Demographic collapse. Capitalism Dies of Childlessness

[Chrysostomos]

Your god is clearly the Socialist god !

1. The Bible is the single most anti-capitalist, pro-redistribution document in human history:

- Land belongs to God, never to private speculators (Lev 25:23)
- Every 50 years total reset: all sold land returns to original families, all debt slaves freed (Lev 25:8–55)
- Every 7 years total debt cancellation (Deut 15:1–11)
- Interest on loans to fellow citizens forbidden (Ex 22:25, Lev 25:35–37, Deut 23:19–20)
- Deliberate inefficiency commanded so the poor can eat (Lev 19:9–10, 23:22; Ruth 2)
- Hoarding wealth while others starve (James 5:1–6, Prov 21:13)
- Early church: private property liquidated, everything common, distribution strictly by need (Acts 2:44–45, 4:32–35)

Show me one verse, just one, that praises a rich man simply for getting richer.
You won’t find it, because the Bible treats the accumulation of private capital the way it treats Baal worship.

2. The LGBT + abortion cocktail glued to “socialism” is a 100 % Western, post-1968 invention.

Real National Socialism, socialist/communist states and movements:

- National-Socialist Germany 1933–1945: banned homosexual propaganda (§175 strengthened), shut down gay bars, destroyed Magnus Hirschfeld’s institute, burned “degenerate” books, outlawed abortion for “healthy Aryan women”
- Gaddafi’s Libya (Green Book socialism): homosexuality punishable by 5 years prison, abortion illegal except to save the mother’s life
- PRC China: no gay marriage, no pride parades.
- DPRK: homosexuality effectively criminalised, abortion restricted
- Russian Communist Party (КПРФ) today: openly anti-LGBT, anti-abortion rights

The moment you say “socialism = rainbow flags” you are not describing socialism.
You are describing Coca-Cola and BlackRock’s marketing department pretending to be left-wing.

3. You still haven’t answered the living, breathing,
100-year-old counter-example I keep putting in front of you:
the Israeli kibbutz.

- 100 % voluntary
- 100 % communal property
- Zero wages, pure “from each according to ability, to each according to need”
- Even more radical than a Soviet kolkhoz (no private plots, communal child-rearing, communal dining halls)
- Fertility rate in the classic kibbutzim: 3–4 children per woman (higher than the Israeli national average of 2.9–3.1)

Still waiting for your explanation how “pure communism in miniature” produces higher birth rates than the capitalist parts of the same country.

Until you can face these three facts (the Bible, actual socialist states, and the kibbutz), your posts are just noise.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Why go to Brazil?
Why not home to Ukraine?

Angry at the USA because they can't stay in the USA?

That makes ZERO sense.
The amount of insanity for your emotions is beyond belief.

Thank God He appointed Trump to be POTUS! Our borders are more closed now than they have ever been. We do not owe any country or illegals anything. People must earn their own living and those who are successful have a good work ethic.
The bleeding heart liberals always search for one case and then it becomes front and center and then make the claim of thousands suffering the same fate.
We are talking about 13+ million illegal aliens that Biden illegally invited over here to get their votes. It didn 't work. Now they all have their hands out for a free life, free education , healthcare, welfare, housing ... and who pays for it? Sure some of them are willing to work but the Immigration laws are already there and have been fir a long time - we are just now enforcing them. Certaining we won't, nor is it possible to deport all of them. I think Trump is concerned first about the criminal element, which could be 10% of them. Of course we will be more compassionate about the children but with a $36 trillion debt - WE CAN'T AFFORD ANY OF THEM AND THE COUNTRY IS CLOSE TO THE EDGE OF COLLAPSE EVEN WITHOUT THAT PROBLEM.
BIDEN was certainly the worst president ever, a lying, deceiving grifter for the last fifty years of his service. And Kamala, the cackling idiot ... wow. God intervened on that one for sure.
Come Lord Jesus!

 

[JohnDB]

Because there’s still a full-scale war in Ukraine.
Sending a pregnant wife and a small child “home” right now would be reckless and dangerous. Brazil (along with Argentina, Uruguay, etc.) is one of the few countries still giving humanitarian residence to Ukrainians on the spot, plus immediate medical care and a path to citizenship for the newborn.

No – angry at the fact that the rules were changed mid-game. These people were invited here by the U.S. government under a program Biden created, arrived 100 % legally through regular airports, got fingerprinted, background-checked, and were told “welcome, you have up to two years.” Many were literally promised by DHS officials that re-parole would be available. Then a new administration came in, froze all extensions overnight, and started mass removal proceedings against exactly the people who followed every rule and left a paper trail. That’s why they’re easy to find and deport. The ones who crossed the Rio Grande with no documents and never checked in with ICE? A lot of them are still in USA, because they’re off the radar. Law-abiding people are the low-hanging fruit.

What we’re seeing now is the direct result of executive orders signed in the first weeks of Trump’s second term that explicitly targeted humanitarian parole programs for termination. That’s just a fact, not an opinion.

So,
They are traitors to their own country.

And are now angry that the USA doesn't want traitors to immigrate in?

Cossacks really do have a unique sense of loyalty.

 

[Chrysostomos]

The Fix ? Abide in Christ Jesus is the Only Way !

So you’re seriously proposing that the entire Gen Z in capitalist countries should just go off and become monks?
Or what exactly are you suggesting?
What’s the practical application here?
What should a 22-year-old actually do with your advice tomorrow morning?

 

[Chrysostomos]

Thank God He appointed Trump to be POTUS! Our borders are more closed now than they have ever been. We do not owe any country or illegals anything. People must earn their own living and those who are successful have a good work ethic.
The bleeding heart liberals always search for one case and then it becomes front and center and then make the claim of thousands suffering the same fate.
We are talking about 13+ million illegal aliens that Biden illegally invited over here to get their votes. It didn 't work. Now they all have their hands out for a free life, free education , healthcare, welfare, housing ... and who pays for it? Sure some of them are willing to work but the Immigration laws are already there and have been fir a long time - we are just now enforcing them. Certaining we won't, nor is it possible to deport all of them. I think Trump is concerned first about the criminal element, which could be 10% of them. Of course we will be more compassionate about the children but with a $36 trillion debt - WE CAN'T AFFORD ANY OF THEM AND THE COUNTRY IS CLOSE TO THE EDGE OF COLLAPSE EVEN WITHOUT THAT PROBLEM.
BIDEN was certainly the worst president ever, a lying, deceiving grifter for the last fifty years of his service. And Kamala, the cackling idiot ... wow. God intervened on that one for sure.
Come Lord Jesus!

The US fertility rate is about 1.6 children per woman (CDC 2023 provisional: 1.62; 2024 estimate: 1.59), well below replacement level (2.1).

If you refuse to have more children yourselves, and refuse to accept migrants, then where exactly do you plan to get the next generation of Americans from?

Right now Ukraine is a goldmine for “new citizens” — and Europeans are eagerly cashing in. Ukrainians are white, highly educated, culturally and religiously close to Europeans (many are Catholic or Protestant, just like you). We’re Slavs, the same as Poles, Czechs, Slovaks — basically indigenous Europeans.

I don’t know if you hate Ukrainians specifically, but who else will be living in the US in 100 years?
Your borders might be “closed,” but empty cradles don’t care about walls.

 

[Chrysostomos]

Check out this 2009 video, "Demographics of fertility rates and the growth of Islam" https://share.google/bJiItnB19svFvmPMl

I saw this report 16 years ago, the numbers have decreased, but the theory is not new. In the report fertility rates all over were decling; yet Islamic immigration corrected it ... and their fertility rate was 8.1. So the 2009 video simply stated that within 40 years or so, Europe would be dominated by Muslims. The USA not as volernerable, but you can see that IF THE WORLD CONTINUED IN IT'S CURRENT PATH (which already has 50 countries dominated by Islam), then the fute looks grim.

I AM HERE TO TELL YOU TO FEAR NOT!
THE LORD WILL SOON INTERVENE!
You don't seem to have any faith, as if our future is determined by man alone. God is sovereign! JESUS IS COMING SOON ... SO YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME, SPINNING YOUR WHEELS, WORRYING FOR NOTHING.
And btw, I agree with a few of the other Conservative folks on this thread. The Left, who want to destroy capitalism and promote socialism are deceived. They are the ones who are responsible for abortions and indoctinating the youth to have smaller families, etc. They are more selfish and concerned about their own lives, steering away from GOD'S PURPOSE OF BEING FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLYING. It appears that Muslims are still adhering to that command ... only they are wrong about God.
Give it few more years and Jesus will fix everything.

We’ve already debunked this:

- “Western leftists” have zero relation to real socialism.
- Real socialism has zero relation to LGBT+ and abortion-on-demand (it was pro-natalist to the extreme).

If your only hope is “Jesus is coming soon to fix everything,” great.
Just remember: when He does come, the capitalists are the ones who are going to be in for the rudest shock, not the socialists.

Check Matthew 25:31–46 and James 5:1–6 again.

 

[JohnDB]

I don’t know if you hate Ukrainians specifically, but who else will be living in the US in 100 years?
Your borders might be “closed,” but empty cradles don’t care about walls.

Nobody "hates" Ukranians" except for maybe Russians and Polish truck drivers.

The issue is one of loyalty demonstrated by actions and your statements.

Ukraine WAS a known destination for those interested in sex tourism.
Kinda icky IMHO.

Then those who are familiar with Eastern European cultures....like most of those living in Eastern Europe the lack of solidarity these people have with anyone is off the charts. Zero family loyalty and zero community loyalty. Also a lack of identifying cultural norms.
That's the real issues most people have with Ukranians in general. They have become more like weaker Romanians (gypsies) than anyone else. But even gypsies are more clannish than Ukrainians.

Those who have stayed in Ukraine to fight for their neighbors, family and friends have more clout in America than those who ran away. Those are the ones Americans can identify with more. Even if they did such a poor job of protecting their borders before.

And those who have fled Ukraine are now whining about America with our "lack" of support....or lack of Charity? And this after literally hubdreds of billions of dollars in aide has been given to help fight a war they refuse to fight?

Huh?

Yeah.....
The lack of morality and manners of Ukrainians has left us speechless.

Slovakians may be kinda annoying in their vascillating (flip flop opinions) and lack of commitments when it's time to make a decision....
But they at least understand concepts of loyalty.

 

[JohnDB]

We’ve already debunked this:

- “Western leftists” have zero relation to real socialism.
- Real socialism has zero relation to LGBT+ and abortion-on-demand (it was pro-natalist to the extreme).

If your only hope is “Jesus is coming soon to fix everything,” great.
Just remember: when He does come, the capitalists are the ones who are going to be in for the rudest shock, not the socialists.

Check Matthew 25:31–46 and James 5:1–6 again.

Ummmmm
No you have not. That's a lie. There are many direct links in history. It's a fundamental part of the playbook.

 

[Chrysostomos]

They a bsolutely do not care a bout humanity at all .
They desire only a world wherein they live as the gods
and YES a small population is needed
I mean someone has to praise them as though they are gods .
They DO NOT care about humanity . This is a fact .
They would have no problem with billions killed . They will not even shed a tear , LEST of course
it be in pretense to their serfs upom WHOM they LORD over . If people think that mankind
is basically good at heart , BETTER THINK again .
In the heart of man lies evil . Time to abandon any and all hopes in men ,
govts , politics of any sort ,
TIME to HOPE IN GOD , T RUST IN GOD and preach JESUS while there still BE time to do so .

You keep insisting on the conspiracy theory that capitalists are deliberately shrinking the world population to make it easier to control.

The problem is: capitalism will collapse in the foreseeable future — 20–50 years, depending on the forecast. But collapse is as certain as 2+2=4. This is basic mathematics.

In that time, the world population won’t shrink enough to be “manageable” by a handful of elites.

When capitalism does collapse, humanity will be faced with a stark choice: try something else, or descend into total chaos.
And capitalist countries have nothing else. No one knows what to do, and no one is even discussing it.

Recently, France’s Prime Minister resigned, saying President Macron is in “frustration” — he doesn’t understand what’s happening, doesn’t know what to do, and is just ignoring the changing political, social, and economic reality.

When capitalism falls, the first phase will be pure chaos.

By the way, have you seen the film Leave the World Behind?

It’s executive-produced by Barack and Michelle Obama through their Higher Ground company.
Director Sam Esmail said Obama himself contributed to the script, drawing from his real-life experience as president to make the large-scale crisis scenario feel authentic.

 

[Chrysostomos]

So,
They are traitors to their own country.

And are now angry that the USA doesn't want traitors to immigrate in?

Cossacks really do have a unique sense of loyalty.

Still waiting for that answer, by the way:
Are you actually a Native American (you know, Cherokee, Navajo, Lakota, etc.), or are your ancestors the ones who “betrayed” whatever European country they left to come in USA? Because last time you were lecturing people about “We, who are natives in our home country graciously allow you work,” I asked and you went suspiciously quiet.

As for my friend being a “traitor”:
There is a specific article in the Ukrainian Criminal Code – Article 111 “Treason” (державна зрада). Leaving the country under a legal U.S. humanitarian parole program that your own government created and invited people to use is not treason. Not even close. It’s not desertion, it’s not collaboration, it’s not transferring secrets to the enemy. Zero Ukrainian court has ever charged a single U4U parolee with treason for accepting America’s invitation. So legally and factually you’re just making stuff up.

Calling refugees and their little kids “traitors” is inhumanely.
Calling pregnant women and legal parolees “traitors” because a new president decided to end the program overnight is cruel and hypocritical.

Pretty rich coming from someone whose own family tree almost certainly contains people who left their “motherland” for a better life.
So again: are you actually Native American - Indian?

 

[Chrysostomos]

Nobody "hates" Ukranians" except for maybe Russians and Polish truck drivers.

The issue is one of loyalty demonstrated by actions and your statements.

Ukraine WAS a known destination for those interested in sex tourism.
Kinda icky IMHO.

Then those who are familiar with Eastern European cultures....like most of those living in Eastern Europe the lack of solidarity these people have with anyone is off the charts. Zero family loyalty and zero community loyalty. Also a lack of identifying cultural norms.
That's the real issues most people have with Ukranians in general. They have become more like weaker Romanians (gypsies) than anyone else. But even gypsies are more clannish than Ukrainians.

Those who have stayed in Ukraine to fight for their neighbors, family and friends have more clout in America than those who ran away. Those are the ones Americans can identify with more. Even if they did such a poor job of protecting their borders before.

And those who have fled Ukraine are now whining about America with our "lack" of support....or lack of Charity? And this after literally hubdreds of billions of dollars in aide has been given to help fight a war they refuse to fight?

Huh?

Yeah.....
The lack of morality and manners of Ukrainians has left us speechless.

Slovakians may be kinda annoying in their vascillating (flip flop opinions) and lack of commitments when it's time to make a decision....
But they at least understand concepts of loyalty.

What you just wrote is a disgusting, racist, xenophobic, stereotype-laden rant.

Shame on you.

 

[Chrysostomos]

Ummmmm
No you have not. That's a lie. There are many direct links in history. It's a fundamental part of the playbook.

You just mixed up Netflix with actual history.

 

[Chrysostomos]

Speak for yourself. You are lying about me. Shall I report you for not abiding by community rules?

Let’s make it crystal-clear so even you can’t dodge it:

I simply asked:
“How much does it cost in your city to have a child — first doctor visit, tests, ultrasounds, delivery, hospital stay, everything?”

Instead of answering, you accused me of being “worldly” and “serving mammon.”

Scripture says:
“But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.” (1 Tim 5:8)

So pick one:

1. You do plan, calculate, and provide for your family (including the real cost of children) → then you’re a hypocrite for preaching here that such questions are “mammon-worship.”
2. You don’t plan or provide → then you’re exactly the one who has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

There is no third option.

 

[Chrysostomos]

More LIES.

You didn't say a single word on the actual topic.
Everything you wrote is pure off-topic noise and personal attacks.

 

[Chrysostomos]

It was not by anyone's "authority"....it was due to the love of God shed abroad in their hearts via the Holy Spirit. They went from "house to house" when they gathered to meet with the Lord, so doesn't sound as though they were living in a commune.

Acts 2:44 & 4:32–35:
“All the believers were together and had everything in common… There was no needy person among them.”

They sold properties, laid the money at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed according to need.
That is exactly a commune.

The identical model to the classic kibbutzim that still exist in Israel today: collective ownership, common purse, distribution according to need, often with communal child-rearing.

The love poured out by the Holy Spirit doesn’t change the fact: they lived as a commune.
Scripture says they “had all things common,” not “just shared occasionally.”

 

[ScottA]

You are the last person on earth I would ever discuss the Bible with.

You openly use Scripture to justify capitalism: usury, greed, selfishness, and social inequality.
Then, the moment I ask you a simple factual question — “How much does it cost to have a baby from the first doctor visit to discharge?” — you instantly accuse me of serving mammon.

When I say, strictly Sola Scriptura, that the word “profit” is never once praised in the Bible and is condemned on every page, you rip out the parable of the talents and scream: “See! Profit is praised!”

That’s not just hypocrisy — that’s clinical schizophrenia.

On one hand you condemn “serving mammon.”
On the other hand you defend the system that is organized, systemic worship of mammon — where 1 % takes everything and the other 99 % are sacrificed to the golden calf.

You are missing the whole point of what I have been saying, of the parable, and the scriptures.

I am trying to help you--help you to see that.

The point is, this whole thread is about mammon and the cares of this world. That is fine, talk about anything you want. But you are struggling with it, ranting and raving about it as being unjust, and saying there is a better way--even then using the scriptures to support your agenda. All of which you did first before I said anything.

My point was to offer you a look at the bigger picture, to present the proper "seek first the kingdom of God" approach, and allow Him to add those worldly things to you--that is the rightful biblical approach in it's proper order--and you have been looking at it all backwards.

In the overall biblical model and literally the reason God has created this world, there is actually a God-caused purpose for the struggle that you are experiencing. And people conforming to the best model of how to make things fair, is not the answer. In fact, not only is that missing God's point and purpose for causing things to be as they are, but you are actively working against His agenda.

In God's agenda the cream is suppose to rise to the top--it has purpose--His purpose. And looking at the results and pointing to the splinter in the eyes of other people--is it's own parable. Take a lesson. You are looking at everything all wrong. We are suppose to pray for our leaders, whether kings, or presidents, or priests. They are where they are doing what they are doing--whether for good or for evil--because God is using them and what they are doing. Relax. What's the worst that could happen--you and your whole family die? You're all going to die anyway.

Meanwhile, you can kick against the goads or go with the flow and trust that God is working all things together for good for those who love Him according to [His] purpose. His purpose. Including tribulations, confusion, etc. But does that mean you should not try to do what is right for your life in this world? Of course not. But it absolutely does not mean you take it upon yourself to campaign for a worldly-based solution to manufacture a man made remedy and agenda for how to make life a little less stressful and a little more comfortable. Absolutely not!

So--take another look at things (from God's perspective and agenda)--or don't and see where that gets you. In either case, I have said enough for you to come around to looking at things differently. If you want to discuss things further, begin as if you have no idea what God has actually been up to. Instead of making claims and assertions, ask questions. Otherwise, don't expect me to respond.

 

[ScottA]

Let’s make it crystal-clear so even you can’t dodge it:

I simply asked:
“How much does it cost in your city to have a child — first doctor visit, tests, ultrasounds, delivery, hospital stay, everything?”

Instead of answering, you accused me of being “worldly” and “serving mammon.”

Scripture says:
“But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.” (1 Tim 5:8)

So pick one:

1. You do plan, calculate, and provide for your family (including the real cost of children) → then you’re a hypocrite for preaching here that such questions are “mammon-worship.”
2. You don’t plan or provide → then you’re exactly the one who has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

There is no third option.

Did even Jesus answer questions just as they were presented?

No.

Nor did I. What I did however, was very much like what He often did--I answered giving the real answer instead of the one you were expecting.

Your question was not the point, not the real issue. And after doing you one better, after offering you more and giving you a better explanation--you simple rejected it.

So here we are.

 

[ScottA]

You didn't say a single word on the actual topic.
Everything you wrote is pure off-topic noise and personal attacks.

It was not I who was speaking with you. Take your grievances up with Him.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The US fertility rate is about 1.6 children per woman (CDC 2023 provisional: 1.62; 2024 estimate: 1.59), well below replacement level (2.1).

If you refuse to have more children yourselves, and refuse to accept migrants, then where exactly do you plan to get the next generation of Americans from?

Right now Ukraine is a goldmine for “new citizens” — and Europeans are eagerly cashing in. Ukrainians are white, highly educated, culturally and religiously close to Europeans (many are Catholic or Protestant, just like you). We’re Slavs, the same as Poles, Czechs, Slovaks — basically indigenous Europeans.

I don’t know if you hate Ukrainians specifically, but who else will be living in the US in 100 years?
Your borders might be “closed,” but empty cradles don’t care about walls.

I guess you didn't read my first post?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

When capitalism falls, the first phase will be pure chaos.

By the way, have you seen the film Leave the World Behind?

It’s executive-produced by Barack and Michelle Obama through their Higher Ground company.
Director Sam Esmail said Obama himself contributed to the script, drawing from his real-life experience as president to make the large-scale crisis scenario feel authentic.

Capitalism and everything else fails during the Great Ttibulation.

Obama produced this movie for a reason. To prepare us for what will soon happen. Of course Trump somewhat thwarted their plan in 2016 and again last year. What plan? The 2030 WEF Globalist Plan to transform the world into a ONE WORLD Socialist Government. You see, the GLOBALIST Elites, formerly the Bilderbergs and Rothschilds, and more recently WEF chairman, Klaus Schwab, had this New World Order/ One World Government planned for decades. Back in 1999, Walter Chronchite gave a 15 minute speech to the Council on Foreign Relations stating that for peace, harmony and poverty to be solved, this NWO must take place; and that the USA would be the most difficult to convince, that it would be a hard pill to swallow; but that all nations would have to relinquish their sovereignty and join this socialist NWO.
Redistribution of wealth was on the list. But to destroy the USA was something that had to done internally; create division, racism, indoctrinate marxjst ideologies in schools and finally open all borders. If there are no borders, there are no countries.
So Obama set out to create this division of racism and erased lots of progress that we've gained since the 60's. Redistribution of wealth was on the top of the list ( they had to pay their fair share ... so let's tax them to the hilt). He wanted to destroy the middle class too. He come up with ant- capitalist slogans like: " You didn't build that'! Attacking the backbone if America- small businesses ( as they seriously did during Covid shutdown too). Backed by Soros, they manipulated every racial crime. Soros would hire trouble makers to go to towns like Ferguson, Baltimore, Seattle, Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, etc., and wreck havoc, protest, riot. "Occupy Wall Street", "Black Lives Matter", "ANTIFA", all paid for to cause division. But that wasn't enough. Trump came along and interrupted their plan in 2016 when Hillary was supposed to win. He knew what the world leaders wanted, heck 200 nations all signed in on the Global Warming/ Climate Change Doctrine ( which was a disguise for Global Governance). Way back in the 90's it was called the Kyoto Agreement.
So with this Utopian model, they really think they can solve world hunger, create world peace ... but all at a cost. Your freedoms disappear. They want to do their Great Reset and that requires them to totally collapse the financial system ( their finally ace in the hole). They collapse it temporarily, blame it on some rogue hackers and then come up with a solution - after everyone has lost everything, is broken, broke and hunger. Whatever you had in the bank is gone, life savings, 401Ks, homes foreclosed because no one could work to pay for the mortgages. No electricity, no one works expect thise who live off the land in the wilderness as they once did. These folks will do well. Well the Elites come forward with a solution to Reset everything, forgive all debts, but you must relinquish all property. No one will own anything and they say you'll be happy. If everyone has the same, ( nothing) no need to steal from the next guy, so they think this might eliminate the motivation to commit crime. No rich, no poor. No need to war against another nation; and since nations will give up their sovereign, there won't be any, just regions. No need for wars ... they think. Nope, that is unrealistic.
This is their ideology, they think man can create Utopia. IT WON'T WORK. WHY?
SIN. Man is sinful and evil always follows. So all you'll have are the ultra rich Elites on top and us stupid slaves on the bottom taking orders from them.
They are the stupid ones. What a bone head idea. This is why the Lord must soon intervene.
But back to this movie. Obama said this could happen - to plant that seed. Likely Trump has put another wrench in their works but unfortunately this One World Government is prophesied. But it will only last 3.5 years. When? Likely before 2030.