JESUS THE CHRIST .
And as with the jews and jerusalem , the israel of OLD
WHOM GOD had set up and planted and a temple was made , and yet had corrupted themselves
and their leaders led that people far from GOD
SO GOD sent the ANSWER , THE SAVOIR of man
and a new covenant was formed .
But sadly as with the jews of old
SO TOO with christendom , MYSTERY Babylone , the greaet harlot , has not been at rest .
And as jerusalem of old Became naught but a HARLOT
so too has much of christendom .
But this all was foretold would come to pass as the days grew late .
My people perish from lack of knowledge
has indeed even come upon much of christendom now .
And most now worship G od through the precepts and doctrines of men gone wrong .

 

[amigo de christo]

The TIME now is that rather than making excuses for sins and preaching false hope,,, that we speak the need
FOR repentance and the preaching of JESUS and all lovely truth .
Rather than the creation of universalism
and broad paths and a sin accepting god and jesus
TIS TIME TO PREACH THE TRUE ONE and ALL HIS teachings .
Hope is good , faith is good , love is good , unity is good , BUT ONLY IF its of GOD and not the false versions of men .
We are gonna have to bible up for ourselves and learn afresh and anew .

 

[amigo de christo]

I believe the point is that while the bible is not forbidden to be read, most are not reading the bible for themselves prayerfully and with the illumination of the Holy Spirit, but selectively with the carnal mind and through the slanted lenses of the teachings of their favourite teachers.

Much of the protestant evangelical church is falling away in these days sadly....led astray and deceived by false teachers.....and it is leading to being unequally yoked and linking arms with Mystery Babylon and sharing in her deadness and sins. Already happening as we speak through politics. Thus it seems as though an unsanctioned and unclean man-made temple is being rebuilt that had once been broken down with the protestant reformation. These are terrible days we are living through in Christendom, may God have mercy and yet rescue some out of it.

What men of babylone has made complex
The LORD can again make simple and pull this people OUT of her mystery of inquity .
but if the peoples refuse to repent and turn again TO GOD , TO CHRIST they will all surely perish .
The time has always been , but now with much more urgency , to get this people
back into the scriptures for to learn afresh for themselves .
For mystery babylon and the worker of the mystery of inquity is taking control
of much of even christendom itself .
And to sit under that and be unequally yoked up with that , WILL BE THE END OF ALL WHO DO SO
and did not repent . That harlot has already spoken the lie that she calls love
and more and more turn to her love, the love of a harlot . The longer they stay in such places
Those who have not yet turned to the lie she calleth love, WILL DO SO .

 

[amigo de christo]

Regulators , contenders for the true faith , to he or she who has eyes to see and ears to hear ,
GET THIS people back into the scriptures to learn for themselves .
Get them OUT of any church attached in anyway to the great ecumenical move of the harlot .
She and her men have made the lie known and more than once .
They have not done it in secrete , but live and on stage for all to see .
THEY LIED to them false religoins just as they do to us and make the cliam we all serve the same GOD
differently . WAKE UP , THAT MEANS JESUS GOT DENIED . they preach a lie . THE LIE
to this people and soon all who do her bidding
will begin to do this more and more to all who are seated in them churches .
BUY THE TRUTH and sell her not . AND NO LIE is of the truth and love does not rejoice in a lie but only IN TRUTH .

 

[amigo de christo]

The parable of the wise wolf .
There lived a wolf and always he went about huffing and a puffing
and a blowing down churches .
He comes unto a mighty and a strong and solid foundation of a church .
So he huffs and he puffs and he blows and he blows
but that house is not coming down .
SO he thinks , hey wait i have an idea .
A few hours later a sheep shows up in beautiful wool
and says to the peoples within . I have a great and mighty plan
so as we can rebuild and make even stronger your foundation .
So in the little sheep does go .
And in time he begins to say to them , LOOK here this is outdated
let us tear down these walls and build back better ones .
And then he says LOOK at these bricks and foundation
its outdated we need to take out and replace them with these new diverse and colorful ones .
So they continue the work .
HE says to them we must remove the old that is in the way and add in the new .
For these are outdated and we need this diverse straw to replace .
So on they went and continued the work . Till one day the sheep bids them all farewell
and says i must now take my journey into the wilderness for to go on a pilgramage .
So off he goes into the forest
And soon thereafter they see the sheep again
and behind him are many wolves . And some within the church say , OH my they are gonna eat him up
But then the sheep stops , pulls off his wool
and says to the wolves ITS DINNER TIME
as they all laugh and mock at the new STAW HUT without walls and a foundation .
WE ARE BEING decieved my friends , THEY are chaning churchres from within and lead this people
to the day of their own destruction .

 

[Lizbeth]

What men of babylone has made complex
The LORD can again make simple and pull this people OUT of her mystery of inquity .
but if the peoples refuse to repent and turn again TO GOD , TO CHRIST they will all surely perish .
The time has always been , but now with much more urgency , to get this people
back into the scriptures for to learn afresh for themselves .
For mystery babylon and the worker of the mystery of inquity is taking control
of much of even christendom itself .
And to sit under that and be unequally yoked up with that , WILL BE THE END OF ALL WHO DO SO
and did not repent . That harlot has already spoken the lie that she calls love
and more and more turn to her love, the love of a harlot . The longer they stay in such places
Those who have not yet turned to the lie she calleth love, WILL DO SO .

Amen. Mystery Babylon, which ancient Babylon stood for......spiritual captivity and mixture......is going to be judged. Just as apostate Jerusalem of the first century, 70 AD, was also an example to the church. Hesitate to say but I think we all need to be prepared..... I'm reminded of a terrible waking vision I had many years ago. It was terrible and so urgent.....didn't know what it was about until the Lord led me to Is. 21 and that was exactly what I was seeing....peering through a thicket and seeing a caravan of horses and camels.....the vision zeroed in on a man in a horse drawn chariot who was wearing a Pope's mitre. Trusting in chariots and horses? I think they were trying to flee the destruction. And I had seen such a horrific shattering and thousands of tiny shards almost as a side note. Even then, back then, I wasn't quite sure I understood what that all meant in terms of the current times or maybe I just didn't want to accept it. Like Babylon was judged by being invaded by foreign powers, and apostate Jerusalem was invaded and destroyed, I wonder if literal invasion and destruction awaits the western formerly Christian nations. It is hard to think of and I don't like to believe it, but the Lord doesn't change. And a few years after that vision......Jer. 4.

 

[Chrysostomos]

It is simply what I have received from the Lord apart from man or their books....what more can I say? Do with my testimony what you will. You just don't get or experience that the Lord speaks to His people and that His people know His voice.

I expected nothing less from you. You continue to lie despite all the overwhelming evidence exposing your falsehoods. Such coincidences don’t happen by chance. Yet you persist in lying, cloaking your deception in blasphemy.

 

[Chrysostomos]

I believe the point is that while the bible is not forbidden to be read, most are not reading the bible for themselves prayerfully and with the illumination of the Holy Spirit, but selectively with the carnal mind and through the slanted lenses of the teachings of their favourite teachers.

Much of the protestant evangelical church is falling away in these days sadly....led astray and deceived by false teachers.....and it is leading to being unequally yoked and linking arms with Mystery Babylon and sharing in her deadness and sins. Already happening as we speak through politics. Thus it seems as though an unsanctioned and unclean man-made temple is being rebuilt that had once been broken down with the protestant reformation. These are terrible days we are living through in Christendom, may God have mercy and yet rescue some out of it.

@amigo de christo, you forgot to switch accounts and responded under @Lizbeth ’s profile.

 

[Chrysostomos]

That is correct my dear sister .

If that’s correct then why do you constantly urge people to read the Bible without explaining how to understand it correctly? You claim “almost all denominations” are wrong but never specify their errors or how to avoid them. You’re all antithesis, no thesis.

 

[Brakelite]

Your accusations recycle tired anti-Catholic tropes, misrepresenting sacraments as “substitutes” when they’re rooted in biblical mandates and Tradition. No one with a basic grasp of Catholic teaching—or even a cursory reading of the Catechism—could sincerely buy your simplistic lies.

Call them accusations if you will, but they didn't appear in a vacuum. I grew up a Catholic, was educated in Catholic schools, and considered myself Catholic until my mid 20s. I had no less an education in Catholic teaching than my peers. My "accusations" as you call them, are not empty rhetoric or mindless trolling. I didn't come to the conclusions I now hold without investigation, corroboration, and some serious historical analysis. Nor am I the first to come to a realization of the true prophetic identity of the Roman church. Going back as far as the early dark ages (so named for a reason), from the 7 th and 8th centuries on, serious Bible scholars and true Christians recognized the papacy as an enemy to truth and to God's people. The reformers of later centuries also were learned men, schooled in Catholic seminaries for the most part, and through study of the scriptures recognized how so perfectly prophetic did the papacy meet all the criteria required in order to be identified as the Antichrist. So. I utterly reject your counter claims that I'm lying and simply repeating anti Catholic slander. Finally, I am not anti Catholic. I am anti Catholicism, the system, not the people. God has people within that system, and He says. "Come out of her My people". And so I say to ask Catholics on this forum. Come out.

 

[Brakelite]

Question. For everyone. How much value do you place upon religious liberty?

 

[Chrysostomos]

Call them accusations if you will, but they didn't appear in a vacuum. I grew up a Catholic, was educated in Catholic schools, and considered myself Catholic until my mid 20s. I had no less an education in Catholic teaching than my peers. My "accusations" as you call them, are not empty rhetoric or mindless trolling. I didn't come to the conclusions I now hold without investigation, corroboration, and some serious historical analysis. Nor am I the first to come to a realization of the true prophetic identity of the Roman church. Going back as far as the early dark ages (so named for a reason), from the 7 th and 8th centuries on, serious Bible scholars and true Christians recognized the papacy as an enemy to truth and to God's people. The reformers of later centuries also were learned men, schooled in Catholic seminaries for the most part, and through study of the scriptures recognized how so perfectly prophetic did the papacy meet all the criteria required in order to be identified as the Antichrist. So. I utterly reject your counter claims that I'm lying and simply repeating anti Catholic slander. Finally, I am not anti Catholic. I am anti Catholicism, the system, not the people. God has people within that system, and He says. "Come out of her My people". And so I say to ask Catholics on this forum. Come out.

I understand your agenda is laser-focused on discrediting the Catholic Church, but you’re so rigidly bound to a Protestant playbook that you can’t even formulate a coherent critique of Orthodox Christianity. That’s why you’re hurling polemics at me, an Orthodox Christian, about the Catholic Church, despite my not being Catholic. You’re just mindlessly following a script.

The problem isn’t that you criticize Catholicism—it’s how you do it. The Orthodox Church has dogmatic disagreements with Catholicism, but we acknowledge that the Catholic Church possesses the gifts of the Holy Spirit despite those differences. You, however, accuse the Catholic Church of Satanism, paganism, being Babylon, and call the Pope the Antichrist. That’s absurd slander, devoid of arguments, evidence, or justification. You’re just spewing vitriol.

And why has this turned into a relentless anti-Catholic propaganda campaign?

 

[Brakelite]

I understand your agenda is laser-focused on discrediting the Catholic Church, but you’re so rigidly bound to a Protestant playbook that you can’t even formulate a coherent critique of Orthodox Christianity. That’s why you’re hurling polemics at me, an Orthodox Christian, about the Catholic Church, despite my not being Catholic. You’re just mindlessly following a script.

The problem isn’t that you criticize Catholicism—it’s how you do it. The Orthodox Church has dogmatic disagreements with Catholicism, but we acknowledge that the Catholic Church possesses the gifts of the Holy Spirit despite those differences. You, however, accuse the Catholic Church of Satanism, paganism, being Babylon, and call the Pope the Antichrist. That’s absurd slander, devoid of arguments, evidence, or justification. You’re just spewing vitriol.

And why has this turned into a relentless anti-Catholic propaganda campaign?

You forget so quickly. Quote...That’s why you’re hurling polemics at me... My initial post regarding Catholicism was in response to someone else, not you. and you jumped in to defend the Catholic faith, calling me a liar. Having an agenda. Being laser focused on criticizing Catholicism. What I'm doing is simply explaining my perspective, and you are getting your knickers all twisted because you are offended.
Interesting that you are accusing me of having no evidence, of having no basis for the claims I'm making, yet not once have you actually asked for any. You may remember that I did mention that I'm following in the footsteps of the reformers, and numerous others before me who for centuries have attested to the truths of prophetic Scripture that clearly testify to the identity of the papacy as the Antichrist. Please note. I have never once in all the years I have been on this forum did I ...Quote...call the Pope the Antichrist.

What studies have you done into the charges of heresy and unchristian activities of the Catholic Church? What questions have you asked as to why the reformers, virtually without exception, and at the cost of their lives, persisted so faithfully to a belief you claim is bogus? What inquiries have you made into how accurate the reformers' testimony was regarding the church they all wanted to reform, but were murdered for their trouble?

Do you really want the evidence, or are you, like the rest of Babylon, content to remain in ignorance?

 

[Chrysostomos]

You forget so quickly. Quote...That’s why you’re hurling polemics at me... My initial post regarding Catholicism was in response to someone else, not you. and you jumped in to defend the Catholic faith, calling me a liar. Having an agenda. Being laser focused on criticizing Catholicism. What I'm doing is simply explaining my perspective, and you are getting your knickers all twisted because you are offended.
Interesting that you are accusing me of having no evidence, of having no basis for the claims I'm making, yet not once have you actually asked for any. You may remember that I did mention that I'm following in the footsteps of the reformers, and numerous others before me who for centuries have attested to the truths of prophetic Scripture that clearly testify to the identity of the papacy as the Antichrist. Please note. I have never once in all the years I have been on this forum did I ...Quote...call the Pope the Antichrist.

What studies have you done into the charges of heresy and unchristian activities of the Catholic Church? What questions have you asked as to why the reformers, virtually without exception, and at the cost of their lives, persisted so faithfully to a belief you claim is bogus? What inquiries have you made into how accurate the reformers' testimony was regarding the church they all wanted to reform, but were murdered for their trouble?

Do you really want the evidence, or are you, like the rest of Babylon, content to remain in ignorance?

I’ve already explained that I’m not defending Catholicism itself but the Holy Spirit, which you blaspheme by claiming the Catholic Church is of the devil. I’ve repeatedly pointed out the absurdity of accusing the Catholic Church of Satanism, Babylonian practices, or paganism.
Catholics confess Jesus Christ as Lord, believe in His resurrection, and are baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

The fact that some Protestants broadly condemn Catholics proves nothing. Protestants accuse each other of grave sins just as vehemently. And here, you and others like you are essentially accusing all Christians—Catholics, Orthodox, and many Protestants—of being false. Your sole mission seems to be discrediting Christianity as a whole.

Take @amigo de christo, for instance, who doesn’t attend church but sits in his solitary little bunker.
@Lizbeth admitted she hasn’t been to church in years.
What about you?
Do you attend church? If so, which one? Or are you also a “lone wolf”?

You sit here on the forum, skillfully “demonizing” the Catholic Church, engaging in blatant smear campaigns, conjuring up such monstrous accusations from nothing that you could frame an innocent book club as a criminal terrorist group with those tactics.

But let’s talk about Christian Zionists, Talmudic Jews, and modern Israel. Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? 2 Chronicles 19:2

Your silence on these matters is deafening.

 

[Chrysostomos]

@Brakelite , @amigo de christo , @Lizbeth regarding the “spirit of Babylon,” if anyone fits that description, it’s Protestants.

It’s in Protestant churches that Christian Zionism thrives, supporting Talmudic Jews who seek to build the Third Temple.

It’s in Protestant churches that the entire LGBQ+alphabet agenda flourishes.

Protestant churches widely feature pastors who are women, lesbians, trans individuals, and homosexuals.
Many Protestant churches even conduct gay marriage ceremonies.

And you still dare to accuse Catholics of the “spirit of Babylon”?
You still claim the Pope is the Antichrist?

Your pastors are Zionists, women, lesbians, trans individuals, and homosexuals.
If anyone embodies the Antichrist, it’s these so-called “pastors”—Zionists, women, lesbians, trans individuals, and homosexuals.

 

[amigo de christo]

@Brakelite , @amigo de christo , @Lizbeth regarding the “spirit of Babylon,” if anyone fits that description, it’s Protestants.

It’s in Protestant churches that Christian Zionism thrives, supporting Talmudic Jews who seek to build the Third Temple.

It’s in Protestant churches that the entire LGBQ+alphabet agenda flourishes.

Protestant churches widely feature pastors who are women, lesbians, trans individuals, and homosexuals.
Many Protestant churches even conduct gay marriage ceremonies.

And you still dare to accuse Catholics of the “spirit of Babylon”?
You still claim the Pope is the Antichrist?

Your pastors are Zionists, women, lesbians, trans individuals, and homosexuals.
If anyone embodies the Antichrist, it’s these so-called “pastors”—Zionists, women, lesbians, trans individuals, and homosexuals.

Now we might be getting somewhere
BOTH KINGDOMS ARE under operation of this spirit of Babylon .
From the pits of their mother hen the RCC to the feathers of its protestant back
all gather under the wrong mother hen . She will not be able to defend and protect her children
on the DAY of the LORD from the wrath of ALL MIGHTY GOD and of the LAMB .
We better do a fast track out of any place connected to the cry of an ecumencial Harlot .
For she sits high on a city on a hill
and cries to all her protestant daughters come to and let us call all religoins of mother earth
to be as one , for we all serve the same God . But little do they know
that the harlot is very wise and even a truth can be seen in her cry that we all serve the same
for any who sitteth and drinks of that cup do serve the same god . AND NOT RATHER THE ONLY GOD .

 

[Chrysostomos]

@amigo de christo

With your approach, you’ve already retreated to your solitary bunker. All you offer are antitheses, with one goal: to discredit all of Christianity.

As for the Orthodox Church, from a canonical perspective, there can be no “pastors”—Zionists, women, lesbians, trans individuals, or homosexuals.

 

[Brakelite]

@Brakelite , @amigo de christo , @Lizbeth regarding the “spirit of Babylon,” if anyone fits that description, it’s Protestants.

It’s in Protestant churches that Christian Zionism thrives, supporting Talmudic Jews who seek to build the Third Temple.

It’s in Protestant churches that the entire LGBQ+alphabet agenda flourishes.

Protestant churches widely feature pastors who are women, lesbians, trans individuals, and homosexuals.
Many Protestant churches even conduct gay marriage ceremonies.

And you still dare to accuse Catholics of the “spirit of Babylon”?
You still claim the Pope is the Antichrist?

Your pastors are Zionists, women, lesbians, trans individuals, and homosexuals.
If anyone embodies the Antichrist, it’s these so-called “pastors”—Zionists, women, lesbians, trans individuals, and homosexuals.

You are correct. And they are the daughters of the harlot who have inherited the same profession. But you still haven't asked me. Why do I believe the things I do. All you do is repeatedly call me a liar and a slanderer. And again, I am not calling the Pope the Antichrist. Don't you read my posts? . Nor am I anti Catholic. . I have never been anti Catholic. You will never see me write anything that is critical of any individual Catholic. There are many Catholics who are genuine Christians, living in full harmony with what light they have. That's why God calls His people out. God has people in Babylon. My criticism is aimed at the institution itself that has deceived millions over many centuries, and has never changed. Can a leopard change its spots? Neither can one accustomed to do evil do good. Again, just as a reminder, I am happy to provide all the evidence you require if you are interested as to why I believe the Catholic Church institution is the Antichrist of Revelation.