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This right here is going to shape debates for YEARS to come.
Only a few years, or less, left before Trump(or other) converts to Islam, which could take place behind closed doors so no one knows.

Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done. He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things. Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for gain.
 
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I would think stoning is worse

When doing a search I found, that stoning is reserved for married adulterers based on Hadith, while beheading is not a standard punishment for a specific crime in Islamic law but has been used historically in warfare or as a form of capital punishment in certain contexts
 

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Or at least a good sharp knife or sword. I agree it is a merciful way to die, but kind of messy.
Don't worry about the "mess" = the Birds need to EAT

When the LORD Returns with His holy angels of Glory, They are going to be Messing up the habibs of many muslims and satanists.

Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven,
“Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great.”

And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse.
And all the birds were filled with their flesh.
 
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It's been a long time since I looked into who is using Sharia concerning this so I asked my friend Grok about who is beheading these days.

In Islam, the punishment of beheading (known as "qatl bi al-sayf" or execution by sword) is prescribed in classical Islamic law (Sharia) only for a very limited set of grave crimes classified as ḥudūd (fixed punishments ordained by God in the Quran) or qiṣāṣ (retaliatory punishment). These punishments are almost never carried out in most Muslim-majority countries today, but they remain on the books in a handful of states that apply strict interpretations of classical fiqh (e.g., Saudi Arabia, Iran under certain circumstances, and formerly the Taliban or ISIS).

The offenses for which classical Islamic jurisprudence explicitly allows or requires death by beheading are:

  1. Intentional murder (qiṣāṣ) Quran 2:178 and 5:45 allow the family of a murder victim to demand execution of the killer (“a life for a life”). In the four major Sunni schools and in Shia law, the default method of execution for qiṣāṣ murder cases is beheading with a sword (unless the victim’s family requests a different method or forgives the killer).
  2. Ḥirāba (brigandage, highway robbery, or terrorism that involves killing) Quran 5:33 prescribes for “those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to spread corruption in the land” one of four punishments: execution, crucifixion, amputation of opposite hand and foot, or exile. When execution is chosen, classical jurists (Hanbali, Maliki, Shafi’i, and many Hanafis) specify beheading as the method.
  3. Adultery by a married person (zinā al-muḥṣan) The punishment of stoning to death (rajm) is applied in classical law for married adulterers based on hadith, not the Quran directly (the Quran prescribes flogging). However, some modern strict regimes and historical practice sometimes substituted or conflated beheading for stoning in certain zinā cases, though stoning is the majority classical ruling.
  4. Apostasy (ridda) combined with rebellion or treason Pure apostasy (leaving Islam) carries the death penalty in classical rulings of all four Sunni schools and in Ja’fari Shia law, but many scholars historically required a waiting period and did not always enforce it. When the death penalty is applied, beheading is the usual method. (Note: a large number of modern Muslim countries and scholars reject the death penalty for simple apostasy.)
  5. Blasphemy against the Prophet Muhammad (sabb al-rasūl) In Hanbali, Maliki, and Shafi’i schools (and some Hanafis), insulting the Prophet is a capital offense punishable by beheading, even for non-Muslims in some interpretations.
Countries or groups that have carried out beheadings in recent decades citing Islamic law:

  • Saudi Arabia (for murder, terrorism/ḥirāba, large-scale drug trafficking, and sometimes sorcery/adultery)
  • Iran (occasionally, though hanging is now more common)
  • Islamic State (ISIS) and al-Qaeda affiliates (frequently, for apostasy, blasphemy, homosexuality, sorcery, etc.)
  • Taliban (both in the 1990s and again after 2021, though firing squads are also used)
In almost all other Muslim-majority countries (Indonesia, Turkey, Egypt, Morocco, Pakistan, Malaysia, etc.), beheading is not practiced and capital punishment, when it exists, is carried out by hanging or firing squad.

So, under the strictest interpretations of classical Islamic law actually enforced in a few places today, you can have your head cut off for intentional murder, terrorist acts that involve killing, certain cases of adultery, apostasy combined with hostility, or blaspheming the Prophet. In practice, only Saudi Arabia routinely uses beheads people for these offenses in the 21st century.
 
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It's been a long time since I looked into who is using Sharia concerning this so I asked my friend Grok about who is beheading these days.

In Islam, the punishment of beheading (known as "qatl bi al-sayf" or execution by sword) is prescribed in classical Islamic law (Sharia) only for a very limited set of grave crimes classified as ḥudūd (fixed punishments ordained by God in the Quran) or qiṣāṣ (retaliatory punishment). These punishments are almost never carried out in most Muslim-majority countries today, but they remain on the books in a handful of states that apply strict interpretations of classical fiqh (e.g., Saudi Arabia, Iran under certain circumstances, and formerly the Taliban or ISIS).

The offenses for which classical Islamic jurisprudence explicitly allows or requires death by beheading are:

  1. Intentional murder (qiṣāṣ) Quran 2:178 and 5:45 allow the family of a murder victim to demand execution of the killer (“a life for a life”). In the four major Sunni schools and in Shia law, the default method of execution for qiṣāṣ murder cases is beheading with a sword (unless the victim’s family requests a different method or forgives the killer).
  2. Ḥirāba (brigandage, highway robbery, or terrorism that involves killing) Quran 5:33 prescribes for “those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to spread corruption in the land” one of four punishments: execution, crucifixion, amputation of opposite hand and foot, or exile. When execution is chosen, classical jurists (Hanbali, Maliki, Shafi’i, and many Hanafis) specify beheading as the method.
  3. Adultery by a married person (zinā al-muḥṣan) The punishment of stoning to death (rajm) is applied in classical law for married adulterers based on hadith, not the Quran directly (the Quran prescribes flogging). However, some modern strict regimes and historical practice sometimes substituted or conflated beheading for stoning in certain zinā cases, though stoning is the majority classical ruling.
  4. Apostasy (ridda) combined with rebellion or treason Pure apostasy (leaving Islam) carries the death penalty in classical rulings of all four Sunni schools and in Ja’fari Shia law, but many scholars historically required a waiting period and did not always enforce it. When the death penalty is applied, beheading is the usual method. (Note: a large number of modern Muslim countries and scholars reject the death penalty for simple apostasy.)
  5. Blasphemy against the Prophet Muhammad (sabb al-rasūl) In Hanbali, Maliki, and Shafi’i schools (and some Hanafis), insulting the Prophet is a capital offense punishable by beheading, even for non-Muslims in some interpretations.
Countries or groups that have carried out beheadings in recent decades citing Islamic law:

  • Saudi Arabia (for murder, terrorism/ḥirāba, large-scale drug trafficking, and sometimes sorcery/adultery)
  • Iran (occasionally, though hanging is now more common)
  • Islamic State (ISIS) and al-Qaeda affiliates (frequently, for apostasy, blasphemy, homosexuality, sorcery, etc.)
  • Taliban (both in the 1990s and again after 2021, though firing squads are also used)
In almost all other Muslim-majority countries (Indonesia, Turkey, Egypt, Morocco, Pakistan, Malaysia, etc.), beheading is not practiced and capital punishment, when it exists, is carried out by hanging or firing squad.

So, under the strictest interpretations of classical Islamic law actually enforced in a few places today, you can have your head cut off for intentional murder, terrorist acts that involve killing, certain cases of adultery, apostasy combined with hostility, or blaspheming the Prophet. In practice, only Saudi Arabia routinely uses beheads people for these offenses in the 21st century.
Your friend is misinformed on the thousands of murders the Muslims are committing each year.

The Holy Scriptures warned us this was coming = it is called "The day of Jacob's Trouble"
 

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Your friend is misinformed on the thousands of murders the Muslims are committing each year.

The Holy Scriptures warned us this was coming = it is called "The day of Jacob's Trouble"
I'm sorry, I thought the thread was just talking about punishment for crimes. That's what I asked my friend about. Mohammad cut off the heads of anyone he didn't like.
 
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I'm sorry, I thought the thread was just talking about punishment for crimes. That's what I asked my friend about. Mohammad cut off the heads of anyone he didn't like.
Under sharia law/Islam, anyone who does not convert is worthy of death.
 
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Under sharia law/Islam, anyone who does not convert is worthy of death.
If you are of the book (Christian or Jewish) and will agree to live under Sharia and pay the annual tax, you can live among Islamic folks, and they are obligated to keep you safe. That is in Suni Sharia. You can find it in "Reliance of the Traviller" which is a certified English translation.
 
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Only a few years, or less, left before Trump(or other) converts to Islam, which could take place behind closed doors so no one knows.

Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done. He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things. Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for gain.
Many already follow the great religion of another I .
inclusivism . that is trumps religoin as it is the popes and even many within the false religoins as well as a lot of christendom .
Trump is not muslim , he is as george busch , obama and scores of o thers were and are .
They beleive something . A lie of course .
But why do you think you see so much int erfaith and int erfaith marriages .
They beleive we all do serve the same GOD .
So long as , of course we are of the inclusive one and not the one true biblical one .
No that GOD they have a p roblem with my friend .
I highly doubt we will see trump convert to islam but ra ther more in islam
as well as any other false reli goin , as well as even in christendom will continue
to convert to inclusivity and its god . That god will not be capitilized on my wat ch .
MANY are coming to that mindset my friend . And when i say many i mean VERY many .
 
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Under sharia law/Islam, anyone who does not convert is worthy of death.
This is very true my f riend .
And we have seen this pratice and not just in Islam
but in and during the great crusades ,
in and during the reformation peroid . Of which both sides enforced it by means of a govt .
Just wait till the climatic hour of great tribulation begins .
WE WILL SEE IT AGAIN my friend . CONVERT or you no buy you no sell , YOU DIE .
mark my words . This generation will see this .
Inclusiveshariacrudades law . just wait .
 
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Your friend is misinformed on the thousands of murders the Muslims are committing each year.

The Holy Scriptures warned us this was coming = it is called "The day of Jacob's Trouble"
Indeed murders sure are being comitted by such .
Just wait till one sees the blood that will come
from a religoin that cliamed all served the same god .
And it will come against all who did not bend the knee , did not conform to a harlots love .
And it will come in the name of what they all beleive is love and is for peace .
Just watch .
IF one thinks the islam sharia is a dangerous folk
JUST wait till one sees what will come out
of a religion that claimed to be the cure for all the worlds ills and sent to unify them all as one .
Inclusive ecumenical interfaith will soon step up its warnings
against all it counts as extreme . mark them words too .
And any guesses on who will be on that list .
Anything that does not go with the flow of the inclusive Ho .
Crusades are coming , YET again .
And they , the unified false religions with much of christendom will beleive they do GODS WILL
when true sheep are Put to death . ITs been before
but this will be its peak hour of great tribulation .
 

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If you are of the book (Christian or Jewish) and will agree to live under Sharia and pay the annual tax, you can live among Islamic folks, and they are obligated to keep you safe. That is in Suni Sharia. You can find it in "Reliance of the Traviller" which is a certified English translation.
Under sharia law you cannot preach the Gospel to muslims as it is a directly refutes Muhammad and Islam

Under Islam, christians and Jews are 'infidels' and unless they convert, they are worthy of death.

The LORD of Creation Says: "You will know them by their fruit/doings" = Islam is Evil

Are you a muslim?
 
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Under sharia law you cannot preach the Gospel.

Under Islam, infidels(christians and Jews) are worthy of death.

The LORD of Creation Says: "You will know them by their fruit/doings" = Islam is Evil

Are you a muslim?
No, I am a spirit filled, born again Christian who has visited with Muslims on the internet for a couple of decades. If you want to learn about Islam, join one of their chat boards and get a really good translation program for what they post in Arabic and what they post in English is radically different. Most of the chats have people who are very familiar with the different jurisprudences, and you can learn a lot.
I have certified copies of Sharia Law and two different versions of the Quran. Also have access to both Bukhari's and Shaih Muislim's hadith and bothered to read the important parts. Considering how Islam works kind of like the Catholic Church and doesn't really want people reading on their own but going to the Mosque to let an Imam tell them about things, I probably know more about Islam, and it's history than a lot of Muslims.

Jews and Christians lived peacefully with Muslims during the Ottoman Empire for many years, even in the land that is now Israel, because they lived under Sharia.

I do agree that Islam is Evil, and they have been plotting to rule the world with Sharia since the late 600s. They got really panicky when the Jewish State was formed and went nuts when they took over Jerusalem. They feel threatened and now are pushing out all over the world. And if we keep letting them come here, they will destroy Western Civilization here, as they are doing in Europe and especially Britton.
But if I needed to live among them without joining them until the Lord returns, I could easily do that.
 

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No, I am a spirit filled, born again Christian who has visited with Muslims on the internet for a couple of decades. If you want to learn about Islam, join one of their chat boards and get a really good translation program for what they post in Arabic and what they post in English is radically different. Most of the chats have people who are very familiar with the different jurisprudences, and you can learn a lot.
I have certified copies of Sharia Law and two different versions of the Quran. Also have access to both Bukhari's and Shaih Muislim's hadith.

Jews and Christians lived peacefully with Muslims during the Ottoman Empire for many years, even in the land that is now Israel, because they lived under Sharia.

I do agree that Islam is Evil, and they have been plotting to rule the world with Sharia since the late 600s. They got really panicky when the Jewish State was formed and went nuts when they took over Jerusalem. They feel threatened and now are pushing out all over the world. And if we keep letting them come here, they will destroy Western Civilization here, as they are doing in Europe and especially Britton.
But if I needed to live among them without joining them until the Lord returns, I could easily do that.
Thank you for sharing your love of Christ/Salvation for those under Islam.

Welcome Brother/Sister
 
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