Christians who hate Israel

[Chrysostomos]

TRUTH & Understanding ALREADY covered by GOD in His WORD = get UP to Warp Speed in the Holy Spirit

STOP running circles in you r own head and LISTEN

You speak of "TRUTH & Understanding." Let's look at the truth directly from the words of Jesus Christ himself.

Here is the quote from the Gospel that you seem to need to be reminded of:

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"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."​

- Matthew 18:6 (KJV)

This biblical passage, as accurately as possible, reflects the only appropriate Christian stance towards those who harm children.
This is the "Warp Speed" of God's judgment on the matter.
There is no "understanding" or "covering" for such evil; there is only a warning of utter doom.

 

[amigo de christo]

You speak of "TRUTH & Understanding." Let's look at the truth directly from the words of Jesus Christ himself.

Here is the quote from the Gospel that you seem to need to be reminded of:

​

"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."​

- Matthew 18:6 (KJV)

This biblical passage, as accurately as possible, reflects the only appropriate Christian stance towards those who harm children.
This is the "Warp Speed" of God's judgment on the matter.
There is no "understanding" or "covering" for such evil; there is only a warning of utter doom.

the wicked have done much evil unto this generation of children .
So wicked in fact , that children have to actually sit and learn from teachers the agenda of a very wicked group
with a very wicked agenda .
In the beginning He created them male and female
and for this cause shall a man cleave to his wife
HAS become in todays generation
Recreate thineself in the many gender and pronouns
and man with man and women with women . Very dark t imes indeed .

 

[amigo de christo]

The people over in that nation state are not of Yah

Any and all who hear NOT the SON , believe not on the SON has not the Father .
He who believes not the testimony that GOD gave of the SON calls GOD a liar .
Today that has become OH it dont matter if one believes the gospel
HEY all religoins serving God differently . THAT BE OF ANTI CHRIST and we sure do not
want to join in and support ANY who work that interfaith upon us .
The children of LIGHT , OF JESUS THE CHRIST , OF GOD
do not find common ground with darkness . LIGHT exposes darkness .

 

[amigo de christo]

The people over in that nation state are not of Yah

We got two peoples .
The chidren of darkness , trapped in the darkness
And then you have the CHILDREN OF GOD ALL MIGHTY whose faith be IN JESUS and have
been translated from the darkness into THE LIGHT .
THESE are the children of GOD ALL MIGHTY HIMSELF .
Those , whether jew or gentile born , who BELEIVE IN JESUS CHRIST
are those children who walk in the FAITH OF GOD .
To the trenches one and all , for we have a gospel to defend

 

[David in NJ]

You speak of "TRUTH & Understanding." Let's look at the truth directly from the words of Jesus Christ himself.

Here is the quote from the Gospel that you seem to need to be reminded of:

​

"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."​

- Matthew 18:6 (KJV)

This biblical passage, as accurately as possible, reflects the only appropriate Christian stance towards those who harm children.
This is the "Warp Speed" of God's judgment on the matter.
There is no "understanding" or "covering" for such evil; there is only a warning of utter doom.

Two different applications.

 

[David in NJ]

You have now completely confirmed that you are using the Bible to justify and excuse the crime of child sexual abuse.

You quote a passage about a "young woman" who is betrothed, deliberately ignoring the critical fact that the victim in this case was a 12-year-old child. A child is not a "young woman." The rules and responsibilities of an adult do not, and cannot, apply to a child.

Furthermore, we are living in the 21st century. Our society has progressed, and we have laws—a criminal code—that clearly defines and punishes crimes against children, including sexual assault. These laws exist to protect the most vulnerable, not to blame them.

So, are you seriously suggesting that children who have become victims of criminal acts by pedophiles should be stoned to death?
Do not hide behind "this is what the Bible says." Nowhere in the Bible does it say to commit such a monstrous act.
Using scripture to advocate for the execution of a victim is not piety; it is a monstrous defense of a pedophile and a direct attack on the child.

You have completely confirmed that you are going in circles in your head and now you are on a tangent.

 

[amigo de christo]

You have completely confirmed that you are going in circles in your head and now you are on a tangent.

Politics will be the destruction of this people .
Ecumenical interfaith will be its ruin .
And there is no place its influence to some degree has not entered . From media , to govts and to churches
From education and throughout the world , The WHORE has infiltrated all
and will be the destruction of this people .
The LET GOD be true but every man a liar , Has become let what pleases thine own self be true
as the WORDS of GOD ALL MIGHTY get cast behind them in favor for that which pleases their fleshly desires .
Humanity and her religoins will do as they do
BUT THE SHEEP gonna do as JESUS SAID an says TO DO .
FOR THIS cause came i into the world to TESTIFY of the TRUTH
all that are of the TRUTH hear MY VOICE .
And NO LIE is of the TRUTH . NO LIE . sheep dont buy the lie and sell the truth
SHEEP BUY TRUTH ONLY and sell HER NOT .

 

[Lizbeth]

It always takes two to tango EXCEPT in rape and forced coercion.

There was a young girl who consented in the Garden to sin and then she brought that sin to her husband = DEATH

i do not know the facts with the Roberts case = never read up on it

When someone pleads guilty it usually is a, means and way, to lesser charges.

AGREE = "Victims often wait years to come forward due to shame, fear, or lack of support, and that’s not uncommon."

FYI - GOD commanded for girls/women to "CRY OUT" when being raped = BEST WAY to KNOW = Deuteronomy ch22

But if the thing is true, and evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, 21then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done a disgraceful thing in Israel, to play the harlot in her father’s house. So you shall [d]put away the evil from among you.

“If a young woman who is a virgin is betrothed to a husband, and a man finds her in the city and lies with her, 24then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city, and you shall stone them to death with stones, the young woman because she did not cry out in the city, and the man because he humbled his neighbor’s wife; so you shall put away the evil from among you.

25“But if a man finds a betrothed young woman in the countryside, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. 26But you shall do nothing to the young woman; there is in the young woman no sin deserving of death, for just as when a man rises against his neighbor and kills him, even so is this matter. 27For he found her in the countryside, and the betrothed young woman cried out, but there was no one to save her.

No doubt Israelite girls of marriageable age would have been taught those verses of the bible. But I'm not sure they would have spoken to children about such things. Victims of abuse are usually traumatized and can be confused about what happened to them for a very long time....not even beginning to process it until a long time later. Where there is grooming involved, the confusion, guilt and shame can be even worse I think. The devil is very clever and subtle.......he knows how to cloud issues and cause confusion and turn the guilt onto the victim....and there can be controlling spirits involved as well. It's not always clear cut in the mind of the victim until they actually process what happened to them. And in cases where a child or woman is grabbed violently they can be paralyzed by fear......or afraid for their lives so instinctively may want to avoid provoking their attacker...and then on top of that shame and self-blame sets in afterwards.

And yikes, let's remember those verses were under the letter of the Law......not under mercy. And in any case, if a victim doesn't tell anyone what happened or is happening..............that doesn't exonerate the perpetrator.

 

[Chrysostomos]

Two different applications.

No, there are not "two different applications."

There is only one approach from Jesus Christ for those who harm children:
"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." - Matthew 18:6 (KJV)

You are trying to create loopholes where Jesus himself offered none. The scripture is clear.

Stop using the Bible to justify pedophilia.
Stop justifying pedophilia.

 

[amigo de christo]

No doubt Israelite girls of marriageable age would have been taught those verses of the bible. But I'm not sure they would have spoken to children about such things. Victims of abuse are usually traumatized and can be confused about what happened to them for a very long time....not even beginning to process it until a long time later. Where there is grooming involved, the confusion, guilt and shame can be even worse I think. The devil is very clever and subtle.......he knows how to cloud issues and cause confusion and turn the guilt onto the victim....and there can be controlling spirits involved as well. It's not always clear cut in the mind of the victim until they actually process what happened to them. And in cases where a child or woman is grabbed violently they can be paralyzed by fear......or afraid for their lives so instinctively may want to avoid provoking their attacker...and then on top of that shame and self-blame sets in afterwards.

And yikes, let's remember those verses were under the letter of the Law......not under mercy. And in any case, if a victim doesn't tell anyone what happened or is happening..............that doesn't exonerate the perpetrator.

The serpent is very wise , cunning and deceptive .
And always he will pander to the flesh of man by which to seduce man .
There be only one escape from the power of darkness and of satan .
HIS NAME BE JESUS
and ONE MUST BELEIVE ON HIM . The fruit of the wicked is to sin
the Fruit of the SPIRIT is in all goodness , righteousness and Truth , proving what is acceptable to GOD .
Sin aint . Yet i sure see more and more sins being called good by means of a false love .
The devil is a liar , you can bank on that sister and he does know how to twist the scriptures .
And yet many seem to love a lie and not rather THE TRUTH . I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE
and no man cometh to the FATHER but by me .
As with everything JESUS ever said , HE IS TRUTH and HIS WORDS BE TRUTH .
LET GOD be true but every man a liar . Just a reminder for us all my dear sister . As i know you already know this .

 

[Lizbeth]

You have now completely confirmed that you are using the Bible to justify and excuse the crime of child sexual abuse.

You quote a passage about a "young woman" who is betrothed, deliberately ignoring the critical fact that the victim in this case was a 12-year-old child. A child is not a "young woman." The rules and responsibilities of an adult do not, and cannot, apply to a child.

Furthermore, we are living in the 21st century. Our society has progressed, and we have laws—a criminal code—that clearly defines and punishes crimes against children, including sexual assault. These laws exist to protect the most vulnerable, not to blame them.

So, are you seriously suggesting that children who have become victims of criminal acts by pedophiles should be stoned to death?
Do not hide behind "this is what the Bible says." Nowhere in the Bible does it say to commit such a monstrous act.
Using scripture to advocate for the execution of a victim is not piety; it is a monstrous defense of a pedophile and a direct attack on the child.

This conversation is disturbing to say the least. Up until recently we've been living in a more civilized and less "rugged" society due to being at least nominally Christianized and under greater blessing. Life was shorter and more brutal in ancient times and it appears that perhaps children were forced to grow up faster than today due to less than ideal realities.

Just want to say that pedophilia seems to be a hallmark of Mystery Babylon (millstone)...In Jewish, Catholic as well as Protestant circles. Well, we are already well aware of it going on in the Catholic church, and I'm aware of Talmudic Judaism, but I've been watching for the Lord to start exposing it in the fallen away protestant realm as well. It is a "pagan" satanic phenomenon....such as cult of Ba'al......except that when what used to be of God falls, it can become worse than pagans. I can't think of anything more depraved than abusing and exploiting children in this way, I think it's probably the lowest form of sin there is.

 

[David in NJ]

No doubt Israelite girls of marriageable age would have been taught those verses of the bible. But I'm not sure they would have spoken to children about such things. Victims of abuse are usually traumatized and can be confused about what happened to them for a very long time....not even beginning to process it until a long time later. Where there is grooming involved, the confusion, guilt and shame can be even worse I think. The devil is very clever and subtle.......he knows how to cloud issues and cause confusion and turn the guilt onto the victim....and there can be controlling spirits involved as well. It's not always clear cut in the mind of the victim until they actually process what happened to them. And in cases where a child or woman is grabbed violently they can be paralyzed by fear......or afraid for their lives so instinctively may want to avoid provoking their attacker...and then on top of that shame and self-blame sets in afterwards.

And yikes, let's remember those verses were under the letter of the Law......not under mercy. And in any case, if a victim doesn't tell anyone what happened or is happening..............that doesn't exonerate the perpetrator.

AGREE

The discussion is NOT on forced rape = that is crystal clear = FORCED

The discussions main focus is on the fact that God created male/female with sexual desire that begins at a very early age of 12.
God, who weighs the intents and motives made CLEAR that BOTH participants have RESPONSIBILTY to God's law on sexual purity.

AGAIN - Initial Post Repeated= the Discussion is on how factual evidence determines what took place = over 4 Years

Always examine all evidence and remember - people lie or adjust the facts to their favor.

LEGAL/LAW Questions to ask
#1 - How long was the liaison active?
#2 - What were the ages of the 'participants'?
#3 - Was the young woman forced?
#4 - Was she coerced? If, 'yes', in what way/manner
#5 - Did she confide in any one that she was being forced or coerced??? = If 'yes' = when and to whom
#5 - Why did she wait 40 years to come forward?
#6 - MANY young woman DESIRE older men and are active participants which is a TRAP for all men and women.
#7 - When i was 20 years old(unsaved), i turned away many a young woman who desired my muscular & handsome physique

#8 - What if i enjoyed that "pleasure of sin for the moment" with the willing girl and now 40 years later she cries "assault"

AGAIN - girls as young as 12 can have strong sexual desires and seek out to explore = especially with boys/men older then themselves.
Thus why GOD gave CLEAR judgment on this matter which is NOT about forced rape.

Many young underage girls are SEEKING sexual encounters = more so now then ever because of the pollution on the internet.
One girl, age 12, was so sexually active that she arranged meet-ups with older men for sex.
She did it one too many times and ended up dead.

What about 14, 15, 16, 17 age "girls-gone-wild' with older men = GOD Says both the young women and the men are GUILTY

Satan tempted Eve to get to Adam = this has never stopped and the power of Sin works BOTH ways

This is NOT about exonerating a perpetrator which can be a man or a woman.

 

[Chrysostomos]

AGREE

The discussion is NOT on forced rape = that is crystal clear = FORCED

The discussions main focus is on the fact that God created male/female with sexual desire that begins at a very early age of 12.
God, who weighs the intents and motives made CLEAR that BOTH participants have RESPONSIBILTY to God's law on sexual purity.

AGAIN - Initial Post Repeated= the Discussion is on how factual evidence determines what took place = over 4 Years

Always examine all evidence and remember - people lie or adjust the facts to their favor.

LEGAL/LAW Questions to ask
#1 - How long was the liaison active?
#2 - What were the ages of the 'participants'?
#3 - Was the young woman forced?
#4 - Was she coerced? If, 'yes', in what way/manner
#5 - Did she confide in any one that she was being forced or coerced??? = If 'yes' = when and to whom
#5 - Why did she wait 40 years to come forward?
#6 - MANY young woman DESIRE older men and are active participants which is a TRAP for all men and women.
#7 - When i was 20 years old(unsaved), i turned away many a young woman who desired my muscular & handsome physique

#8 - What if i enjoyed that "pleasure of sin for the moment" with the willing girl and now 40 years later she cries "assault"

AGAIN - girls as young as 12 can have strong sexual desires and seek out to explore = especially with boys/men older then themselves.
Thus why GOD gave CLEAR judgment on this matter which is NOT about forced rape.

Many young underage girls are SEEKING sexual encounters = more so now then ever because of the pollution on the internet.
One girl, age 12, was so sexually active that she arranged meet-ups with older men for sex.
She did it one too many times and ended up dead.

What about 14, 15, 16, 17 age "girls-gone-wild' with older men = GOD Says both the young women and the men are GUILTY

Satan tempted Eve to get to Adam = this has never stopped and the power of Sin works BOTH ways

This is NOT about exonerating a perpetrator which can be a man or a woman.

Yes, according to U.S. law, if an adult man has sexual relations with a 12-year-old girl, it’s a crime in every single state. It’s called “statutory rape” or “sexual abuse of a minor,” and it comes with jail time.

The age of consent varies by state, but it’s generally between 16 and 18. For a 12-year-old, the concept of consent doesn’t even apply because they’re legally incapable of giving it. Even if she seemed to “agree,” it wouldn’t matter legally because she hasn’t reached the age where she can make that decision.

So, if you had sexual relations with a 12-year-old and she came forward years later, yes, you would go to jail.

You’d be sitting in a cell, explaining your twisted pedophilic theology to your cellmates.

On one hand, it's humane, but on the other hand, Jesus insisted that it would be better to drown such offenders.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, according to U.S. law, if an adult man has sexual relations with a 12-year-old girl, it’s a crime in every single state. It’s called “statutory rape” or “sexual abuse of a minor,” and it comes with jail time.

The age of consent varies by state, but it’s generally between 16 and 18. For a 12-year-old, the concept of consent doesn’t even apply because they’re legally incapable of giving it. Even if she seemed to “agree,” it wouldn’t matter legally because she hasn’t reached the age where she can make that decision.

So, if you had sexual relations with a 12-year-old and she came forward years later, yes, you would go to jail.

You’d be sitting in a cell, explaining your twisted pedophilic theology to your cellmates.

On one hand, it's humane, but on the other hand, Jesus insisted that it would be better to drown such offenders.

When one side is held unaccountable that is also a problem .
Folks need to be raising them children up in the way they should go .
You would marvel at what some of the younger girls now do .
You can bet if my daughter had even attempted it , SHE darn sure would have been accountable to me .
These kids are not dumb and they will play to the child card when it suits them
all the while trying to partake in activities that ONLY GROWN MARRIED folks should do .
Any man that fondles a twelve year old needs to be in jail .
But the twelve year old also needs to be held accountable , IF it was consensual .
COme now , twelve year olds are OLD enough TO KNOW BETTER than to do such a thi ng .
But if they are not held accountable , Some are just going to continue to do so and then play the child card
to their own advantage .

 

[Chrysostomos]

When one side is held unaccountable that is also a problem .
Folks need to be raising them children up in the way they should go .
You would marvel at what some of the younger girls now do .
You can bet if my daughter had even attempted it , SHE darn sure would have been accountable to me .
These kids are not dumb and they will play to the child card when it suits them
all the while trying to partake in activities that ONLY GROWN MARRIED folks should do .
Any man that fondles a twelve year old needs to be in jail .
But the twelve year old also needs to be held accountable , IF it was consensual .
COme now , twelve year olds are OLD enough TO KNOW BETTER than to do such a thi ng .
But if they are not held accountable , Some are just going to continue to do so and then play the child card
to their own advantage .

It seems I've stumbled into a den of pedophile apologists.
Let’s get one thing straight:
Legally and morally, a 12-year-old child cannot consent. Period. It doesn't matter if they "initiate," "seduce," or "beg."

So, to be perfectly clear: even if a 12-year-old child were to take your pants off themselves, even if they were to plead with you for sex, if you do it, you will go to prison.
While you're in prison, you can complain all you want about the child's parents. The law, and any sane person, will see you for what you are: a child predator.That’s the law, and that’s justice.

I'm stunned that I even have to debate this: raping children is wrong.

From a Christian perspective, even consensual sex between two adults outside of marriage is considered a sin, so adults should avoid it. Sure, it’s legal if both are consenting adults, but it’s still immoral by Christian standards. But raping a 12-year-old? That shouldn’t even be up for debate.

The very fact that I have to stand here and explain to you that raping children is wrong... it speaks to a profound sickness in your soul. Shame on you.

 

[amigo de christo]

It seems I've stumbled into a den of pedophile apologists.
Let’s get one thing straight:
Legally and morally, a 12-year-old child cannot consent. Period. It doesn't matter if they "initiate," "seduce," or "beg."

So, to be perfectly clear: even if a 12-year-old child were to take your pants off themselves, even if they were to plead with you for sex, if you do it, you will go to prison.
While you're in prison, you can complain all you want about the child's parents. The law, and any sane person, will see you for what you are: a child predator.That’s the law, and that’s justice.

I'm stunned that I even have to debate this: raping children is wrong.

From a Christian perspective, even consensual sex between two adults outside of marriage is considered a sin, so adults should avoid it. Sure, it’s legal if both are consenting adults, but it’s still immoral by Christian standards. But raping a 12-year-old? That shouldn’t even be up for debate.

The very fact that I have to stand here and explain to you that raping children is wrong... it speaks to a profound sickness in your soul. Shame on you.

I never said they s hould not go to prison . They should go to prison .
I just said the twelve year old who intiates need to also get a lesser form of punishemnt .
You dont listen at all . I was not defending the peodo my friend . He s hould , or she should , go to prison .

 

[amigo de christo]

It seems I've stumbled into a den of pedophile apologists.
Let’s get one thing straight:
Legally and morally, a 12-year-old child cannot consent. Period. It doesn't matter if they "initiate," "seduce," or "beg."

So, to be perfectly clear: even if a 12-year-old child were to take your pants off themselves, even if they were to plead with you for sex, if you do it, you will go to prison.
While you're in prison, you can complain all you want about the child's parents. The law, and any sane person, will see you for what you are: a child predator.That’s the law, and that’s justice.

I'm stunned that I even have to debate this: raping children is wrong.

From a Christian perspective, even consensual sex between two adults outside of marriage is considered a sin, so adults should avoid it. Sure, it’s legal if both are consenting adults, but it’s still immoral by Christian standards. But raping a 12-year-old? That shouldn’t even be up for debate.

The very fact that I have to stand here and explain to you that raping children is wrong... it speaks to a profound sickness in your soul. Shame on you.

Please also remember that
when folks come claiming muhammed was a prophet . please he married a six year and bedded her before she was nine .
And folks want to defend his religoin of islam . Guess now we know who it came from .
The great muhammed began this religoin . the same one that , well Read what i wrote afore .

 

[amigo de christo]

This conversation is disturbing to say the least. Up until recently we've been living in a more civilized and less "rugged" society due to being at least nominally Christianized and under greater blessing. Life was shorter and more brutal in ancient times and it appears that perhaps children were forced to grow up faster than today due to less than ideal realities.

Just want to say that pedophilia seems to be a hallmark of Mystery Babylon (millstone)...In Jewish, Catholic as well as Protestant circles. Well, we are already well aware of it going on in the Catholic church, and I'm aware of Talmudic Judaism, but I've been watching for the Lord to start exposing it in the fallen away protestant realm as well. It is a "pagan" satanic phenomenon....such as cult of Ba'al......except that when what used to be of God falls, it can become worse than pagans. I can't think of anything more depraved than abusing and exploiting children in this way, I think it's probably the lowest form of sin there is.

perversion runs rampant dear sister .
You wanna know the reason why its never brought up
that it was male priests molesting lil boys .
Same sex attract and its fatal . the so called church
DUE TO its NON stance on married priests , OOPSY .
No one dares to even make mention of that fact . It was men on boys . that be same sex .
But oh dont dare touch that , Oh thats hate to even say such a thing .
Really . The perversions of men were allowed and in time silenced the voice of any who dares to correct it .
Oh its all over all the realms sister . Kids are easy prey to the sick perverts of this world .

 

[Chrysostomos]

I never said they s hould not go to prison . They should go to prison .
I just said the twelve year old who intiates need to also get a lesser form of punishemnt .
You dont listen at all . I was not defending the peodo my friend . He s hould , or she should , go to prison .

It's you who isn't listening or comprehending. You don't even seem to fully understand what the law itself is telling you.

From a legal standpoint: Even if a 12-year-old initiates contact, undresses you, and begs for sex, the moment you, an adult, engage in any sexual activity with that child, you are the one committing the crime. Not the 12-year-old. The law recognizes that an adult is capable of consent and a child is not. Period. And you will be the one going to prison.

From a moral standpoint: A responsible adult has a duty to stop inappropriate behavior from a minor, not to encourage it. The moral obligation is on the adult to set an example for the child, not the other way around.

So, in any and every case, if you have sex with a 12-year-old child, you will be the pedophile and the pervert. You will be the one sitting in a prison cell, where you can complain to your cellmate about how you were "seduced" by a child.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

God made an eternal covenant with Abraham.

If you know your Bible then you know how things will end.

I am looking forward to that, Israel repenting, accepting Christ.

Zach 12:10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.

What's happening since 1948 (Israel never had peace) is a spiritual battle, the devil knows his time is short.

Have some faith.