So Joseph married Mary but didn’t have sex?

[Jesussaves150]

Whether they believed or not they still should of been there if they were his true brothers and sisters he was being crucified with Mary there all by herself what kind of children are they being absent.Is that what you would of done - not show up or care.

 

[David in NJ]

According to the scripture, they were married but hadn't had sex. That was all before being visited by angels. You don't find that odd?

They did not have sex because Mary was already pregnant with child BEFORE Joseph got 'his feet wet'.

Joseph, finding out Mary was pregnant wanted to privately "put her away" for it would be a HUGE DISGRACE to Joseph.
Thus the Angel appeared to prevent that.

 

[David in NJ]

Whether they believed or not they still should of been there if they were his true brothers and sisters he was being crucified with Mary there all by herself what kind of children are they being absent.Is that what you would of done - not show up or care.

Wrong Timeframe in History for that to take place.

During that time, you did not associate with adulterers.

Even today, certain religions continue to practice stoning/killing adulterers = also known as "honor killings".

 

[Jesussaves150]

Do you know what they did to women who were pregnant out of wedlock - they stoned them to death.The Angel appeared to protect Jesus the son of God and his mother not Joseph's disgrace.

 

[David in NJ]

Do you know what they did to women who were pregnant out of wedlock - they stoned them to death.The Angel appeared to protect Jesus the son of God and his mother not Joseph's disgrace.

That was a given - AND - Joseph did not want that to happen to Mary!!!

Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privately.

 

[Jesussaves150]

Who's the adulteress that your talking about?Mary?They got stoned to death for that it was a very religious society not like today and that was the punishment for that sin.

Jesus was present at one himself where they were going to stone a woman to death - he who is without sin can cast the first stone.

 

[David in NJ]

Who's the adulteress that your talking about?Mary?They got stoned to death for that it was a very religious society not like today and that was the punishment for that sin.

Mary was pregnant = Mary would be the adulteress had she not be with Child from the Holy Spirit.

Thus why Joseph wanted to put her away PRIVATELY = He was seeking to protect her and himself as well.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Whether they believed or not they still should of been there if they were his true brothers and sisters he was being crucified with Mary there all by herself what kind of children are they being absent.Is that what you would of done - not show up or care.

We don't know that they weren't there.
Even from the cross Jesus was still teaching in parables.
The Disciple Jesus chose to be his mother's son was so she would be cared for after His passing.Because Joseph was already passed on.

Also,the brothers of Jesus did not become believers until after his death.

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John 7:5 For not even his brothers believed in him.

 

[NotTheRock]

Whether they believed or not they still should of been there if they were his true brothers and sisters he was being crucified with Mary there all by herself what kind of children are they being absent.Is that what you would of done - not show up or care.

We simply do not know. Maybe they were in another town and were unaware. Building a theology without solid scriptural evidence is nonsensical.

 

[NotTheRock]

They did not have sex because Mary was already pregnant with child BEFORE Joseph got 'his feet wet'.

Are you saying that Mary was pregnant before they were married?

 

[David in NJ]

Are you saying that Mary was pregnant before they were married?

They did not get 'married' in the same timeframe as today.

BEFORE the time for them to enter the marriage tent for husband/wife intercourse they were BETROTHED to each other.

Betrothal means that they were married to each other from the moment of being Betrothed to each other.
Then they had to wait for 'The Big Day' when the full moons are out.

The best-known example of betrothal is that of Jesus’ mother, Mary, and her fiancé, Joseph. When Joseph learned that Mary was pregnant, and before he understood the miraculous nature of the conception, he thought that Mary had violated her betrothal, which was as binding as a marriage contract. At first, Joseph believed that his only recourse was to divorce her, or “put her away.” Matthew records the account: “This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about. His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly” (Matthew 1:18–19). Matthew says that Mary was “pledged to be married,” but he also calls Joseph “her husband.” The fact that a “divorce” was required to break the betrothal shows that their premarital contract was legally binding. If, even during the betrothal period, Mary had been sexually intimate with someone other than Joseph, she would have been guilty of adultery.

 

[JohnDB]

Are you saying that Joseph and Mary may have had some trust issues in their marriage right from the get-go that spilled over into their sex life?

Joseph: "Can I believe her when she says she wasn't unfaithful? Can I marry her for a lifetime based on some weird dream about talking to G_d, or did I just put too much pepper on my falafel that night? Will she remain faithful after we're married? Am I being played for a fool?"

Mary: "He doesn't believe me. He was going to "quietly" abandon me. Will he be there for me when I need him?"

The narrative doesn't say that was what was going through their minds, but human nature being what it is...

I'm not saying it was scary for them EXCEPT while Mary was carrying Baby Jesus.

But TODAY, for most people, it seems that standards for physical intimacy have not changed (at least here in America and other parts of the world) Despite the mass media hype of the contrary.

Turkey is currently nation that the average person has the most multiple partners. sexual.partners.

 

[JohnDB]

They did not get 'married' in the same timeframe as today.

BEFORE the time for them to enter the marriage tent for husband/wife intercourse they were BETROTHED to each other.

Betrothal means that they were married to each other from the moment of being Betrothed to each other.
Then they had to wait for 'The Big Day' when the full moons are out.

There were 4 different levels of "engagement/marriage".

Each one had a party surrounding the various steps.

Starting with the agreement to engage in negotiations between the two families.

Then there's the negotiations of the bride price...and paying it.

The writing of the Ketubah and the building of the marital home

Final marriage ceremony which also includes consumption. (Week long ceremony and party)

 

[Aunty Jane]

A woman couldn't prove her virginity after her hymen was broken during consummation.
Which is why a bride was examined by the women in her family or village prior to the marriage.

Exactly....the whole purpose of virginity was for the woman to keep herself for marriage, which to God was a sacred, forever arrangement. Only the death or adultery of a mate could sever the marriage bond.

Joseph and Mary didn't have to leave their home out of fear her pregnancy would shame them as having occurred before marriage.

Scripture says otherwise. To be found pregnant before marriage was shameful and incurred a penalty...sometimes death. This is why Joseph was going to “divorce her secretly”, so that she would not carry that stigma. It shows that he was an honorable man.

If God begat Himself upon her, she would still be virgin.
They could have wed with none the wiser. Because the test of her virginity would show she was still virgin. And by the time she would have showed in her pregnancy they would already be wed.

How then would all that Scripture have been fulfilled if Mary and Joseph weren’t aware of the origins of the child born into their family. To all and sundry, he was just “Jesus the carpenter’s son”.....but Mary and Joseph knew who he was, and what he would become, even though Joseph had apparently died before Jesus began his ministry. Mary was right there with him, remembering all that Gabriel had told her about the child she would carry....and his stature as “the son of God”....born to save the world from their sins.

How would anyone know that he was the product of Holy Spirit and would fulfill all that the Scriptures had foretold about him?...if she was not a virgin when he was born....his main claim as Messiah was to fulfill a prophesy over which he had no control....and neither did his parents. He was to be born (not just conceived) of a virgin.

 

[David in NJ]

There were 4 different levels of "engagement/marriage".

Each one had a party surrounding the various steps.

Starting with the agreement to engage in negotiations between the two families.

Then there's the negotiations of the bride price...and paying it.

The writing of the Ketubah and the building of the marital home

Final marriage ceremony which also includes consumption. (Week long ceremony and party)

Thank you for sharing

 

[David in NJ]

Exactly....the whole purpose of virginity was for the woman to keep herself for marriage, which to God was a sacred, forever arrangement. Only the death or adultery of a mate could sever the marriage bond.

Scripture says otherwise. To be found pregnant before marriage was shameful and incurred a penalty...sometimes death. This is why Joseph was going to “divorce her secretly”, so that she would not carry that stigma. It shows that he was an honorable man.

How then would all that Scripture have been fulfilled if Mary and Joseph weren’t aware of the origins of the child born into their family. To all and sundry, he was just “Jesus the carpenter’s son”.....but Mary and Joseph knew who he was, and what he would become, even though Joseph had apparently died before Jesus began his ministry. Mary was right there with him, remembering all that Gabriel had told her about the child she would carry....and his stature as “the son of God”....born to save the world from their sins.

How would anyone know that he was the product of Holy Spirit and would fulfill all that the Scriptures had foretold about him?...if she was not a virgin when he was born....his main claim as Messiah was to fulfill a prophesy over which he had no control....and neither did his parents. He was to be born (not just conceived) of a virgin.

Great post Aunty

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Exactly....the whole purpose of virginity was for the woman to keep herself for marriage, which to God was a sacred, forever arrangement. Only the death or adultery of a mate could sever the marriage bond.

Forever until the woman was wed.

Scripture says otherwise. To be found pregnant before marriage was shameful and incurred a penalty...sometimes death.

By tradition they would not have been engaged without Mary's virginity being confirmed first.
Besides,the Holy Spirit begat Jesus upon Mary.It would have taken months before she started to show in her pregnant state.

This is why Joseph was going to “divorce her secretly”, so that she would not carry that stigma. It shows that he was an honorable man.

It shows that he was going to bail while she would still be showing pregnancy in time without him there.

He would have had to answer for abandoning his pregnant wife.

How then would all that Scripture have been fulfilled if Mary and Joseph weren’t aware of the origins of the child born into their family. To all and sundry, he was just “Jesus the carpenter’s son”.....but Mary and Joseph knew who he was, and what he would become, even though Joseph had apparently died before Jesus began his ministry. Mary was right there with him, remembering all that Gabriel had told her about the child she would carry....and his stature as “the son of God”....born to save the world from their sins.

How would anyone know that he was the product of Holy Spirit and would fulfill all that the Scriptures had foretold about him?...if she was not a virgin when he was born....his main claim as Messiah was to fulfill a prophesy over which he had no control....and neither did his parents. He was to be born (not just conceived) of a virgin.

Yet,Mary and Joseph left their homeland as a married couple.And then the pregnancy became physically apparent.

They could have stayed home and been safe. Because she would have still been a virgin. No need to flee in fear. And when she started showing it would have been a natural step in the marriage.

 

[NotTheRock]

BEFORE the time for them to enter the marriage tent for husband/wife intercourse they were BETROTHED to each other.

Betrothal means that they were married to each other from the moment of being Betrothed to each other.
Then they had to wait for 'The Big Day' when the full moons are out.

Was it normal for Jews to be betrothed and then wait for a period of time before having sex?

 

[David in NJ]

Was it normal for Jews to be betrothed and then wait for a period of time before having sex?

YES

 

[NotTheRock]

They did not get 'married' in the same timeframe as today.

BEFORE the time for them to enter the marriage tent for husband/wife intercourse they were BETROTHED to each other.

Betrothal means that they were married to each other from the moment of being Betrothed to each other.
Then they had to wait for 'The Big Day' when the full moons are out.

Ok. Thank you.