Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

[Big Boy Johnson]

My reaction to the title of this thread is that what if you don't need yourself to have been a Christian to partake of the kingdom of God? Is it hard to believe there are righteous people of other religions?

If that were true, then God and His Word is nothing but lies and deceptions.

Which is exactly why satan has his tares bring forth questions such as this to sow seeds of doubt

Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to salvation.

Those not believing this are deceived by satan and are sadly hell bound

 

[Lambano]

We're saying the same thing....
Jesus was ONE PERSON, but with TWO NATURES.

What I said about the Garden prayer was that Jesus, in His HUMAN NATURE would have like to avoid the cross...
His DIVINE NATURE was the same as God's,,,His Divine will was in accord with God.

This is dyothelitism.
Jesus had two wills.

Okay; you made me look up "dyothelitism".

The word is derived from the Greek "duo thelo". "Thelo" is the will of desire or motivation. Another biblical word translated "will" is "Boule", which is what person actually sets out to do. A person can have multiple conflicting desires, but in the end, he decides on a particular course of action.

You run into this a lot in the Calvinism/Arminian debates with verses like 1 Timothy 2:4 KJV, "God wills that all men be saved", which should be understood as God's desires, not the "Deliberate" or "Decretive" will of God that is His actual plan.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to salvation.

What is salvation and is it defined differently in the Old and New Testament?

 

[MonoBiblical]

Those not believing this are deceived by satan and are sadly hell bound

Those trusting Jesus and not obeying his Father are still hellbound.

 

[MonoBiblical]

If that were true, then God and His Word is nothing but lies and deceptions.

Or perhaps, we are mistaken along with the JWs, as to what the bible really says.

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again GodsGrace and Greetings Big Boy Johnson,

The Apostles thought that Jesus was God.
Shouldn't a Christian believe what the early Christians believed?

No, the Apostles believed that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God.

John 20:30-31 (KJV): 30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

So called "modern translations" are false translations that add to and take away from God's Word.

Perhaps you should study the history of how 1 John 5:7 came to be included in the KJV.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[MonoBiblical]

Perhaps you should study the history of how 1 John 5:7 came to be included in the KJV.

It disproves the trinity doctrine. Why should I waste my time with false history?

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings MnoBiblical,

It disproves the trinity doctrine. Why should I waste my time with false history?

Your comment is obscure. I am not sure if you are aware of what has been stated as the history of the inclusion of 1 John 5:7.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[MonoBiblical]

Greetings MnoBiblical,

Your comment is obscure. I am not sure if you are aware of what has been stated as the history of the inclusion of 1 John 5:7.

Kind regards
Trevor

It mentions 3 which bear witness in heaven. The father is covered and is called the holy spirit. The father is also called the word. And another 3 the because of the one they are. I think hen to be accusative of heis meaning one. And three other things follow Jesus testifying on the earth: a spirit, a water, and a blood.

[1Jo 5:8 KJV] 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three a such one are.

The earth would be Israel and its believers, the water would be the miracles and prosperity brought to them by God, and the blood would be concerning his death and resurrection

These things are all about God, Passover, and Jesus, and have nothing to with the teaching of a trinity.

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again MonoBiblical,

It mentions 3 which bear witness in heaven.

You seem to have missed what I was talking about.
Without going into detail, the following is the first paragraph from Barnes' Notes on the NT:

There is no passage of the New Testament which has given rise to so much discussion in regard to its genuineness as this. The supposed importance of the verse in its bearing on the doctrine of the Trinity has contributed to this, and has given to the discussion a degree of consequence which has pertained to the examination of the genuineness of no other passage of the New Testament. On the one hand, the clear testimony which it seems to bear to the doctrine of the Trinity, has made that portion of the Christian church which holds the doctrine reluctant in the highest degree to abandon it; and on the other hand, the same clearness of the testimony to that doctrine, has made those who deny it not less reluctant to admit the genuineness of the passage.

Perhaps your forum title "MonoBiblical" indicates that you hold the strange view of KJV Only. I prefer Tyndale's translation of Exodus 3:14 as "Iwilbe".

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Grailhunter]

My reaction to the title of this thread is that what if you don't need yourself to have been a Christian to partake of the kingdom of God? Is it hard to believe there are righteous people of other religions?

You are right there are righteous people of other religions and atheists and people that do not believe in the Deity of Yeshua that are good people and in the end they will be in Hell. One of those trophies on Satan's shelf. Hell's fire for eternality. And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved. Acts 4:12

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6

Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. John 3:16-17

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. John 3:36

I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.” John 8:24

In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, Ephesians 1:7

Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
Matthew 7:13-14

 

[MonoBiblical]

and in the end they will be in Hell.

You are saying God is not righteous by God's standards. In your worldview, the Good Samaritan is damned.

 

[MonoBiblical]

On the one hand, the clear testimony which it seems to bear to the doctrine of the Trinity,

You missed my point. It gives no such testimony.

 

[CTK]

You are saying God is not righteous by God's standards. In your worldview, the Good Samaritan is damned.

With all due respect, did you read and take in the verses that were provided above? Now, if you do not accept them and do not believe them,... then you are certainly free to make the statement that God is not righteous...and unfortunately, you will have perhaps billions of folks standing by your side at the end of days.

 

[MonoBiblical]

With all due respect, did you read and take in the verses that were provided above? Now, if you do not accept them and do not believe them,... then you are certainly free to make the statement that God is not righteous...and unfortunately, you will have perhaps billions of folks standing by your side at the end of days.

I said God is righteous!

[Luk 10:33, 36 NET] 33 But a Samaritan who was traveling came to where the injured man was, and when he saw him, he felt compassion for him. ... 36 Which of these three do you think became a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of the robbers?"

Would condemn a Good Samaritan or Trinitarian who did this? Many beliefs have nothing to with righteous. Stop the gnosticism. I take issue with the people who can't correct the Catholics or the Reformers.

 

[Grailhunter]

You are saying God is not righteous by God's standards. In your worldview, the Good Samaritan is damned.

Read the scriptures posted.

Being good people or doing Good Deeds does not save us. If so we would not need Christ. Being good people and doing Good Deeds are something that good Christians do.

 

[CTK]

I said God is righteous!

[Luk 10:33, 36 NET] 33 But a Samaritan who was traveling came to where the injured man was, and when he saw him, he felt compassion for him. ... 36 Which of these three do you think became a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of the robbers?"

Would condemn a Good Samaritan or Trinitarian who did this? Many beliefs have nothing to with righteous. Stop the gnosticism. I take issue with the people who can't correct the Catholics or the Reformers.

Well, I will have to apologize. However, I do find some of your comments confusing - for example, what are you saying here -

Would condemn a Good Samaritan or Trinitarian who did this? Many beliefs have nothing to with righteous. Stop the gnosticism. I take issue with the people who can't correct the Catholics or the Reformers.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Being good people or doing Good Deeds does not save us.

If you mean the afterlife, you have to die first. Trust is first, then deeds. Were the Israelites damned without Jesus Christ? This is silly.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Well, I will have to apologize. However, I do find some of your comments confusing - for example, what are you saying here -

Would [god] condemn a Good Samaritan or Trinitarian who did this? Many beliefs have nothing to with righteous. Stop the gnosticism. I take issue with the people who can't correct the Catholics or the Reformers.

Better. I apologize.

 

[CTK]

If you mean the afterlife, you have to die first. Trust is first, then deeds. Were the Israelites damned without Jesus Christ? This is si

If you mean the afterlife, you have to die first. Trust is first, then deeds. Were the Israelites damned without Jesus Christ? This is silly.

Now, this is confusing!