Trump has abandoned America First

[ProDeo]

Europes government isn't that naive.

Indeed, that's why they want peace on their continent.

No. But you're entitled to think so.

Supposedly, you being in the Netherlands,you don't live here.
911 was a conspiracy and inside job. As for ignorance being strength,

I was in agreement with you for about ½ year after the New York Times with their biggest font posted BUSH KNEW on the front page. After a while I came back to my senses, it's just nonsense. Americans don't do that, you can say a lot of dirty American politics as self declared world leader and the habit to stick their noses that are none of their business, keeping your hands clean as POTUS is nearly impossible. No inside 9/11 job. Remember the (illegal) Iraqi war of 2003, it would have been so easy to plant some WMD somewhere in Iraq and call eureka. America did not, they took the shame, one hurray, as two is too much.

 

[Riven]

Europe doesn't know what it wants other than for Ukraine to win the war. But that ship has sailed. Macron can talk about sending French troops into Ukraine, but he'll never do it. I think these European leaders are acting tough, but they're all secretly terrified of Trump's desire for the US to leave NATO. Or even just scaling back US security guarantees in Europe by removing troops.

But that's going to happen regardless of what Europe does. The US isn't interested in Europe anymore. It's far more interested in pivoting to East Asia to counter the rise of China, which it sees as the true threat to it's power. Russia is not a threat to the United States economically or militarily. The US is annoyed when Germany decides to buy it's gas from Russia, but it makes sense for the Germans to do that. Things like that about annoy Trump. But they're just annoyances.

 

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Indeed, that's why they want peace on their continent.



I was in agreement with you for about ½ year after the New York Times with their biggest font posted BUSH KNEW on the front page. After a while I came back to my senses, it's just nonsense. Americans don't do that, you can say a lot of dirty American politics as self declared world leader and the habit to stick their noses that are none of their business, keeping your hands clean as POTUS is nearly impossible. No inside 9/11 job. Remember the (illegal) Iraqi war of 2003, it would have been so easy to plant some WMD somewhere in Iraq and call eureka. America did not, they took the shame, one hurray, as two is too much.

I believe also that this attack was known in advance, allowed to happen, and helped by domestic actors, including our government.

Incontraverible facts . . . "squib" explosions as the towers fell revealing pre-set explosives to make sure the buildings came down. Why? 2 reasons. The Bush's wanted Iraqi oil. And the owner of the twin towers wanted the insurance payout (policy purchased 2 weeks before the attack), and wanted to avoid the millions of dollars cost to either remove the buildings or to abate the asbestos that was used in their construction.

Another fact . . . the pentagon had a round hole in the side, with neither damage from the wings of an airplane, nor debris from wings in the wreckage. Video of the hit shows a missle, not a plane hitting the building. There was a noticeable absence of airplane debris throughout.

Another fact . . . Building 7 of the world trade center was slightly damaged on one end of the building, yet it experienced a "center outward" explosive demolition, something that would not occur from the damage the building had sustained, but is exactly what would happen if it was done deliberately.

Another fact . . . the massive fireballs that burst from the opposite side of the buildings after the planes hit was the jet fuel. The reason that there was a molten mass of steel at the bottom of the wreckage is only explainable by the use of high exposives.

There is more, but for me even this is enough.

Much love!

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Indeed, that's why they want peace on their continent.

I don't think you understood me. No conditions,is naive.

I was in agreement with you for about ½ year after the New York Times with their biggest font posted BUSH KNEW on the front page. After a while I came back to my senses, it's just nonsense.

Someone in his administration admitted under oath they knew it was coming.
It had been tried before. A test. Explosives in the towers parking garage years before.

On 911,all flights were grounded after the attacks. The only private jet leaving our airspace that day was out of NY's airport.The private family plane of Bin Ladden.


Americans aren't like that?
You're wrong. Civilians are t,typically. Governors,is a different matter.

Americans don't do that, you can say a lot of dirty American politics as self declared world leader and the habit to stick their noses that are none of their business, keeping your hands clean as POTUS is nearly impossible. No inside 9/11 job. Remember the (illegal) Iraqi war of 2003, it would have been so easy to plant some WMD somewhere in Iraq and call eureka. America did not, they took the shame, one hurray, as two is too much.

The WMD lie was an American that "did that". Bush 43. Revenge on Saddam for trying to kill Daddy when he was president 41.

 

[Triumph1300]

Things like that about annoy Trump. But they're just annoyances.

It's time for the US to stop playing policeman in the world.
Countless governments have been removed by the US to be replaced.
Next on the list is the oil rich country in South America.
Every time they changed governments and go in military they leave a mess to be cleaned up by others.

Right now the US is making a mess in Europe by throwing Nato and Ukraine under the bus while supporting Putin.
And with Trump you have no idea what he does next.
No stability and making enemies out of friends.
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In the mean time in the US:
Rising prices for food, housing and healthcare are piling pressure on low-income Americans and creating a major political problem for the president.

As living costs escalate, Democrats are seeking to capitalise on a wave of frustration with the Trump administration and cracks are emerging in the president’s Maga movement.
What a mess.

And the evangelical prosperity churches are supporting all of this.

 

[Triumph1300]

While peace “talks” take place in luxury hotels, Kyiv is suffering some of the worst bombardment of the war: missiles ripping apart apartment buildings, power stations failing, children screaming for help from burning floors.

Zelenskiy, weakened by scandal and battlefield losses, says that the “sensitive points” of the peace plan will be discussed “directly with President Trump,” which is the geopolitical equivalent of saying, “I will now consult the fox on how best to secure the henhouse.”

There will be no peace.
And there is no peace in Gaza.
There will be no peace as long as the White House is occupied by Trump and his crew.

 

[ProDeo]

Europe doesn't know what it wants other than for Ukraine to win the war. But that ship has sailed. Macron can talk about sending French troops into Ukraine, but he'll never do it. I think these European leaders are acting tough, but they're all secretly terrified of Trump's desire for the US to leave NATO. Or even just scaling back US security guarantees in Europe by removing troops.

But that's going to happen regardless of what Europe does. The US isn't interested in Europe anymore. It's far more interested in pivoting to East Asia to counter the rise of China, which it sees as the true threat to it's power. Russia is not a threat to the United States economically or militarily. The US is annoyed when Germany decides to buy it's gas from Russia, but it makes sense for the Germans to do that. Things like that about annoy Trump. But they're just annoyances.

100% correct.

 

[ProDeo]

I believe also that this attack was known in advance, allowed to happen, and helped by domestic actors, including our government.

Incontraverible facts . . . "squib" explosions as the towers fell revealing pre-set explosives to make sure the buildings came down. Why? 2 reasons. The Bush's wanted Iraqi oil. And the owner of the twin towers wanted the insurance payout (policy purchased 2 weeks before the attack), and wanted to avoid the millions of dollars cost to either remove the buildings or to abate the asbestos that was used in their construction.

Another fact . . . the pentagon had a round hole in the side, with neither damage from the wings of an airplane, nor debris from wings in the wreckage. Video of the hit shows a missle, not a plane hitting the building. There was a noticeable absence of airplane debris throughout.

Another fact . . . Building 7 of the world trade center was slightly damaged on one end of the building, yet it experienced a "center outward" explosive demolition, something that would not occur from the damage the building had sustained, but is exactly what would happen if it was done deliberately.

Another fact . . . the massive fireballs that burst from the opposite side of the buildings after the planes hit was the jet fuel. The reason that there was a molten mass of steel at the bottom of the wreckage is only explainable by the use of high exposives.

There is more, but for me even this is enough.

Much love!

I know all of them, well I am overreacting a bit.

Ever visited anti-conspiracy-9/11 websites, those who give answers, rebuke the fakes stories ?

I did my part, I am not overreacting now.

And if there was a conspiracy, I saw 2000 people murdered live on my television, why are those involved (mass murderers) not behind bars ?

A conspiracy works when few people know the truth, 9/11 does not qualify for that, too many would have known.

 

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Ever visited anti-conspiracy-9/11 websites, those who give answers, rebuke the fakes stories ?

Have you read the engineering reports that show building engineers do not believe the towers fell because of the planes?

At the end of the day, the top fell canted off center, but with nothing to resist it's fall. The building did not pancake, if it had, the top would have tumbled to the side, not crushed each floor with precision. I saw this myself, it made no sense.

And I didn't understand what the squib explosions were at the time, but saw them during the collapse, evenly places, timed explosions. That's how you do an explosive demolition. It's part of what insures the building collapses into it's footprint. It takes very careful engineering to accomplish that.

Building 7 would not have collapsed because of damage to one edge of the structure. There were no wings on whatever hit the pentagon.

These are all things I myself observed.

Oh, and the videos with the squibs, I've not been able to find those since shortly after the towers fell. Like someone didn't want them seen.

Much love!

 

[ProverbsInPink]

I know all of them, well I am overreacting a bit.

Ever visited anti-conspiracy-9/11 websites, those who give answers, rebuke the fakes stories ?

I did my part, I am not overreacting now.

And if there was a conspiracy, I saw 2000 people murdered live on my television, why are those involved (mass murderers) not behind bars ?

A conspiracy works when few people know the truth, 9/11 does not qualify for that, too many would have known.

You're buying into a conspiracy theory of a different sort and just don't know it.

If you're in the Netherlands you really don't know what you are talking about.

Some of us know people in government offices. Those people know things. And,they talk.
No,they're not supporting to. However,as in the case of 911,when thousands of people are murdered in our homeland, and those people in certain offices know things about that,they talk to those they trust.

It's a pressure release valve of sorts. Because thousands of lives, choruses of screams, don't go away.

So,you stick with your conspiracy theory. While we who know owe you nothing.

We owe our fellow citizens who jumped to their deaths rather than burn alive.
We owe it to those who ran into the towers that were indestructible,thinking they could save lives.
They didn't know about the demo sets . But they learned when they heard them go off.

And those I know across the water in Jersey,filming horror they never imagined could happen captured for all time the towers collapsing on their enormous footprint. Just after those,booms.

Believe what you as a foreigner need to believe. Don't look to GB and their terror attack history shortly after ours.

The truth is eternal.And if there is a Hell, I pray those,both foreign and domestic find themselves there.
Because they earned it.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Have you read the engineering reports that show building engineers do not believe the towers fell because of the planes?

At the end of the day, the top fell canted off center, but with nothing to resist it's fall. The building did not pancake, if it had, the top would have tumbled to the side, not crushed each floor with precision. I saw this myself, it made no sense.

And I didn't understand what the squib explosions were at the time, but saw them during the collapse, evenly places, timed explosions. That's how you do an explosive demolition. It's part of what insures the building collapses into it's footprint. It takes very careful engineering to accomplish that.

Building 7 would not have collapsed because of damage to one edge of the structure. There were no wings on whatever hit the pentagon.

These are all things I myself observed.

Oh, and the videos with the squibs, I've not been able to find those since shortly after the towers fell. Like someone didn't want them seen.

Much love!

They're supposedly in the Netherlands.
They don't know that our government has conspiracy theory websites on the Net. All to mislead the gullible fearful public.

But what they also have are those permitted to publish the truth that counters the fabricated theories.

They're both a social experiment test to gauge the emotional and mental intellect of Americans. And those abroad,because there are sites we run to test foreign allies citizens too.

Black helicopters are said to be a CT.
But not when you've seen them land at a private airfield near your house. ; )

 

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They're supposedly in the Netherlands.
They don't know that our government has conspiracy theory websites on the Net. All to mislead the gullible fearful public.

But what they also have are those permitted to publish the truth that counters the fabricated theories.

They're both a social experiment test to gauge the emotional and mental intellect of Americans. And those abroad,because there are sites we run to test foreign allies citizens too.

Black helicopters are said to be a CT.
But not when you've seen them land at a private airfield near your house. ; )

And chemtrails used to be conspiracy theory, now they are accepted fact. And there are so many more like that.

Much love!

 

[Riven]

I think these 9/11 conspiracy theories are ultimately a distraction from what we're dealing with now. The wars in both Ukraine and Gaza are devastating. This coming war with Venezuela is going to cost Trump his presidency should he give the military the green light.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

I think these 9/11 conspiracy theories are ultimately a distraction from what we're dealing with now. The wars in both Ukraine and Gaza are devastating. This coming war with Venezuela is going to cost Trump his presidency should he give the military the green light.

Leftists keep dreaming.

 

[Riven]

Leftists keep dreaming.

MAGA will not be okay with another quagmire like Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

MAGA will not be okay with another quagmire like Iraq and Afghanistan.

You can't actually know that.

 

[Riven]

You can't actually know that.

What's the alternative? Support for an invasion and occupation of Venezuela? How will people convince themselves that this is a good idea when Trump campaigned on ending wars?

 

[ProverbsInPink]

What's the alternative? Support for an invasion and occupation of Venezuela? How will people convince themselves that this is a good idea when Trump campaigned on ending wars?

We'll have to see.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

They're supposedly in the Netherlands.
They don't know that our government has conspiracy theory websites on the Net. All to mislead the gullible fearful public.

But what they also have are those permitted to publish the truth that counters the fabricated theories.

They're both a social experiment test to gauge the emotional and mental intellect of Americans. And those abroad,because there are sites we run to test foreign allies citizens too.

Black helicopters are said to be a CT.
But not when you've seen them land at a private airfield near your house. ; )

 

[ProDeo]

Have you read the engineering reports that show building engineers do not believe the towers fell because of the planes?

At the end of the day, the top fell canted off center, but with nothing to resist it's fall. The building did not pancake, if it had, the top would have tumbled to the side, not crushed each floor with precision. I saw this myself, it made no sense.

And I didn't understand what the squib explosions were at the time, but saw them during the collapse, evenly places, timed explosions. That's how you do an explosive demolition. It's part of what insures the building collapses into it's footprint. It takes very careful engineering to accomplish that.

Building 7 would not have collapsed because of damage to one edge of the structure. There were no wings on whatever hit the pentagon.

These are all things I myself observed.

Oh, and the videos with the squibs, I've not been able to find those since shortly after the towers fell. Like someone didn't want them seen.

Much love!

If you believe all that, then US is no better than Saddam gassing thousands of his own people in Halabja 1988.

Right ?