Trump has abandoned America First

[Riven]

You really should study history.

That's not an argument. You were around in 2003, I assume. We were lied to by our government. We invaded Iraq under a false pretense.

Which is it? You condemn Israel for defending itself. Who could blame them for wanting to annihilate an enemy that wants every Jew on Earth dead.

I don't condemn Israel for defending itself. I supported Israel defending itself after 10/7. However, it became clear that it wasn't self defense; Israel went on the offensive to develop Greater Israel. When this became apparent, I withdrew support.

You prefer a lesser Israel?

I support the 1967 borders. That's not what Netanyahu or his party want. Instead they want this. Look at this picture and tell me it's not a disaster in the making...

If he didn't support it,Hamas would have won.

Hamas has won. They still exist, and for every one Hamas soldier killed, five take his place. Do you realize how much this massacre in Gaza has radicalized young Muslim men in the Middle East? This is going to haunt Israel for the next 50 years or more.

Let me ask you this, do you support the United States paying to rebuild Gaza? Because that's an idea Trump has floated more than once. As someone that voted for him, this engages me.

 

[Riven]

MTG has a falling out with Trump over the Epstein files. Now she's resigning in January.

 

[2bme]

God this and God that. God God God and God some more. Don't you think it's time to let this God do something of it's own accord. We've all become stumbling blocks for what we believe that other people must believe.

 

[Aunty Jane]

That's not an argument. You were around in 2003, I assume. We were lied to by our government. We invaded Iraq under a false pretense.

It’s so funny how propaganda works.....you blame someone for something with no actual proof that they did anything to you, and then justify your own heinous response by attacking your own ideas.....and the result is popular public support for what was never true in the first place. it’s very clever marketing....

It’s the oldest trick in the book....perpetrate an attack on your own people and blame the one you want to attack for other reasons.....it gives public support for something that they never would have if the public knew the truth......don’t believe a thing you hear on the NEWS. The media are told what to say.

I don't condemn Israel for defending itself. I supported Israel defending itself after 10/7. However, it became clear that it wasn't self defense; Israel went on the offensive to develop Greater Israel. When this became apparent, I withdrew support.

I believe that it’s apparent why so called “Christian” nations want to support Israel...they believe that God will be with his people and they simply want to ride on their coattails....

Zechariah prophesied it.....
“Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘It will yet be that peoples will come, even the inhabitants of many cities. The inhabitants of one will go to another, saying, “Let us go at once to entreat the favor of the Lord, and to seek the Lord of hosts; I will also go.” So many peoples and mighty nations will come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem and to entreat the favor of the Lord.’ Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘In those days ten men from all the nations will grasp the garment of a Jew, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.” (Zech 8:20-23 NASB)

They are supporting the wrong “Israel”. (Gal 6:16)
The truth is, if God was with natural Israel, they would not need support from nations whose worship they despise and the savior they still reject....no nation, despite them being greatly outnumbered could ever defeat Israel if God was with them...

The principle in Rom 8:31 applies....
“If God is for us, who can be against us?”

Let me ask you this, do you support the United States paying to rebuild Gaza? Because that's an idea Trump has floated more than once. As someone that voted for him, this engages me.

Don’t we all want to see an end to the violence and needless bloodshed? Wouldn’t it be a wonderful world if all the soldiers put down their weapons and told their leaders to go and fight their own battles....that the ones they have sent to war have had enough of the killing.....and losing their comrades...parents losing their sons and daughters...children losing their parents......and for what? An honoured place in a cemetery?

There was a song in the anti-war 60’s by a man named Donovan, called “The Universal Soldier”...google the lyrics of that song and see what he was saying......without soldiers doing the dirty work for their governments, who could fight a war? The catch cry of that era was ....”what if you were invited to a war....and nobody came”?

True worshippers of God will do what is prophesied in Isa 2:2, 4...

“And it shall come to pass in the end of days, [that] the mountain of Jehovah's house shall be established on the top of the mountains, and shall be lifted up above the hills; and all the nations shall flow unto it. And he shall judge among the nations, and shall reprove many peoples; and they shall forge their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning-knives: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.” (DARBY)

Something to look forward to....for those without blood on their hands. (Isa 1:15)

 

[Muna]

I like how it says here

Deut 20:1 “When you go out to war against your enemies, and see horses and chariots
and people more numerous than you do not be afraid of them.”

Putting the emphasis on having trust in His divine support over any numerical superiority.

Not just that though, but even in the face of going to battle against a people more than you, the following exemptions (In Deut 20:5–7) would still apply for excusing themselves from engaging in the battle no matter how much smaller their numbers could possibly get. Those exempted from battle would be anyone that recently built a house, planted a vineyard, had become engaged, or any of them were just plain afraid (The same is shown in Judges 7:3 where something like 20,000 went home because they were afraid). So, even though they would be a small people engaged in a war with a people more than them, there seemed to be no limit as to how many could just exempt themselves from the battle (not just because the LORD is strong but very gracious).

That's just so cool

That was when the LORD was with Israel there and their numbers being small meant nothing (no need to pull the United States into more wars ) seeing it was completely unecessary back then when the LORD has your back.

That would be nice to return to such a time of no more wars (not to mention more destitute as the country grows broke because of the same)

 

[ProverbsInPink]

MTG has a falling out with Trump over the Epstein files. Now she's resigning in January.

Bye.

It might be a resignation like with Elon months ago. We'll see.

 

[Triumph1300]

Trump, ever gracious, called Greene's resignation “great news for the country.”

Greene maintains her only crime was standing up for the teenage girls Epstein and his friends preyed on, a sentence that hangs in the air like a reminder of everything Trump is trying desperately to bury.

 

[TLHKAJ]

MTG has a falling out with Trump over the Epstein files. Now she's resigning in January.

She is most likely being threatened. I wouldn't be surprised if she ended up unalived. :/

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Enemies,both foreign and domestic.

 

[Muna]

Enemies,both foreign and domestic.

This is what I have on that

This language was added to the military oath in 1862 during the Civil War, reflecting the context of domestic rebellion, and was later extended to other federal officials. The inclusion of "domestic enemies" was directly informed by the experience of the Confederate insurrection, which the Supreme Court recognized in The Prize Cases (1863) as constituting enemies under the law of war, even though they were U.S. citizens.

Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment also references disqualification for office for those who, having taken an oath to support the Constitution, "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." Legal scholars interpret "enemies thereof" in this context to include both foreign powers and domestic insurrectionists, such as the Confederate rebels, based on the historical and legal context of the post-Civil War era. Thus, while the exact phrase "enemies foreign and domestic" does not appear in the Constitution itself, the concept is embedded in constitutional law through the oaths and the Fourteenth Amendment.

Might depend on the context, and on how enemies are understood, whether in the above or as far as the gospel goes (as far as the law of the land goes and the law of Christ) in respects to whichever one is being defined.

Sometimes they get mish mashed together.

 

[MonoBiblical]

MTG has a falling out with Trump over the Epstein files. Now she's resigning in January.

She would have to defend true economics from Trump, and defend Trump at the same time while the Southeast is becoming, I speculate here, less conservative.

 

[Muna]

She is most likely being threatened. I wouldn't be surprised if she ended up unalived. :/

I found a clip of Candaces that actually mentions Marjorie Greene stating somewhere some time ago that she is not suicidal here

Edit: typo, "clip"

 

[MonoBiblical]

Trump, ever gracious, called Greene's resignation “great news for the country.”

Greene maintains her only crime was standing up for the teenage girls Epstein and his friends preyed on, a sentence that hangs in the air like a reminder of everything Trump is trying desperately to bury.

Would you believe Trump does not want to put America First and MTG did?

 

[Boaz1982]

Would you believe Trump does not want to put America First and MTG did?

Trump now also supports the Muslim Mayor of NY, a socialist Democrat.

Trump praises Mamdani after White House meeting: "I want him to do a great job"

President Trump and incoming New York Mayor Zohran Mamdani said they looked forward to working together in a remarkable scene at the White House.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Muna]

Trump now also supports the Muslim Mayor of NY, a socialist Democrat.

Trump praises Mamdani after White House meeting: "I want him to do a great job"

President Trump and incoming New York Mayor Zohran Mamdani said they looked forward to working together in a remarkable scene at the White House.

www.cbsnews.com

Yeah but Israel supports the Govenor of NY and He is of higher rank then the Mayor

 

[Triumph1300]

Trump held a bizarrely warm Oval Office meeting with New York City’s mayor-elect, Zohran Mamdani, the 34-year-old democratic socialist Trump was calling a “ communist” not long ago.

Suddenly, Trump couldn’t stop gushing about him, praising his unexpected victory and insisting there’s “no difference in party” between them, sending half of Congress into involuntary eye spasms.

Mamdani stood calmly nearby, radiating the vibe of a man who knows full well he’s in the room with a political weather system that can turn on a dime.

With Trump you never know which way the wind will be blowing.
A consistant liar.

And to top it all off.......Ukraine is being thrown under the bus.

 

[Riven]

She is most likely being threatened. I wouldn't be surprised if she ended up unalived. :/

I suspect she's being blackmailed. She didn't just challenge Trump on Epstein. She also spoke out against the Israel lobby.

 

[Triumph1300]

I suspect she's being blackmailed. She didn't just challenge Trump on Epstein. She also spoke out against the Israel lobby.

Speaking up against the great leader will cause problems.
It's a well known fact connected with dictators.

 

[Muna]

I suspect she's being blackmailed. She didn't just challenge Trump on Epstein. She also spoke out against the Israel lobby.

Greene (as with JFK in respects to AZC) had called for AIPAC to register as a foreign agent under U.S. law, since shortly after JFK's assassination the pressure on the AZC to do so was diminished allowing AIPAC to operate in the same way without the same level of scrutiny.

If I were her I would bail out shortly after doing that

 

[ProverbsInPink]

This is what I have on that

This language was added to the military oath in 1862 during the Civil War, reflecting the context of domestic rebellion, and was later extended to other federal officials. The inclusion of "domestic enemies" was directly informed by the experience of the Confederate insurrection, which the Supreme Court recognized in The Prize Cases (1863) as constituting enemies under the law of war, even though they were U.S. citizens.

Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment also references disqualification for office for those who, having taken an oath to support the Constitution, "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." Legal scholars interpret "enemies thereof" in this context to include both foreign powers and domestic insurrectionists, such as the Confederate rebels, based on the historical and legal context of the post-Civil War era. Thus, while the exact phrase "enemies foreign and domestic" does not appear in the Constitution itself, the concept is embedded in constitutional law through the oaths and the Fourteenth Amendment.

Might depend on the context, and on how enemies are understood, whether in the above or as far as the gospel goes (as far as the law of the land goes and the law of Christ) in respects to whichever one is being defined.

Sometimes they get mish mashed together.

Not in my posting. Thanks.