Demographic collapse. Capitalism Dies of Childlessness

[amigo de christo]

Capitalism and everything else fails during the Great Ttibulation.

Obama produced this movie for a reason. To prepare us for what will soon happen. Of course Trump somewhat thwarted their plan in 2016 and again last year. What plan? The 2030 WEF Globalist Plan to transform the world into a ONE WORLD Socialist Government. You see, the GLOBALIST Elites, formerly the Bilderbergs and Rothschilds, and more recently WEF chairman, Klaus Schwab, had this New World Order/ One World Government planned for decades. Back in 1999, Walter Chronchite gave a 15 minute speech to the Council on Foreign Relations stating that for peace, harmony and poverty to be solved, this NWO must take place; and that the USA would be the most difficult to convince, that it would be a hard pill to swallow; but that all nations would have to relinquish their sovereignty and join this socialist NWO.
Redistribution of wealth was on the list. But to destroy the USA was something that had to done internally; create division, racism, indoctrinate marxjst ideologies in schools and finally open all borders. If there are no borders, there are no countries.
So Obama set out to create this division of racism and erased lots of progress that we've gained since the 60's. Redistribution of wealth was on the top of the list ( they had to pay their fair share ... so let's tax them to the hilt). He wanted to destroy the middle class too. He come up with ant- capitalist slogans like: " You didn't build that'! Attacking the backbone if America- small businesses ( as they seriously did during Covid shutdown too). Backed by Soros, they manipulated every racial crime. Soros would hire trouble makers to go to towns like Ferguson, Baltimore, Seattle, Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, etc., and wreck havoc, protest, riot. "Occupy Wall Street", "Black Lives Matter", "ANTIFA", all paid for to cause division. But that wasn't enough. Trump came along and interrupted their plan in 2016 when Hillary was supposed to win. He knew what the world leaders wanted, heck 200 nations all signed in on the Global Warming/ Climate Change Doctrine ( which was a disguise for Global Governance). Way back in the 90's it was called the Kyoto Agreement.
So with this Utopian model, they really think they can solve world hunger, create world peace ... but all at a cost. Your freedoms disappear. They want to do their Great Reset and that requires them to totally collapse the financial system ( their finally ace in the hole). They collapse it temporarily, blame it on some rogue hackers and then come up with a solution - after everyone has lost everything, is broken, broke and hunger. Whatever you had in the bank is gone, life savings, 401Ks, homes foreclosed because no one could work to pay for the mortgages. No electricity, no one works expect thise who live off the land in the wilderness as they once did. These folks will do well. Well the Elites come forward with a solution to Reset everything, forgive all debts, but you must relinquish all property. No one will own anything and they say you'll be happy. If everyone has the same, ( nothing) no need to steal from the next guy, so they think this might eliminate the motivation to commit crime. No rich, no poor. No need to war against another nation; and since nations will give up their sovereign, there won't be any, just regions. No need for wars ... they think. Nope, that is unrealistic.
This is their ideology, they think man can create Utopia. IT WON'T WORK. WHY?
SIN. Man is sinful and evil always follows. So all you'll have are the ultra rich Elites on top and us stupid slaves on the bottom taking orders from them.
They are the stupid ones. What a bone head idea. This is why the Lord must soon intervene.
But back to this movie. Obama said this could happen - to plant that seed. Likely Trump has put another wrench in their works but unfortunately this One World Government is prophesied. But it will only last 3.5 years. When? Likely before 2030.

Sie vun verld ordah and its iron yoke cometh and is nigh ready .
The one world order . The digital CHAIN cometh and unto all who are loyal
they will continue to buy and to sell . The dragon has piped his song
to his well beloved Harlot and she has sang it unto the world and all her religoins .
And sadly A WHOLE HEAP of even christendom is now dancing to the song of a harlots love that
will be to their own destruction on the GREAT and MIGHTY DAY OF GOD ALL MIGHTY and THE LAMB .
So might i continue to advise us all , GO NO WHERE NEAR any ecumenicism interfaith .
For its all coming DOWN on THE DAY OF THE LORD . a

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

You keep insisting on the conspiracy theory that capitalists are deliberately shrinking the world population to make it easier to control.

The problem is: capitalism will collapse in the foreseeable future — 20–50 years, depending on the forecast. But collapse is as certain as 2+2=4. This is basic mathematics.

In that time, the world population won’t shrink enough to be “manageable” by a handful of elites.

When capitalism does collapse, humanity will be faced with a stark choice: try something else, or descend into total chaos.
And capitalist countries have nothing else. No one knows what to do, and no one is even discussing it.

Recently, France’s Prime Minister resigned, saying President Macron is in “frustration” — he doesn’t understand what’s happening, doesn’t know what to do, and is just ignoring the changing political, social, and economic reality.

When capitalism falls, the first phase will be pure chaos.

By the way, have you seen the film Leave the World Behind?

It’s executive-produced by Barack and Michelle Obama through their Higher Ground company.
Director Sam Esmail said Obama himself contributed to the script, drawing from his real-life experience as president to make the large-scale crisis scenario feel authentic.

Haha Macron a Capitalist ? a outright Satanic Communinst in fact ! He is undermining the true People France %100 !

It's clearly the Socialist that are undermining Capitalism in fact ! that is their main point, because they want to bring in Socialism, and then it will become Communist !

The Whole world will become Communist I am sure of that down the track ! Because they are clearly Satanist in control undermining the West, such kicked off in the 1960's and has only grew then about 2000 it became a real Power base !

What the hell would you truly know or understand about Capitalism any way ! you have been fed Socialist BS by Morons !

Look at Ukraine who were the fat cats investing in Ukraine, like G Soros etc a pure outright Nazis bastard in fact ! But how does this Nazi bastard get away with all that he does ? because of the Whore Media in the Wester World in fact ! and Socialist Power in Governments and a type of Mob on the Right fat cats That keep the lid on it all ! from educating the People about out right criminal intent morons like that only working too causing trouble and brainwashing the People !

Now we openly have the West supporting Nazis in fact ! and no one could say, No they are not !
All they have to do is say nothing about the Nazis in Ukraine ! and and the majority do not have a clue in fact ! When Nazis are right under their Nose in fact ! Just because the Sataninic Media do not report on their Nazi bed mates in fact !

 

[Gottservant]

In response to the OP:

It would be great if you talked about how we need to pray for this issue?

I for one, am grateful for what I have got and have told God so.

 

[JohnDB]

Still waiting for that answer, by the way:
Are you actually a Native American (you know, Cherokee, Navajo, Lakota, etc.), or are your ancestors the ones who “betrayed” whatever European country they left to come in USA? Because last time you were lecturing people about “We, who are natives in our home country graciously allow you work,” I asked and you went suspiciously quiet.

As for my friend being a “traitor”:
There is a specific article in the Ukrainian Criminal Code – Article 111 “Treason” (державна зрада). Leaving the country under a legal U.S. humanitarian parole program that your own government created and invited people to use is not treason. Not even close. It’s not desertion, it’s not collaboration, it’s not transferring secrets to the enemy. Zero Ukrainian court has ever charged a single U4U parolee with treason for accepting America’s invitation. So legally and factually you’re just making stuff up.

Calling refugees and their little kids “traitors” is inhumanely.
Calling pregnant women and legal parolees “traitors” because a new president decided to end the program overnight is cruel and hypocritical.

Pretty rich coming from someone whose own family tree almost certainly contains people who left their “motherland” for a better life.
So again: are you actually Native American - Indian?

Israel displaced Canaanites, Perezites, and many others when they took over the Promised Land 5,000 plus years ago.

They aren't considered invaders today by anyone EXCEPT murderous and terrorist factions of Palestinians. (Who are NOT from there either)

Here in America I'm something like a 4th Generation American citizen at worst case scenario....more like 6th in truth. Even have links to those at Plymouth Rock and the Mayflower. (I'm not into genealogy the way that others are)

But I've lived here and been raised by parents and Grandparents and Great Grandparents who have lived here their whole lives.

So....it is MY homeland. It's not YOURS. I'm part of the nationality known as American. I have several AMERICAN accents and clips. (Because I've lived in all four corners on both coasts)
You have a home but refuse to fight for it other than whine about what someone else has done taking it away.

I, like most Americans, am more than willing to take up firearms to defend my little community because it's full of family and friends. I will gladly lay down my life defending them....but hopefully only after I've taken down a bunch of invaders first. No hesitation or reservation. Would I be scared? Yep....but more angry than scared and I will use all the cunning I can muster to fight.

i find it so odd how you dont want to do anything to defend your family, friends, and hometown. Really kinda slimey IMHO.

And as far as Native Americans....ummm....you know nothing of them today. And those who claim Native American heritage know with certainty that they willfully don't know either. (Because it will mess up the profit payouts and management from the casinos)

You have a unique problem our courts have a name for. A lack of standing. You have zero standing or right to complain.

 

[Chrysostomos]

Nobody "hates" Ukranians" except for maybe Russians and Polish truck drivers.

The issue is one of loyalty demonstrated by actions and your statements.

Ukraine WAS a known destination for those interested in sex tourism.
Kinda icky IMHO.

Then those who are familiar with Eastern European cultures....like most of those living in Eastern Europe the lack of solidarity these people have with anyone is off the charts. Zero family loyalty and zero community loyalty. Also a lack of identifying cultural norms.
That's the real issues most people have with Ukranians in general. They have become more like weaker Romanians (gypsies) than anyone else. But even gypsies are more clannish than Ukrainians.

Those who have stayed in Ukraine to fight for their neighbors, family and friends have more clout in America than those who ran away. Those are the ones Americans can identify with more. Even if they did such a poor job of protecting their borders before.

And those who have fled Ukraine are now whining about America with our "lack" of support....or lack of Charity? And this after literally hubdreds of billions of dollars in aide has been given to help fight a war they refuse to fight?

Huh?

Yeah.....
The lack of morality and manners of Ukrainians has left us speechless.

Slovakians may be kinda annoying in their vascillating (flip flop opinions) and lack of commitments when it's time to make a decision....
But they at least understand concepts of loyalty.

What you just wrote is a disgusting, racist, xenophobic, stereotype-laden rant.

Shame on you.

You say “nobody hates Ukrainians” except maybe Russians and Polish truck drivers.
Then proceed to call us sex tourists, disloyal, lacking family/community values, “weaker Romanians/gypsies,” and morally/mannerless whiners.

That’s not “loyalty concerns.”
That’s hate dressed as concern.

Since 1991, Israel has welcomed over 700,000 repatriates from Ukraine — one of the largest waves from any single country.
In 2015, Ukraine provided 7,200 repatriates (30% of the total), Russia 4,700 (20%), and the CIS overall accounted for about 60% of all repatriates.
In 2022, following the full-scale war, Russia and Ukraine together made up 80% of repatriates: 28,000 from Russia (40%) and 28,000 from Ukraine (40%).

By comparison, repatriation from other regions remains minimal: In 2015, Western Europe contributed 1,200 people (5%, mostly from France), and the USA 500 (2%).
In 2022, the USA provided 3,000 (4%), and Western Europe 3,500 (5%).

Sources: Central Bureau of Statistics Israel, Jewish Agency, HIAS.

I haven’t heard a single Israeli complaining about “Ukrainian repatriates".

On the contrary, Israel actively invites Ukrainian as “new citizens”.

So why did Trump suddenly turn against all Ukrainians and cancel Uniting for Ukraine (U4U)?
Because Biden started it?

Even Israel, with its own security paranoia, sees Ukrainian as an asset.
You see Ukrainian as a threat.
Funny how that works.

We even have a running joke in Ukraine:
“Why is it better for a Ukrainian to make aliyah to Israel than to immigrate to the USA?”
Because in Israel the U.S. government pays for him (out of the U.S. budget),
and in the USA he has to pay into the U.S. budget himself.

So basically, Israel gets the skilled Ukrainian for free — courtesy of American taxpayers.
You’re welcome.

 

[JohnDB]

What you just wrote is a disgusting, racist, xenophobic, stereotype-laden rant.

Shame on you.

You say “nobody hates Ukrainians” except maybe Russians and Polish truck drivers.
Then proceed to call us sex tourists, disloyal, lacking family/community values, “weaker Romanians/gypsies,” and morally/mannerless whiners.

That’s not “loyalty concerns.”
That’s hate dressed as concern.

Since 1991, Israel has welcomed over 700,000 repatriates from Ukraine — one of the largest waves from any single country.
In 2015, Ukraine provided 7,200 repatriates (30% of the total), Russia 4,700 (20%), and the CIS overall accounted for about 60% of all repatriates.
In 2022, following the full-scale war, Russia and Ukraine together made up 80% of repatriates: 28,000 from Russia (40%) and 28,000 from Ukraine (40%).

By comparison, repatriation from other regions remains minimal: In 2015, Western Europe contributed 1,200 people (5%, mostly from France), and the USA 500 (2%).
In 2022, the USA provided 3,000 (4%), and Western Europe 3,500 (5%).

Sources: Central Bureau of Statistics Israel, Jewish Agency, HIAS.

I haven’t heard a single Israeli complaining about “Ukrainian repatriates".

On the contrary, Israel actively invites Ukrainian as “new citizens”.

So why did Trump suddenly turn against all Ukrainians and cancel Uniting for Ukraine (U4U)?
Because Biden started it?

Even Israel, with its own security paranoia, sees Ukrainian as an asset.
You see Ukrainian as a threat.
Funny how that works.

We even have a running joke in Ukraine:
“Why is it better for a Ukrainian to make aliyah to Israel than to immigrate to the USA?”
Because in Israel the U.S. government pays for him (out of the U.S. budget),
and in the USA he has to pay into the U.S. budget himself.

So basically, Israel gets the skilled Ukrainian for free — courtesy of American taxpayers.
You’re welcome.

I can't change the sex tourist destinations....if only I could I would. But that's on you and you ran away. You had a chance to fix it but instead you ran away. Don't say I'm name calling when it's the truth. I didn't make it true. But it's been true for decades.

Why is it that when it comes time for defending my homeland its not a question of "will I fight?" but "where can I do the most good?" But for you it's a question of "where can I escape to?"

And FYI.....Israel requires 2 years of public service for ALL citizens. There is no escape from it. Most are required to do military service without exception. And considering their current fight with Lebanon, Jordan, and Palestinians.......that's not going to work out.

An Israeli friend of mine who is a prominent and brilliant research scientist has to do her two years before she can go back to Israel again....when her current research grants are up she will. They have uses for her that won't include standing guard at a fence gate in the wilderness.

Israel is one of the most expensive places I've visited. Also has the most police of any nation I've visited. I don't see this working out well for Ukranians because Israel does not have the same child sex laws as the rest of the world. Anything goes over the age of 13 there. But there are definite consequences outside the legal system for doing such things....and they are most unpleasant. (Just saying) it's hot there....and the food is not that great. And if you think what I've said is prejudiced or xenophobic....you are in for a very rude awakening. Israel is NOT America. There is zero coddling there.

 

[Chrysostomos]

Israel displaced Canaanites, Perezites, and many others when they took over the Promised Land 5,000 plus years ago.

They aren't considered invaders today by anyone EXCEPT murderous and terrorist factions of Palestinians. (Who are NOT from there either)

Here in America I'm something like a 4th Generation American citizen at worst case scenario....more like 6th in truth. Even have links to those at Plymouth Rock and the Mayflower. (I'm not into genealogy the way that others are)

But I've lived here and been raised by parents and Grandparents and Great Grandparents who have lived here their whole lives.

So....it is MY homeland. It's not YOURS. I'm part of the nationality known as American. I have several AMERICAN accents and clips. (Because I've lived in all four corners on both coasts)
You have a home but refuse to fight for it other than whine about what someone else has done taking it away.

I, like most Americans, am more than willing to take up firearms to defend my little community because it's full of family and friends. I will gladly lay down my life defending them....but hopefully only after I've taken down a bunch of invaders first. No hesitation or reservation. Would I be scared? Yep....but more angry than scared and I will use all the cunning I can muster to fight.

i find it so odd how you dont want to do anything to defend your family, friends, and hometown. Really kinda slimey IMHO.

And as far as Native Americans....ummm....you know nothing of them today. And those who claim Native American heritage know with certainty that they willfully don't know either. (Because it will mess up the profit payouts and management from the casinos)

You have a unique problem our courts have a name for. A lack of standing. You have zero standing or right to complain.

1. You just openly admitted you’re not a Native American.
You’re a 4th–6th generation immigrant descendant.
Your ancestors fled wars, poverty, famine, or persecution somewhere in Europe and came looking for a better life.
Now you condemn people doing exactly the same thing your great-great-grandparents did.

2. You know absolutely nothing about Ukraine.
After 1991, power gradually went to the heirs of OUN-UPA and the SS-Galizien Division — literal Nazi collaborators.
Since 2014 they have:
- banned Russian-language schools and services
- banned the canonical Orthodox Church
- turned ethnic Russians, Hungarians, and even Jews into second-class citizens

That’s why half of Odessa’s Jewish population has already made aliyah.
That’s why Hungarians, Romanians, and Russian fled en masse after 2014 and especially after 2022.

You’re literally telling a Russian whose grandfather fought against Hitler:
“You traitor, go die for the descendants of SS-Galizien against the grandchildren of the Red Army that liberated Auschwitz.”

That’s not just ignorance.
That’s monstrous.

Now you understand how grotesquely ignorant and inhuman your position is?

3. A Russian-speaking guy from Kyiv left legally under Biden’s U4U program.
He didn’t want to be drafted to fight for the ideological heirs of SS-Galizien against the descendants of the Red Army that liberated Auschwitz (his own grandfather fought in that army).

Then Trump came in, shut down U4U, and ICE started hunting down everyone on that program.
Staying meant eventual forced deportation straight to Ukraine → straight to the Donbass trenches.

So he, his pregnant wife, and their toddler left the US before they could be caught.
They went to Brazil. There the child will born with a Brazilian passport, which immediately will give the whole family residency, and later a path to citizenship.

That’s a family refusing to let their children be cannon fodder for a regime that glorifies the same people their grandfathers fought against.

You call that “slimy.”
I call it basic human dignity.

Your ancestors did the same thing when they boarded ships to America.
The only difference is the calendar date.

So you want him to fight for the SS-Galizien Division?
Would you personally go fight for the SS-Galizien Division?

 

[JohnDB]

1. You just openly admitted you’re not a Native American.
You’re a 4th–6th generation immigrant descendant.
Your ancestors fled wars, poverty, famine, or persecution somewhere in Europe and came looking for a better life.
Now you condemn people doing exactly the same thing your great-great-grandparents did.

2. You know absolutely nothing about Ukraine.
After 1991, power gradually went to the heirs of OUN-UPA and the SS-Galizien Division — literal Nazi collaborators.
Since 2014 they have:
- banned Russian-language schools and services
- banned the canonical Orthodox Church
- turned ethnic Russians, Hungarians, and even Jews into second-class citizens

That’s why half of Odessa’s Jewish population has already made aliyah.
That’s why Hungarians, Romanians, and Russian fled en masse after 2014 and especially after 2022.

You’re literally telling a Russian whose grandfather fought against Hitler:
“You traitor, go die for the descendants of SS-Galizien against the grandchildren of the Red Army that liberated Auschwitz.”

That’s not just ignorance.
That’s monstrous.

Now you understand how grotesquely ignorant and inhuman your position is?

3. A Russian-speaking guy from Kyiv left legally under Biden’s U4U program.
He didn’t want to be drafted to fight for the ideological heirs of SS-Galizien against the descendants of the Red Army that liberated Auschwitz (his own grandfather fought in that army).

Then Trump came in, shut down U4U, and ICE started hunting down everyone on that program.
Staying meant eventual forced deportation straight to Ukraine → straight to the Donbass trenches.

So he, his pregnant wife, and their toddler left the US before they could be caught.
They went to Brazil. There the child will born with a Brazilian passport, which immediately will give the whole family residency, and later a path to citizenship.

That’s a family refusing to let their children be cannon fodder for a regime that glorifies the same people their grandfathers fought against.

You call that “slimy.”
I call it basic human dignity.

Your ancestors did the same thing when they boarded ships to America.
The only difference is the calendar date.

So you want him to fight for the SS-Galizien Division?
Would you personally go fight for the SS-Galizien Division?

Yep....I do.
Why did you vote for these people?
Why do you not have any loyalty to your community?
Why do you not have any friends in Ukraine?
Why do you not have any loyalty to your family?

Why didn't you and your community browbeat the users and abusers out of your communities?

A local guy here was caught breaking into the laundromat and stealing the money out of the machines. He has landed not only in jail as a criminal but his whole family excommunicated from the area. (They knew but did nothing) The outrage of his crimes continues today. Everyone knew where he lived. Nobody wants anything to do with him or his family anymore....not the local grocery store, the schools, or the shops. They charge them more for services like oil changes than others from the area. (Just one example) They are leaving.
I almost feel bad for the family...but they are not exactly good neighbors. Never really were.
And that's how it's handled here.
You did none of that. It was a "not my problem" until you abandoned everyone.

You talk about how the west is not having Children. Ukranians are evaporating completely. There won't be any very soon. Nada, a people from history like the Canaanites or Perezites.
These other nations can and might pull it together with child births. It will be painful but also a blessing when they do.
Just a matter of wanting to. America has done it many times and over many different situations. This is just one.
We are NOT the same.

The scriptures do have a name for those who flee from defending their home.

 

[Chrysostomos]

I can't change the sex tourist destinations....if only I could I would. But that's on you and you ran away. You had a chance to fix it but instead you ran away. Don't say I'm name calling when it's the truth. I didn't make it true. But it's been true for decades.

Why is it that when it comes time for defending my homeland its not a question of "will I fight?" but "where can I do the most good?" But for you it's a question of "where can I escape to?"

And FYI.....Israel requires 2 years of public service for ALL citizens. There is no escape from it. Most are required to do military service without exception. And considering their current fight with Lebanon, Jordan, and Palestinians.......that's not going to work out.

An Israeli friend of mine who is a prominent and brilliant research scientist has to do her two years before she can go back to Israel again....when her current research grants are up she will. They have uses for her that won't include standing guard at a fence gate in the wilderness.

Israel is one of the most expensive places I've visited. Also has the most police of any nation I've visited. I don't see this working out well for Ukranians because Israel does not have the same child sex laws as the rest of the world. Anything goes over the age of 13 there. But there are definite consequences outside the legal system for doing such things....and they are most unpleasant. (Just saying) it's hot there....and the food is not that great. And if you think what I've said is prejudiced or xenophobic....you are in for a very rude awakening. Israel is NOT America. There is zero coddling there.

You keep proving you know absolutely nothing about Ukraine.

1. It’s not about “fighting or running” — it’s about who you’re fighting for.
Eastern and southern Ukraine (Russian-speaking half) fought against Hitler in WWII and liberated Auschwitz.
Western Ukraine fought for Hitler as the SS-Galizien Division.
The entire southeast has been fleeing since 1991 — accelerating in 2014 and after 2022.
Serving in the IDF against Hamas is infinitely less terrifying than fighting for the ideological heirs of SS-Galizien.

2. The IDF is not the Ukrainian army.
One is a professional, high-tech force; the other is a meat grinder under constant political pressure.

3. Fighting IDF-style against Hamas (AK-wielding guerrillas with homemade pipe rockets) is not the same as facing the full might of the Russian military.
One is urban warfare in Gaza; the other is positional meat waves on the Donbass front.

4. Even if Israel isn’t paradise, it beats the US:
- Israel: instant citizenship on arrival, immediate cash aid, no paperwork hell.
- USA: $10k+ upfront to a lawyer, then sink endless money into a black hole — only for Trump to deport you anyway on a whim.

5. Israel actively recruits Ukrainians as “new citizens” (700k+ since 1991, ~28k in 2022 alone).
They’re educated and white.

So why does the US reject them?
Why did Trump shut down U4U — the program that legally brought 200k+ of us?
Because Biden started it?

Israel sees us as an asset.
You see us as a threat.
Why?

 

[JohnDB]

Israel sees us as an asset.
You see us as a threat.
Why?

Not a threat. Just unfaithful and cowardly.

Huge difference.

Your time discussing things in an honest fashion have come to an end. Your last two rants (plus the manner you have talked to others) have proven that you either cannot or will not engage in honest discussion.

Bye.

 

[Chrysostomos]

Yep....I do.
Why did you vote for these people?

Because Russian-speaking Ukrainians never voted for them. Ever. Here are the facts:

1. March 17, 1991 referendum on preserving a renewed USSR:
70.2 % of all Ukraine (83–90 % in the southeast) voted YES.
The USSR was dissolved anyway, against the people’s will. The West immediately bet on OUN-UNSO and other Nazi organisations.

2. 2004 – Yanukovych (southeast representative) legitimately won the presidential election.
The West organised the Orange Revolution, cancelled the results, forced an unconstitutional third round → Yushchenko in power → Ukrainian Nazism exploded.

3. 2010 – Yanukovych won again.
He was overthrown in an armed coup in February 2014 (six months before his term ended).
After that:
- Crimea and Donbass held referendums and left.
- In Mariupol, Russian-speaking protesters were crushed by tanks.
- In Odessa on May 2, 2014, 100+ Russian-speakers were burned alive in the Trade Unions House.

And against that background they held “elections” in 2014 and 2019.

So what “voting for Nazis” are you even talking about?
Russian-speaking regions either boycotted or their votes simply weren’t counted.

You keep demonstrating complete ignorance of what actually happened and is still happening in Ukraine.

While you live in your Hollywood fantasy, real civil war and ethnic cleansing were (and are) taking place.

So the question “why did you vote for them?” isn’t even a question.
It’s just proof that you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Why do you not have any loyalty to your community?
Why do you not have any friends in Ukraine?
Why do you not have any loyalty to your family?

Why didn't you and your community browbeat the users and abusers out of your communities?

A local guy here was caught breaking into the laundromat and stealing the money out of the machines. He has landed not only in jail as a criminal but his whole family excommunicated from the area. (They knew but did nothing) The outrage of his crimes continues today. Everyone knew where he lived. Nobody wants anything to do with him or his family anymore....not the local grocery store, the schools, or the shops. They charge them more for services like oil changes than others from the area. (Just one example) They are leaving.
I almost feel bad for the family...but they are not exactly good neighbors. Never really were.
And that's how it's handled here.
You did none of that. It was a "not my problem" until you abandoned everyone.

You talk about how the west is not having Children. Ukranians are evaporating completely. There won't be any very soon. Nada, a people from history like the Canaanites or Perezites.
These other nations can and might pull it together with child births. It will be painful but also a blessing when they do.
Just a matter of wanting to. America has done it many times and over many different situations. This is just one.
We are NOT the same.

The scriptures do have a name for those who flee from defending their home.

Here’s what you’re actually saying, once we translate it from “small-town American” into plain human language:

- “You have no loyalty to neighbors, friends, family, or homeland.”

Classic small-town American myth: “In our town of 3,000 people, if someone steals quarters from a laundromat, the whole family gets permanently shunned.”
We have the same village legend here, by the way.

- “You have no social pressure or mutual responsibility, that’s why everything collapsed.”

You have no clue that the southeast did resist — they were crushed by tanks and burned alive in Odessa.

- “Ukrainians will vanish like the Canaanites or Perizzites.”

A prophecy from a guy who can’t tell Kharkiv from Kherson.

- “But we Americans always fix everything because we have the will.”

Patriotic fanfiction at the level of “300 Spartans,” except with cowboys instead of Spartans.

- “Scripture has a name for those who flee instead of defending their home.”

If you love the SS-Galizien heirs so much, feel free to sign a contract with the Ukrainian army yourself.

Bottom line: this is the standard redneck package — a mix of village moralising, total ignorance of Ukrainian reality, and rock-solid belief that everything in Texas/Iowa is perfect and the rest of the world just “didn’t want to be normal hard-working folks.”

 

[Chrysostomos]

Not a threat. Just unfaithful and cowardly.

Huge difference.

Your time discussing things in an honest fashion have come to an end. Your last two rants (plus the manner you have talked to others) have proven that you either cannot or will not engage in honest discussion.

Bye.

You’re an ignorant boor who spews garbage about Ukraine.
Everything you wrote about Ukrainians is a disgusting, racist, xenophobic, stereotype-drenched rant.
You’ve spent this entire thread slandering my friends and calling them traitors and cowards.

And now you lecture me about “honest dialogue”?

Every single one of your messages has been ignorance wrapped in cynical inhumanity.

The fact that you’re running away right now only proves one thing:
you’re finally starting to realise what repulsive, vile nonsense you’ve been writing.

But don’t bother replying.
You’ve already shown yourself in all your ugliness.

 

[Chrysostomos]

I guess you didn't read my first post?

You mean post #172?
I read it and already replied in #186.

I still don’t get it:
If you’re not having your own kids (US TFR 1.6) and you refuse to bring in migrants to replace the shrinking population, then where exactly do you plan to get the next generation of Americans from?

 

[Chrysostomos]

You are missing the whole point of what I have been saying, of the parable, and the scriptures.

I am trying to help you--help you to see that.

The point is, this whole thread is about mammon and the cares of this world. That is fine, talk about anything you want. But you are struggling with it, ranting and raving about it as being unjust, and saying there is a better way--even then using the scriptures to support your agenda. All of which you did first before I said anything.

My point was to offer you a look at the bigger picture, to present the proper "seek first the kingdom of God" approach, and allow Him to add those worldly things to you--that is the rightful biblical approach in it's proper order--and you have been looking at it all backwards.

In the overall biblical model and literally the reason God has created this world, there is actually a God-caused purpose for the struggle that you are experiencing. And people conforming to the best model of how to make things fair, is not the answer. In fact, not only is that missing God's point and purpose for causing things to be as they are, but you are actively working against His agenda.

In God's agenda the cream is suppose to rise to the top--it has purpose--His purpose. And looking at the results and pointing to the splinter in the eyes of other people--is it's own parable. Take a lesson. You are looking at everything all wrong. We are suppose to pray for our leaders, whether kings, or presidents, or priests. They are where they are doing what they are doing--whether for good or for evil--because God is using them and what they are doing. Relax. What's the worst that could happen--you and your whole family die? You're all going to die anyway.

Meanwhile, you can kick against the goads or go with the flow and trust that God is working all things together for good for those who love Him according to [His] purpose. His purpose. Including tribulations, confusion, etc. But does that mean you should not try to do what is right for your life in this world? Of course not. But it absolutely does not mean you take it upon yourself to campaign for a worldly-based solution to manufacture a man made remedy and agenda for how to make life a little less stressful and a little more comfortable. Absolutely not!

So--take another look at things (from God's perspective and agenda)--or don't and see where that gets you. In either case, I have said enough for you to come around to looking at things differently. If you want to discuss things further, begin as if you have no idea what God has actually been up to. Instead of making claims and assertions, ask questions. Otherwise, don't expect me to respond.

Here’s what you just told me, translated from pious-sounding "Christianese" into plain English:

1. The current system (sky-high housing, wages that don’t allow families, demographic collapse, 1 % owning everything) is deliberately arranged by God for His mysterious purpose.
2. Anyone who tries to fix it with human solutions (better wages, housing policy, anything at all) is actively fighting against God’s plan.
3. The correct Christian response is to shut up, “seek first the kingdom,” pray for the oligarchs and presidents, and calmly wait for God to “add all these things” while everything collapses.
4. My anger at children becoming a luxury is just “serving mammon” and “cares of this world.”
5. Even if my entire family dies in poverty, no big deal — we’re all going to die anyway, and God is “using” our suffering for His glory.
6. So stop “kicking against the goads,” accept the cage, and trust the Sovereign Plan™.

That is not biblical Christianity.
That is textbook spiritual anaesthesia — the same drug that was used for centuries to keep slaves quiet, serfs obedient, and today keeps Christians silent while billionaires and corporations devour the future of the next generation.

You just told a man whose people are literally dying out:
“Don’t you dare fight for your children to have a future — that’s opposing God. Just die silently”

This isn’t “seeking first the kingdom.”
This is Satanism

Real faith moves mountains — it doesn’t tell people to lie down and die quietly under them.

You’re still being a hypocrite.

By your own logic, this entire thread (the demographic collapse, capitalism, everything) is part of God’s sovereign plan.
Yet here you are, writing message after message after message trying to stop me and convince me nothing can or should change.

So pick one:

1. Show the real example: shut up completely, never write another word anywhere, accept everything exactly as it is, and let God’s perfect plan roll on without your interference.
2. Or admit that you’re a hypocrite: you preach total submission and “don’t fight the system,” but the moment someone challenges your comfort you jump in and fight like hell to silence them.

You’re not “helping” me.
I’m the one helping you: helping you finally make your words match your actions, or helping you realise that you’re dead wrong when you say one thing and do the exact opposite.

 

[Chrysostomos]

Did even Jesus answer questions just as they were presented?

No.

Nor did I. What I did however, was very much like what He often did--I answered giving the real answer instead of the one you were expecting.

Your question was not the point, not the real issue. And after doing you one better, after offering you more and giving you a better explanation--you simple rejected it.

So here we are.

Since you claim to answer “like Jesus did,” let’s see what Jesus actually said about wealth, the rich, and the system that makes children unaffordable:

Jesus Himself
- “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! … It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” (Mark 10:23–25; Matthew 19:24; Luke 18:25)

- “Woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort.” (Luke 6:24)

- “You cannot serve God and mammon.” (Matthew 6:24)

- “Sell your possessions and give to the poor… For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.” (Luke 12:33–34)

- The rich man and Lazarus: the rich man feasts while Lazarus starves at his gate → rich man burns in Hades (Luke 16:19–31)

- “No one can serve two masters… You cannot serve God and money.” (Matthew 6:24)

The Apostles
- “Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you… You have laid up treasure in the last days. Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you… You have lived on the earth in luxury and in self-indulgence. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter.” (James 5:1–6)

- “Those who desire to be rich fall into temptation… For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils.” (1 Timothy 6:9–10)

- “Godliness with contentment is great gain… But those who desire to be rich… pierce themselves with many pangs.” (1 Timothy 6:6–10)

Jesus never once said “the rich are rich because God wants the cream to rise.”
He said the opposite, again and again, in the plainest language possible.

Your “spiritual bigger-picture” excuse is the real dodge here.
The Scriptures you claim to love condemn the system you’re defending in the clearest possible terms.

Stop hiding behind “God’s mysterious plan.”
Jesus already told us what He thinks of the rich and of mammon-worshippers.
And it wasn’t a blessing.

 

[Chrysostomos]

It was not I who was speaking with you. Take your grievances up with Him.

You keep trying to turn this entire thread into a personal counselling session about my soul, my attitude, my grievances.
That’s absurd.

This topic was never about “my personal problem.”
Demographic collapse is not an individual psychological issue.

It becomes a problem for everyone the day the capitalist pyramid finally runs out of new bodies and the whole thing crashes.

When transnational corporations have vacuumed up every fiat dollar on earth and there’s no one left to buy their products, pay their debt, or staff their factories, those mountains of unbacked money will become worthless in a single afternoon.

That’s not “my grievance.”
That’s objective mathematics.

So stop psychoanalysing me and stop pretending this is about my personal bitterness.
The crisis is real, measurable, and coming for every single person — including you and your grandchildren.

Dodging behind “take it up with God” doesn’t make the numbers go away.

 

[JohnDB]

One of those things I WISH I could change here in the USA is the plaque under the statue of Liberty.

Give us your tired, your poor, your brokenhearted....

It's a lie. Always been a lie. Never has been the truth.

EVERY immigrant, in this nation of immigrants, has been skilled in some fashion with a needed skillset. Or else they have not been allowed in and promptly sent back.

Then they have had to work HARD to rise up to become average middle class. They have forsaken their culture to favor ours. They have worked very diligently to become "one of us". And that change has never been easy.
Yes, America is a "land of opportunity".
But opportunity is just that. An option to become a success in society....become middle class. An accepted part of our society and culture.
It's NEVER been easy or without frustration for those coming here.

Today, those from India are finding American life possible. They have an active Caste-Based society in India that is rife with tons of social injustices. They have to put in the work here....but by their standards more than possible. And that's what is needed.

And American culture is one that you either choose to be a part of it or it can become increasingly difficult to remain a part of.

Make no mistake....(as the Somalians and Ukranians have just discovered) you are not an honored guest....just a visitor on probation. You cause issues and problems, you can very easily and quickly find yourself OUT. the wheels sometimes grind slowly....but they grind ever so finely.
It's not a free-for-all as the Democrats have tried to make it seem.

Because eventually the question gets asked, "Why are they here? What do they want to do here?"

And if it's not a positive answer....the whole environment for them can change very quickly.
The Cambodians and Laotians ALMOST found out....they really were on the razor's edge of getting deported wholesale. It came that close. (Carter was an idiot on international issues and Ford was too tired to do anything).

Just saying....things are NEVER what they appear on the surface. And that plaque on the Statue of Liberty has always been a lie.

 

[Chrysostomos]

Capitalism and everything else fails during the Great Ttibulation.

Obama produced this movie for a reason. To prepare us for what will soon happen. Of course Trump somewhat thwarted their plan in 2016 and again last year. What plan? The 2030 WEF Globalist Plan to transform the world into a ONE WORLD Socialist Government. You see, the GLOBALIST Elites, formerly the Bilderbergs and Rothschilds, and more recently WEF chairman, Klaus Schwab, had this New World Order/ One World Government planned for decades. Back in 1999, Walter Chronchite gave a 15 minute speech to the Council on Foreign Relations stating that for peace, harmony and poverty to be solved, this NWO must take place; and that the USA would be the most difficult to convince, that it would be a hard pill to swallow; but that all nations would have to relinquish their sovereignty and join this socialist NWO.
Redistribution of wealth was on the list. But to destroy the USA was something that had to done internally; create division, racism, indoctrinate marxjst ideologies in schools and finally open all borders. If there are no borders, there are no countries.
So Obama set out to create this division of racism and erased lots of progress that we've gained since the 60's. Redistribution of wealth was on the top of the list ( they had to pay their fair share ... so let's tax them to the hilt). He wanted to destroy the middle class too. He come up with ant- capitalist slogans like: " You didn't build that'! Attacking the backbone if America- small businesses ( as they seriously did during Covid shutdown too). Backed by Soros, they manipulated every racial crime. Soros would hire trouble makers to go to towns like Ferguson, Baltimore, Seattle, Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, etc., and wreck havoc, protest, riot. "Occupy Wall Street", "Black Lives Matter", "ANTIFA", all paid for to cause division. But that wasn't enough. Trump came along and interrupted their plan in 2016 when Hillary was supposed to win. He knew what the world leaders wanted, heck 200 nations all signed in on the Global Warming/ Climate Change Doctrine ( which was a disguise for Global Governance). Way back in the 90's it was called the Kyoto Agreement.
So with this Utopian model, they really think they can solve world hunger, create world peace ... but all at a cost. Your freedoms disappear. They want to do their Great Reset and that requires them to totally collapse the financial system ( their finally ace in the hole). They collapse it temporarily, blame it on some rogue hackers and then come up with a solution - after everyone has lost everything, is broken, broke and hunger. Whatever you had in the bank is gone, life savings, 401Ks, homes foreclosed because no one could work to pay for the mortgages. No electricity, no one works expect thise who live off the land in the wilderness as they once did. These folks will do well. Well the Elites come forward with a solution to Reset everything, forgive all debts, but you must relinquish all property. No one will own anything and they say you'll be happy. If everyone has the same, ( nothing) no need to steal from the next guy, so they think this might eliminate the motivation to commit crime. No rich, no poor. No need to war against another nation; and since nations will give up their sovereign, there won't be any, just regions. No need for wars ... they think. Nope, that is unrealistic.
This is their ideology, they think man can create Utopia. IT WON'T WORK. WHY?
SIN. Man is sinful and evil always follows. So all you'll have are the ultra rich Elites on top and us stupid slaves on the bottom taking orders from them.
They are the stupid ones. What a bone head idea. This is why the Lord must soon intervene.
But back to this movie. Obama said this could happen - to plant that seed. Likely Trump has put another wrench in their works but unfortunately this One World Government is prophesied. But it will only last 3.5 years. When? Likely before 2030.

Your whole conspiracy is looking in the wrong direction.

The 1 % don’t need a secret 2030 plan, Rothschilds, or a cyber-attack to finish the job.
They’ve already done it in broad daylight:

- They turned private property from a universal right into a marketing slogan that only the top 1 % can actually use.
For Gen Z in every “free-market” country, owning a home, land, or even a stable family-size apartment is now mathematically impossible on one or two normal salaries.
The right exists on paper; in practice it has been quietly abolished for 99 % of the population.

- Modern capitalism has openly mutated into neo-feudalism:
a tiny class of transnational lords (private-equity funds, hedge funds, BlackRock, Vanguard, offshore billionaires) owns everything — housing, farmland, water rights, patents, data, even the debt of entire nations.
The rest are debt-serfs who will never own anything and will pay rent forever.

- National borders, citizenship, and sovereignty mean nothing to them.
They have offshore companies, multiple passports, and call themselves “global citizens.”
To a transnational corporation you are not American, Ukrainian, or anything else — you are just one interchangeable unit out of eight billion revenue sources.

This isn’t a coming One-World Socialist Government.
This is a completed One-World Corporate Feudal Order, built and run by the same capitalist system you keep defending.

The population collapse you see everywhere is the direct result: when 99 % are permanently locked out of property, marriage, and children, they simply stop reproducing.
No Antichrist required — just compound interest and asset-price inflation did the job.

So the real destroyers of nations aren’t Klaus Schwab or some future socialist dictatorship.
They’re the people who already own 70 % of all wealth and keep buying up the rest while telling the young “just work harder.”

That’s the crisis.
Everything else is a distraction.

 

[Chrysostomos]

Haha Macron a Capitalist ? a outright Satanic Communinst in fact ! He is undermining the true People France %100 !

It's clearly the Socialist that are undermining Capitalism in fact ! that is their main point, because they want to bring in Socialism, and then it will become Communist !

The Whole world will become Communist I am sure of that down the track ! Because they are clearly Satanist in control undermining the West, such kicked off in the 1960's and has only grew then about 2000 it became a real Power base !

What the hell would you truly know or understand about Capitalism any way ! you have been fed Socialist BS by Morons !

Look at Ukraine who were the fat cats investing in Ukraine, like G Soros etc a pure outright Nazis bastard in fact ! But how does this Nazi bastard get away with all that he does ? because of the Whore Media in the Wester World in fact ! and Socialist Power in Governments and a type of Mob on the Right fat cats That keep the lid on it all ! from educating the People about out right criminal intent morons like that only working too causing trouble and brainwashing the People !

Now we openly have the West supporting Nazis in fact ! and no one could say, No they are not !
All they have to do is say nothing about the Nazis in Ukraine ! and and the majority do not have a clue in fact ! When Nazis are right under their Nose in fact ! Just because the Sataninic Media do not report on their Nazi bed mates in fact !

You’re screaming “Macron is a satanic communist!” and “the whole West is becoming communist!” while simultaneously claiming Soros (a billionaire currency speculator) is secretly funding Nazis in Ukraine.

Pick one lane, brother.

Either:
- the world is being taken over by communists who hate private property and billionaires, or
- the world is run by billionaire capitalists and their private-equity empires who own everything in sight.

It literally cannot be both.

Reality check:
The same Western system that gave us Macron, Soros, BlackRock, Vanguard, and $400,000 average home prices in France is the exact same hyper-capitalist system that made children unaffordable and fertility collapse to 1.3–1.6 across the entire West.

That system is not “communist.”
It’s end-stage, winner-take-all, transnational capitalism/neofeudalism that has already turned 99 % of Zoomers into lifelong renters for a handful of corporate landlords.

Calling that “communism” or “satanic socialism” is the funniest cope I’ve heard all week.

 

[Chrysostomos]

History shows the general failure of socialism or communal life. Noting the exceptions is just foolish. The same could be said of crime families, etc. And most of us have learned the lesson of repeating the failures of history.

It's not that there aren't some good practices to be gleamed from socialism or communal life. But there is a line not to be crossed, that at this point in world history--we should all know better than to cross.

First, I’ve already cited two industrial-era precedents where socialism did reverse demographic collapse:
- Gaddafi’s Libya (1969–2011): Libya’s population more than tripled, growing from ~2 million to ~6.5 million.
- Nazi Germany (1933–1939): TFR climbed from 1.58 to 2.4 in six years through marriage loans and child bonuses.

Second, the contrast on the Korean Peninsula right now speaks for itself:
- North Korea (socialist): TFR held above 2.0 until the 2020s (1970s: 3.5–4.0; 1980s: 2.5–3.0; 1990s: 2.0–2.5; 2000s: 2.1; 2010s: 2; 2023: ~1.8) — still above many capitalist peers despite sanctions.
- South Korea (capitalist): TFR crashed from 4.5 in 1970 to 0.72 in 2023 (Seoul: 0.59) — the lowest in human history.

What exactly are you talking about?

You still haven’t said a word about the kibbutzim — voluntary, pure-communism communes in Israel that have thrived for 100 years with TFR 3–4 (higher than the national 2.9).
Can’t find anything bad to say about communism when it’s "Jewish"?