Christians who hate Israel

[amigo de christo]

AND that my Brother is where i was leading us towards = thank you for pointing out the Hypocrisy of Religion & Politics

What did JESUS warn them .
TAKE HEED HOW ye hear .
That if the eye be single then the whole is full of light
but if the eye be evil then the whole be full of darkness .
TAKE HEED that the light which is in thee BE NOT DARKNESS . MANY NOW EMBRACE the DARKNESS beleiving it IS THE LIGHT .
and that my friend IS ANOTHER FACT .

 

[amigo de christo]

AND that my Brother is where i was leading us towards = thank you for pointing out the Hypocrisy of Religion & Politics

THE LIGHT dont twist TRUTH . ONLY the darkness does that .
I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE .
HE IS THE LIGHT OF men .
but beware for the serpent can use THE NAME OF JESUS
and claim to be shining light on the scrips and yet NO SIR HE IS TWISTING THEM .
Yet they holler , OH WE SEE , WE LOVE THE NEW REVELATION . cause that new revelation
Agrees with the god they love above all , NAMELY THEMSELVES . many despise GOD
cast his words behind them in favor for words that give them their own lustful hearts desires .
AND beleive me that god cannot save them . He leads them all to the second death , FOR that IS his agenda
TO BRING DEATH upon humanity , WHICH H e did by seducing in the garden .
AND NOW its to keep them in death with a false sorry pile of dung ecumenical JESUS CHRIST DENYING go spell
HE calls love . THE DEVIL IS A LIAR david . AND HE KNOWS H OW to decieve .
AND ONLY , ONLY JESUS can set one free from the powers of darkness , of satan and of death .
The sheep HEED JESUS . HE has the sheep .

 

[Chrysostomos]

#1 - Please keep in mind that this discussion is NOT on RAPE or FORCED COERCION

Which is why it is so important for there to be statue of limitations EXCEPT for murder and rape.


It does matter legally because 'intent' plays a critical role in the Judges decision of the Penalty phase.
This is what i was sharing with you on GOD's POV

In the Judgement of all men/women/children, God will reveal and JUDGE the intent & motives of the heart = Jeremiah 107:9

The heart is deceitful above all things,
And desperately wicked;
Who can know it?
I, the Lord, search the heart,
I test the mind,
Even to give every man according to his ways, = this includes children as well(let's say 12 years old and up)
According to the fruit of his doings.

Therefore, a 12 year old girl who is sexually active on her own, will be judged by GOD the SAME as the man no matter what his age.

Think on this scenario:
When i was 16 (unsaved) i had a girlfriend(Rebecca) who was 14.
Rebecca was already sexually active before we began dating = she gave up her virginity to another prior to me.
Two years later i am 18 and Rebecca is 16 and we have been going 'Hot-n-Heavy' for two years now.

BIG PROBLEM with the 'law' today = 40 years LATER, Rebecca could come forward and say she "changed her mind" and that she 'did not know' what we were doing was wrong!!!
i could go to jail as she skips down the road = PERVERSION of JUSTICE

This is the MAIN POINT of Deuteronomy 22:23-24

“If a young woman who is a virgin is betrothed to a husband, and a man finds her in the city and lies with her,
then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city, and you shall stone them to death with stones,
the young woman because she did not cry out in the city, and the man because he humbled his neighbor’s wife; so you shall put away the evil from among you.

You begin with a lie so colossal it poisons everything that follows. You state: "Please keep in mind that this discussion is NOT on RAPE or FORCED COERCION."

This is false. This discussion is EXACTLY about rape.

Let me remind you of the legal facts you keep running from. Robert Morris was charged with and pleaded guilty to Aggravated Sexual Assault of a Child. Under the law of Texas, and every other sane jurisdiction, sexual contact with a 12-year-old is legally defined as sexual assault. It is, by definition, rape of a child. There is no other legal category for it. Your entire attempt to reframe this as a consensual act between a "young woman" and a man is a deliberate and monstrous distortion of a violent crime.

Your personal anecdote about your teenage girlfriend is not just irrelevant; it's a pathetic attempt to equate your adolescent relationships with the predatory rape of a child by a man in his twenties. The law, and any person with a shred of moral clarity, sees a fundamental difference between two teenagers and a grown adult preying on a 12-year-old.

You speak of God judging the "intent of the heart." What was Robert Morris's intent when he, a 21-year-old man, began raping a 12-year-old child? What was his intent when he continued to do so for four years? The "fruit of his doings" is a convicted felon and a destroyed childhood. God sees that, and so does the court.

Your interpretation of Deuteronomy is barbaric and entirely misses the point. You are so focused on the idea of stoning the girl for "not crying out" that you ignore the central, horrifying truth you are advocating: you believe a 12-year-old child should share moral and legal blame for her own rape.

A 12-year-old child is not "sexually active." A 12-year-old child is a victim of sexual abuse. Full stop. To suggest otherwise is to side with the abuser.

You are not arguing from a position of biblical wisdom. You are using twisted, out-of-context scripture to justify pedophilia and blame children for the crimes committed against them. Your "God's POV" is a perversion of justice and morality, and it has no place in a society governed by laws that protect the innocent. The conversation is, and has always been, about holding a child rapist accountable. The fact that you continue to fight for the "accountability" of his victim tells everyone everything they need to know about you.

 

[Marvelloustime]

THE LIGHT dont twist TRUTH . ONLY the darkness does that .
I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE .
HE IS THE LIGHT OF men .
but beware for the serpent can use THE NAME OF JESUS
and claim to be shining light on the scrips and yet NO SIR HE IS TWISTING THEM .
Yet they holler , OH WE SEE , WE LOVE THE NEW REVELATION . cause that new revelation
Agrees with the god they love above all , NAMELY THEMSELVES . many despise GOD
cast his words behind them in favor for words that give them their own lustful hearts desires .
AND beleive me that god cannot save them . He leads them all to the second death , FOR that IS his agenda
TO BRING DEATH upon humanity , WHICH H e did by seducing in the garden .
AND NOW its to keep them in death with a false sorry pile of dung ecumenical JESUS CHRIST DENYING go spell
HE calls love . THE DEVIL IS A LIAR david . AND HE KNOWS H OW to decieve .
AND ONLY , ONLY JESUS can set one free from the powers of darkness , of satan and of death .
The sheep HEED JESUS . HE has the sheep .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

What did JESUS warn them .
TAKE HEED HOW ye hear .
That if the eye be single then the whole is full of light
but if the eye be evil then the whole be full of darkness .
TAKE HEED that the light which is in thee BE NOT DARKNESS . MANY NOW EMBRACE the DARKNESS beleiving it IS THE LIGHT .
and that my friend IS ANOTHER FACT .

@amigo de christo

 

[Lizbeth]

Post 445

How old are you???

i grew up in the 70's and 80's when most EVERYONE was sexually active as early as 12

I'm turning 68 shortly. Was a child in the '60's and a teen in the '70's. Graduated high school in '76. Grew up in Ontario, Canada.....moved to a smallish town when I was 11. Never knew any sexually matured 12 year olds that I know of, much less any who would have been mentally/emotionally prepared for sex......or even less would have been actively pursuing it. Crushes on boys, romantic day dreaming and such, but not overtly sexual. I think we had just learned about the birds and the bees at that age, and giggling about it with wry faces, not "craving" it.

But this world being what it is, and the devil being who he is, I'm prepared to believe you, although I wouldn't consider it to be normal. I think the '60's brought in a lot of evil spirits to Christendom, beginning with England and the USA. I had a Catholic upbringing, so at least had cottoned on to some guardrails and moral boundaries. Nowadays there doesn't seem to be any restraint at all.......like where we read about the restrainer being taken out of the way. Nothing is sacred...attitudes towards sex are callous and crass....to the point where many young men seem to feel entitled to just help themselves nowadays and don't see it as a big deal. But it IS a very big deal for the unfortunate victims, and one that will never go away for most of them, unless the Lord heals them.

So your point is that there could be mitigating circumstances and grey areas for an adult engaging in sexual relations with a 12 year old,,,,? I think the temptation for a man would be understandable in some instances, where a girl appears and behaves older than her age.......however a child doesn't know what is good for him/her yet....they haven't developed enough judgment, are highly susceptible and easily manipulated....there is the imbalance of power too.........there are a host of valid reasons for the laws against sex with minors. An adult is expected to exercise judgment and restraint, and rightly so.

I wouldn't take that verse too literally........I think the point is whether the female was a willing partner or not......not to have where the only way of determining that is literally whether she fought back or screamed for help. There can be a lot of subtlety and grey areas in cases of sexual assault too, and even more so with children. Using that as the sole criteria to determine consent or not wouldn't be just and in the interest of truth at all.

 

[Lizbeth]

fyi - i was a virgin at 16 and many girls who were 14 were NOT

The POWER of a woman over a man = Genesis chapter 3

But what about the power of a man over a woman? Who has more power? "your desire shall be to your husband and he shall rule over you". Gen 3:16

 

[David in NJ]

You begin with a lie so colossal it poisons everything that follows. You state: "Please keep in mind that this discussion is NOT on RAPE or FORCED COERCION."

This is false. This discussion is EXACTLY about rape.

Let me remind you of the legal facts you keep running from. Robert Morris was charged with and pleaded guilty to Aggravated Sexual Assault of a Child. Under the law of Texas, and every other sane jurisdiction, sexual contact with a 12-year-old is legally defined as sexual assault. It is, by definition, rape of a child. There is no other legal category for it. Your entire attempt to reframe this as a consensual act between a "young woman" and a man is a deliberate and monstrous distortion of a violent crime.

Your personal anecdote about your teenage girlfriend is not just irrelevant; it's a pathetic attempt to equate your adolescent relationships with the predatory rape of a child by a man in his twenties. The law, and any person with a shred of moral clarity, sees a fundamental difference between two teenagers and a grown adult preying on a 12-year-old.

You speak of God judging the "intent of the heart." What was Robert Morris's intent when he, a 21-year-old man, began raping a 12-year-old child? What was his intent when he continued to do so for four years? The "fruit of his doings" is a convicted felon and a destroyed childhood. God sees that, and so does the court.

Your interpretation of Deuteronomy is barbaric and entirely misses the point. You are so focused on the idea of stoning the girl for "not crying out" that you ignore the central, horrifying truth you are advocating: you believe a 12-year-old child should share moral and legal blame for her own rape.

A 12-year-old child is not "sexually active." A 12-year-old child is a victim of sexual abuse. Full stop. To suggest otherwise is to side with the abuser.

You are not arguing from a position of biblical wisdom. You are using twisted, out-of-context scripture to justify pedophilia and blame children for the crimes committed against them. Your "God's POV" is a perversion of justice and morality, and it has no place in a society governed by laws that protect the innocent. The conversation is, and has always been, about holding a child rapist accountable. The fact that you continue to fight for the "accountability" of his victim tells everyone everything they need to know about you.

Your lost

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm turning 68 shortly. Was a child in the '60's and a teen in the '70's. Graduated high school in '76. Grew up in Ontario, Canada.....moved to a smallish town when I was 11. Never knew any sexually matured 12 year olds that I know of, much less any who would have been mentally/emotionally prepared for sex......or even less would have been actively pursuing it. Crushes on boys, romantic day dreaming and such, but not overtly sexual. I think we had just learned about the birds and the bees at that age, and giggling about it with wry faces, not "craving" it.

But this world being what it is, and the devil being who he is, I'm prepared to believe you, although I wouldn't consider it to be normal. I think the '60's brought in a lot of evil spirits to Christendom, beginning with England and the USA. I had a Catholic upbringing, so at least had cottoned on to some guardrails and moral boundaries. Nowadays there doesn't seem to be any restraint at all.......like where we read about the restrainer being taken out of the way. Nothing is sacred...attitudes towards sex are callous and crass....to the point where many young men seem to feel entitled to just help themselves nowadays and don't see it as a big deal. But it IS a very big deal for the unfortunate victims, and one that will never go away for most of them, unless the Lord heals them.

So your point is that there could be mitigating circumstances and grey areas for an adult engaging in sexual relations with a 12 year old,,,,? I think the temptation for a man would be understandable in some instances, where a girl appears and behaves older than her age.......however a child doesn't know what is good for him/her yet....they haven't developed enough judgment, are highly susceptible and easily manipulated....there is the imbalance of power too.........there are a host of valid reasons for the laws against sex with minors. An adult is expected to exercise judgment and restraint, and rightly so.

I wouldn't take that verse too literally........I think the point is whether the female was a willing partner or not......not to have where the only way of determining that is literally whether she fought back or screamed for help. There can be a lot of subtlety and grey areas in cases of sexual assault too, and even more so with children. Using that as the sole criteria to determine consent or not wouldn't be just and in the interest of truth at all.

Times have changed quickly in this generation sister .
It is indeed like a wave of reprobation has engulfed this generation .
We shall focus on the LORD and all sound doctrine and be in prayer .
When inquity rises to the full so too does its great hatred towards The Truth or anyone who speaks and lives the truth .
This came in quickly when the churches bought into its correct not seeker friendly stuff . Leaven just came in and swolled up places .

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm turning 68 shortly. Was a child in the '60's and a teen in the '70's. Graduated high school in '76. Grew up in Ontario, Canada.....moved to a smallish town when I was 11. Never knew any sexually matured 12 year olds that I know of, much less any who would have been mentally/emotionally prepared for sex......or even less would have been actively pursuing it. Crushes on boys, romantic day dreaming and such, but not overtly sexual. I think we had just learned about the birds and the bees at that age, and giggling about it with wry faces, not "craving" it.

But this world being what it is, and the devil being who he is, I'm prepared to believe you, although I wouldn't consider it to be normal. I think the '60's brought in a lot of evil spirits to Christendom, beginning with England and the USA. I had a Catholic upbringing, so at least had cottoned on to some guardrails and moral boundaries. Nowadays there doesn't seem to be any restraint at all.......like where we read about the restrainer being taken out of the way. Nothing is sacred...attitudes towards sex are callous and crass....to the point where many young men seem to feel entitled to just help themselves nowadays and don't see it as a big deal. But it IS a very big deal for the unfortunate victims, and one that will never go away for most of them, unless the Lord heals them.

So your point is that there could be mitigating circumstances and grey areas for an adult engaging in sexual relations with a 12 year old,,,,? I think the temptation for a man would be understandable in some instances, where a girl appears and behaves older than her age.......however a child doesn't know what is good for him/her yet....they haven't developed enough judgment, are highly susceptible and easily manipulated....there is the imbalance of power too.........there are a host of valid reasons for the laws against sex with minors. An adult is expected to exercise judgment and restraint, and rightly so.

I wouldn't take that verse too literally........I think the point is whether the female was a willing partner or not......not to have where the only way of determining that is literally whether she fought back or screamed for help. There can be a lot of subtlety and grey areas in cases of sexual assault too, and even more so with children. Using that as the sole criteria to determine consent or not wouldn't be just and in the interest of truth at all.

Time flies dear sister . I am now almost the age you were back then when we first met on andrews site .
And times have only increased in delusion and in inquity and mass confusion .
In just that short of time things have increased more and more speedily in the agenda.
Let us stay firmly planted in the scriptures always giving Thanks to the LORD who has saved us .

 

[amigo de christo]

Your lost

Let us return to pointing to Christ and all bibical sound doctrine .
The main threat of an enemy from within is what is now taking captive many to a lie david .
Even you would marvel if you knew how many in christendom no longer TRULY believe
in the true gospel which states ONE MUST believe .
Time to return to the basics of the faith and bring all reminders of the scriptures in my friend .

 

[Chrysostomos]

Your lost

You are an apologist for pedophiles.

 

[David in NJ]

So your point is that there could be mitigating circumstances and grey areas for an adult engaging in sexual relations with a 12 year old,,,,? I think the temptation for a man would be understandable in some instances, where a girl appears and behaves older than her age.......

Good Morning,
Did you understand the factual scenario i gave in posts 445 and 451 ???
also forget the misinformed person who wants Jews killed and cannot understand Scripture

For the purpose of CLARITY i again repeat that my discussion is NOT on rape and forced coercion

Do you understand that a young girl is very much aware of her sexuality and because "all have sinned" AND "in sin my mother conceived me" , the girl can easily participate in exploring her sexuality even when one claims "she did not know" AND they desire to be with older men = this is factual and not speculative.
You were spared in your youth = REJOICE , as most children are not.

We have to/must understand what GOD is Saying to us in His Creation of male/female and His Judgments = Deuteronomy & Jer 17:9

The fact that GOD placed a death sentence upon the young girl/women and the young man/men is CLEARLY indicative that,
in fact, the girl knows:
a.) her body is sexual
b.) she is attracted to a man sexually
c.) she is not to lay with a man until marriage

Thus why GOD Says: If the young woman does not cry out, she is compliant/willing.

The young woman knows this as well = thus GOD's Judgement on sin = on both compliant in sexual embrace

We should have laws to protect children from predators = but that is NOT what is taking place in Schools, INTERNET, Government

The current laws are allowing for children to be sexually educated all the way down to kindergarten and from the moment they watch
TV, Internet, Dumb/Sinphone which satan loves to call it 'smartphone' = the AI image that has power to Speak

Many children are going to receive the Mark of the Beast and perish because GOD knows the hearts of everyone = 2 Thess ch2

The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and false wonder, and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them.
For this reason God will send them a powerful delusion so that they believe the lie, in order that judgment may come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Do you understand that a young girl is very much aware of her sexuality and because "all have sinned" AND "in sin my mother conceived me" , the girl can easily participate in exploring her sexuality even when one claims "she did not know" AND they desire to be with older men = this is factual and not speculative.
You were spared in your youth = REJOICE , as most children are not.

Most ...if not all ...girls at that age who are sexually active have experienced sexual abuse prior to the age of 12. And there are circumstances that prevent a girl from crying out with her voice. For instance, being muffled, suffocated, or being threatened that if they do, something worse would happen (such as killing them, or raping, harming, or killing their younger sibling, or family member). There are so many possibilities. Often, by that age, a girl has been raped and violated so many times, she no longer cries out.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Most ...if not all ...girls at that age who are sexually active have experienced sexual abuse prior to the age of 12. And there are circumstances that prevent a girl from crying out with her voice. For instance, being muffled, suffocated, or being threatened that if they do, something worse would happen (such as killing them, or raping, harming, or killing their younger sibling, or family member). There are so many possibilities. Often, by that age, a girl has been raped and violated so many times, she no longer cries out.

The sexual predators better be careful doing their dirty deeds down south because a lot of fathers would take the predator out and then go bury their dirty carcass in the woods where they are never seen or heard from again.

 

[ScottA]

 

[David in NJ]

Most ...if not all ...girls at that age who are sexually active have experienced sexual abuse prior to the age of 12. And there are circumstances that prevent a girl from crying out with her voice. For instance, being muffled, suffocated, or being threatened that if they do, something worse would happen (such as killing them, or raping, harming, or killing their younger sibling, or family member). There are so many possibilities. Often, by that age, a girl has been raped and violated so many times, she no longer cries out.

i 100% AGREE with you and thank you

Did you see this in my post???
"For the purpose of CLARITY i again repeat that my discussion is NOT on rape and forced coercion"

Focus on God's Knowledge of our sexuality which HE created and the fact that "Adam sinned and sin contaminated all of mankind."
Even from the moment of conception = Psalm 51:5

KJV - Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.
NIV - Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
Amplified Bible - I was brought forth in [a state of] wickedness; In sin my mother conceived me [and from my beginning I, too, was sinful].

SHALOM

 

[David in NJ]

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GREAT POST - Thank You ScottA

 

[David in NJ]

The sexual predators better be careful doing their dirty deeds down south because a lot of fathers would take the predator out and then go bury their dirty carcass in the woods where they are never seen or heard from again. View attachment 73982

Which is the way it should be!

Did you know that God said the parents have the right to execute judgment upon the perps.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Which is the way it should be!

Did you know that God said the parents have the right to execute judgment upon the perps.

Not that I don't approve, scripture, please.