Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

[Lambano]

When was God ever described as a PERSON?
God is not a person...
God is a divine being....yes, an essence...a divine essence.

When you address God, perhaps in prayer, saying "Dear God...", you are addressing a Person, not a substance, not a nature, not an essence. A Person.

If you don't believe me ask a few random people in your church or on the street.

 

[Lambano]

I believe it shows more the distinction between Jesus' divine nature/will and His human nature/will.

His human will would have liked to avoid the cross....
but His divine will had to follow the will of the Godhead.

A person has a will. The Will is a set of desires and motivations unique to that person that realizes itself into a particular course of action. Jesus is one person, not two. It would be more precise to say that His will was influenced by both His human nature and His divine nature.

 

[Lambano]

My belief is that "those views" should have been surpressed because they were not in line with Apostolic teaching.

Were they in line with what Jesus taught?

 

[Grailhunter]

@Lambano @GodsGrace

Most written doctrines of the Trinity includes the words or imply three, persons, one God….written different ways with lofty words depending on the denomination. Regardless of the wording it is a false doctrine.

One of reasons….I say one of the reasons that it has lasted this long is that most people do not understand the word God and the thousands of modifications to the scriptures that add to the confusion.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

God is Three in One - Disagree

So you don't accept God's Word, got it.

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are One.

Jesus is Fully God - Disagree

So you don't accept God's Word, got it.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again GodsGrace and Greetings Big Boy Johnson,

So why do you consider yourself to be Christian?? You could call yourself a Jesus follower... but Christian?
The term has been defined... why do we have the right to change it??

The term has now been altered and misused and through common usage been incorrectly defined as applying to a vast range of Catholics and Protestants, and according to this thread these are all Trinitarians. I endorse the definition given initially to the believers at Antioch who held the Apostolic faith and practise Acts 11:25-26 and I seek to understand and follow this teaching and practise of Jesus and the Apostles.

So you don't accept God's Word, got it.
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are One.

1 John 5:7 is considered to be spurious and is excluded from most modern translations.

So you don't accept God's Word, got it.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

I consider that The Word in John 1:1 is a personification similar to the Wise Woman WISDOM who was with Yahweh in the creation Proverbs 8.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Triumph1300]

Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?​

To be saved from your sin, take these three steps:

Ask forgiveness for your sins;
be willing to turn from your sins;
and believe that Jesus Christ—our Lord and Savior—died for your sins and rose again.

If you have done these things, you are saved!

Nothing about the trinity.
Nothing about being baptized.
Nothing about speaking in tongues.

I think the thief on the cross was not aware of all these conditions.
He only accepted Christ for who He was, and that was enough to enter the Kingdom.
Plain and simple.

 

[GodsGrace]

@CTK

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It's beautiful.
I have an acquaintance, living in Londo, that also wrote a book (a self-help book) but it's nothing like yours.
Yours if very well put together, professional and very readable.

There's a chapter I'm interested in...
Chapter 10
The Abomination of Desolation

There might be more even though, as you know, eschatology is not my main interest.

So happy to have it.
And congrats to you for a great job.

This is from google images - your book is the first one to come up.

 

[Grailhunter]

@CTK

I just got your book !
NEW INTERPRETATIONS
BOOK OF DANIEL
CAN YOU SEE MY NOW
By Charles T. Kincade


It's beautiful.
I have an acquaintance, living in Londo, that also wrote a book (a self-help book) but it's nothing like yours.
Yours if very well put together, professional and very readable.

There's a chapter I'm interested in...
Chapter 10
The Abomination of Desolation

There might be more even though, as you know, eschatology is not my main interest.

So happy to have it.
And congrats to you for a great job.

This is from google images - your book is the first one to come up.


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Mine should be arriving on the 25th this month.

 

[CTK]

@CTK

I just got your book !
NEW INTERPRETATIONS
BOOK OF DANIEL
CAN YOU SEE MY NOW
By Charles T. Kincade


It's beautiful.
I have an acquaintance, living in Londo, that also wrote a book (a self-help book) but it's nothing like yours.
Yours if very well put together, professional and very readable.

There's a chapter I'm interested in...
Chapter 10
The Abomination of Desolation

There might be more even though, as you know, eschatology is not my main interest.

So happy to have it.
And congrats to you for a great job.

This is from google images - your book is the first one to come up.


View attachment 74204

Thank you so much for purchasing it... I do hope you enjoy it.. please contact me if and or when you have any questions or confused with the writing. I think I wrote and rewrote it no less than 100 times... the AOD is discussed on page 364 .. but of course, it has to be read in context with the rest of chapter 9. Again, thank you so much and please keep in touch -- any time. Best wishes always, Charlie

 

[CTK]

Mine should be arriving on the 25th

This is too good to be true... I have definitely succeeded - I have sold 2 books... I should be on the WSJ best seller's list with a few more ... God bless and thank you so much. Also, day or night please contact me if you want to discuss anything in the commentary.. Best wishes always, Charlie

PS. I owe you some fish and chips...

 

[Grailhunter]

This is too good to be true... I have definitely succeeded - I have sold 2 books... I should be on the WSJ best seller's list with a few more ... God bless and thank you so much. Also, day or night please contact me if you want to discuss anything in the commentary.. Best wishes always, Charlie

PS. I owe you some fish and chips...

If we started a fish and chips and cooked them like they did in Scotland we would blow them away.
OLE' CHARLIE AND BUCK'S BRAND

 

[CTK]

If we started a fish and chips and cooked them like they did in Scotland we would blow them away.
OLE' CHARLIE AND BUCK'S BRAND

This is worthy! I think this is found in Scipture somewhere... I have to look to Strong's to find it!

 

[GodsGrace]

Mine should be arriving on the 25th this month.

You'll like it and I know you'll read it.
The other member put a great deal of time into this...you could tell.

 

[GodsGrace]

Greetings again GodsGrace and Greetings Big Boy Johnson,

The term has now been altered and misused and through common usage been incorrectly defined as applying to a vast range of Catholics and Protestants, and according to this thread these are all Trinitarians. I endorse the definition given initially to the believers at Antioch who held the Apostolic faith and practise Acts 11:25-26 and I seek to understand and follow this teaching and practise of Jesus and the Apostles.

Hi Trevor

Just to clarify...Do I have the correct verses which give the definition given to early believers at Antioch...
the ones who held to the Apostolic faith and practices?

Acts 11:25-26
25 And he left for Tarsus to look for Saul;
26 and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. And for an entire year they met with the church and taught considerable numbers; and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.


The reason I ask is because I don't see any teachings in those two verses.
From those two verses, I don't understand what the Apostolic faith and practices were.

I do agree that the term Christian has been altered and misused, which is what this thread is about.
What do you think my chances are of convincing you to bring it back to its original meaning??

The Apostles thought that Jesus was God.
He taught them to baptize persons.

It must have not been easy trying to understand this Jesus person.
He looked human.
But He acted like God...
He healed persons,
He accepted worship,
He said He and the Father were one.

Shouldn't a Christian believe what the early Christians believed?

 

[GodsGrace]

@Lambano @GodsGrace

Most written doctrines of the Trinity includes the words or imply three, persons, one God….

Correct.
See how easy that was!

ONE GOD
THREE PERSONS

written different ways with lofty words depending on the denomination. Regardless of the wording it is a false doctrine.

One of reasons….I say one of the reasons that it has lasted this long is that most people do not understand the word God and the thousands of modifications to the scriptures that add to the confusion.

GH,,,I think everyone understands the word God.

As to the modifications in scripture...yes, there are some changes but any textual scholar will confirm that the differences have no effect on Christian theology. Even Bart Ehrman admits to this, a former Christian.

The most prominant change is the ending of Mark.
And to this day, scholars are not agreed on whether or not it existed at the beginning because some manuscripts have it and some do not....a big space was left on some which would show that the scribe knew there might be a question and so left it out.

And anyway, it's confirmed in the other gospels . so no problem even there.

 

[GodsGrace]

A person has a will. The Will is a set of desires and motivations unique to that person that realizes itself into a particular course of action. Jesus is one person, not two. It would be more precise to say that His will was influenced by both His human nature and His divine nature.

We're saying the same thing....
Jesus was ONE PERSON, but with TWO NATURES.

What I said about the Garden prayer was that Jesus, in His HUMAN NATURE would have like to avoid the cross...
His DIVINE NATURE was the same as God's,,,His Divine will was in accord with God.

This is dyothelitism.
Jesus had two wills.

 

[GodsGrace]

Were they in line with what Jesus taught?

If the teachings were in line with what Jesus taught,,,the church would not have discarded the groups that were heretical.
Apparently the early church did not believe they were in line with what Jesus taught and so they were heretical teachings.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

1 John 5:7 is considered to be spurious and is excluded from most modern translations.

So called "modern translations" are false translations that add to and take away from God's Word.

They are works of demons.

I consider that The Word in John 1:1 is a personification similar to the Wise Woman WISDOM who was with Yahweh in the creation Proverbs 8.

Jesus is not a transgender, so He's not playing like He is a woman.

It's too bad satan has deceived so many not not accept all the Lord says in His Word. Too bad for them!

ONE GOD
THREE PERSONS

No, God is a 3 part being

There's not 3 different Gods.

God's Word does not teach there are 3 different Gods.

it's confirmed in the other gospels . so no problem even there.

And so there is no issue with the end of Mark

We're saying the same thing....
Jesus was ONE PERSON, but with TWO NATURES.

What I said about the Garden prayer was that Jesus, in His HUMAN NATURE would have like to avoid the cross...
His DIVINE NATURE was the same as God's,,,His Divine will was in accord with God.

This is dyothelitism.
Jesus had two wills.

That's a fresh steaming hot load of horse hockey!

Jesus said He only does and says what He sees the Father do and say.

Too bad some claim Jesus lied about that.

Inquiring if there was some other way than having to go to the Cross does not mean Jesus was schizophrenic as some are claiming

 

[MonoBiblical]

My reaction to the title of this thread is that what if you don't need yourself to have been a Christian to partake of the kingdom of God? Is it hard to believe there are righteous people of other religions?