The false messianic age

[Douggg]

The world be saying "peace and safety" (1Thessalonians5:3) right before sudden destruction comes.

For most of the first half of the 7-year 70th week of Daniel 9:27will be a false messianic age of people saying "peach and safety".

The transgression of desolation (Daniel 8:13) act by the Antichrist in 2Thessalonians2:4 will end that false messianic age. During the gap between the TOD and the AOD is when the Antichrist person will be killed and comes back to life as the beast of Revelation 13.

 

[Davy]

What a MIX of non-Biblical mess in with Bible Scripture the above is.

The Bible SEQUENCE:
1. the Dan.9:27 symbolic "one week" equals 7 years. The 7 years is then divided into 2ea. 1260 day periods.

2. false-Messiah is 'setup' as king over Israel in Jerusalem at the start of the "one week". This is the "vile person" of Dan.11. He will be presented as the coming of Messiah to the Jews, and to the world.

3. the "vile person" will confirm a covenant with the Jews for a 7 year period. Per Dan.11, that idea of confirming is about his making a "league" with the Jews, his re-instituting the old covenant worship for the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem, with a new temple and sacrifices.

4. after the 1st 1260 days of the "one week", the "vile person" (Antichrist/false-Messiah) will end the Jew's daily sacrifices, and instead place the "abomination of desolation" at the new temple in Jerusalem. The "vile person" will then demand that all bow in worship to that idol instead. This AOD event kicks off the time of "great tribulation", which is the latter 1260 days of the symbolic "one week".

5. immediately after that tribulation of 1260 days, the whole world will see Jesus Christ coming in the clouds, and to gather His Church that will still be on earth.

 

[Davidpt]

The world be saying "peace and safety" (1Thessalonians5:3) right before sudden destruction comes.

For most of the first half of the 7-year 70th week of Daniel 9:27will be a false messianic age of people saying "peach and safety".

The transgression of desolation (Daniel 8:13) act by the Antichrist in 2Thessalonians2:4 will end that false messianic age. During the gap between the TOD and the AOD is when the Antichrist person will be killed and comes back to life as the beast of Revelation 13.


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For example, where does Revelation 11:10 fit on your timeline?

Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

I can picture them saying peace and safety at this point. Obviously, they wouldn't be saying peace and safety when these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. In light of the following, for example.

Revelation 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Therefore, when they are saying peace and safety per what 1 Thessalonians 5:3 records, it has to be post a time after the 2ws are tormenting those that dwell upon the earth. My guess is that you will simply brush this off since only you can be right about any of these things, no one else can, unless they already agree with you, of course.

 

[Douggg]

For example, where does Revelation 11:10 fit on your timeline?

Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

The two witnesses will be killed on day 1260 of the 2520 day 7 years. Revelation 11:10 will take place during the 3 1/2 days that their bodies will lay dead in the street in Jerusalem. Look at the lower portion of my table for the 1260 days (as the first half of the 7 years) and the 3 1/2 days.

The saying "peace and safety" in 1Thessalonians5:3 is right before the day of the Lord begins (1Thessalonians5:2-3). The day of the Lord begins when the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation (TOD act) act of 2Thessalonians 2:4.

The TOD act is shown on my chart below the table as ending the false messianic age of people saying "peace and safety".

 

[Douggg]

Revelation 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Therefore, when they are saying peace and safety per what 1 Thessalonians 5:3 records, it has to be post a time after the 2ws are tormenting those that dwell upon the earth. My guess is that you will simply brush this off since only you can be right about any of these things, no one else can, unless they already agree with you, of course.

I understand your rationale. But the day of the Lord will have already begun before the two witnesses are killed. During the false messianic age, the two witnesses will not be calling down plagues on the earth. It is only when the AOD is set up on the temple mount that the two witnesses will be calling down plagues on the earth, to provide cover for them in Judea to flee to the mountains.

Perhaps I need to make a chart specifically of the two witnesses' activity.

 

[Douggg]

@Davidpt

Here is a chart I made of the two witnesses' activities.

 

[Davidpt]

@Davidpt

Here is a chart I made of the two witnesses' activities.

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How is it remotely reasonable than anyone would be saying peace and safety when the following would be occuring during this 1260 days the 2Ws are prophesying?


Revelation 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.


This is a depiction of peace and safety exactly how? Clearly, those 2 verses contradict peace and safety. Later in this same chapter we are told that during their prophesying, they tormented men dwelling upon the earth. I can certainly see this, for example--to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will--as a means to torment men dwelling on the earth. No one being tormented depicts peace and safety. You need to go back to the drawing board with some of your charts and start over. Or better yet, quit using charts altogether since Scripture proves your charts wrong.

 

[Douggg]

How is it remotely reasonable than anyone would be saying peace and safety when the following would be occuring during this 1260 days the 2Ws are prophesying?


Revelation 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

David, the two witnesses will not be doing that which is in Revelation 11:5 for the entire 1260 days. It is only for the last 75 days of the 1260 days, will there be attempts to hurt them.

AOD setup on the temple mount day 1185, 75 days before day 1260. It is during that 75 days, that the two witnesses will be calling plagues down to earth, and during that 75 days, men will try to hurt them.

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The saying of peace and safety in 1Thessalonians5:3 is before the day of the Lord begins. Read 1Thessalonians5:1-4.

So when does day of the Lord begin ?

The day of the Lord will begin according 2Thessalonians2:1-4 when the Antichrist commits the TOD act described in 2Thesslaonian2:4.. The TOD act is show on my chart.

The TOD act by the Antichrist reveals himself to be the man of sin, and not the messiah as the Jews will have mistakenly first believed.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The saying "peace and safety" in 1Thessalonians5:3 is right before the day of the Lord begins (1Thessalonians5:2-3). The day of the Lord begins when the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation (TOD act) act of 2Thessalonians 2:4.

That is not what Paul taught at all. He taught that what is described in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 would occur BEFORE the day of the Lord, which is the day of Christ's second coming and our being gathered to Him.

Paul is very clear in 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 that the day of the Lord will arrive unexpectedly as a thief in the night bringing "sudden destruction" upon those in spiritual darkness from which "they shall not escape". You blatantly contradict Paul's words in 1 Thess 5:2-3 with your doctrine. Why are you okay with blatantly contradicting what is written in 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3? That's a serious question. You need to explain that.

What you're saying will occur upon the arrival of the day of the Lord does not agree with what Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 AT ALL. Not even close. There is nothing unexpected and no "sudden destruction" occurring with an Antichrist committing a transgression of desolation act. Why are you ignoring what Paul said about how the day of the Lord arrives (unexpectedly as a thief in the night) and what happens when it arrives (the sudden destruction of unbelievers)? You don't have the day of the Lord coming unexpectedly as a thief in the night as Paul said it would. Why not? You don't have sudden destruction occurring upon the unexpected arrival of the day of the Lord as Paul said will happen. Why not? I'd really love to know why you think you can just ignore or twist his words in 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3?

 

[Douggg]

That is not what Paul taught at all. He taught that what is described in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 would occur BEFORE the day of the Lord, which is the day of Christ's second coming and our being gathered to Him.

The 2Thessalonians2:4 act triggers the beginning of the day of the Lord. It also ends the false messianic age of the world saying peace and safety. See my two charts below. Both have the 2Thessalonians2:4 act on them.

 

[Davy]

For example, where does Revelation 11:10 fit on your timeline?

Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

I can picture them saying peace and safety at this point. Obviously, they wouldn't be saying peace and safety when these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. In light of the following, for example.

Revelation 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Therefore, when they are saying peace and safety per what 1 Thessalonians 5:3 records, it has to be post a time after the 2ws are tormenting those that dwell upon the earth. My guess is that you will simply brush this off since only you can be right about any of these things, no one else can, unless they already agree with you, of course.

Possibly you have yet to consider the following...

Dan 8:23-25
23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
KJV

That represents the coming final Antichrist at the end of this world. So when will he come to power over all nations like Rev.13:4-8 says, and destroy many using that "peace", and craft will prosper by his hand? That false one shows up at the start of the Dan.9:27 "one week" to make the "league" with the Jews in Jerusalem at the end. That's 1260 days prior to the start of the latter half "great tribulation". God's "two witnesses" begin their prophesying at the latter 1260 day half per Rev.11.