Is God Magnanimous? - (as opposed to tyrannical)

[shepherdsword]

I know

I can't be

How can you claim to believe in something you admit is unknowable.

No

I'm not concerned about your trust. You made a false claim and defended it by calling it a mystery and I've called you out on it.

"I called you out" How presumptuous. I made a true biblical claim that has been validated with scripture.

I said this:
The Father is YHVH
The Son is YHVH
The Holy Spirit is YHVH
These three are one(ecad)
Now I am calling "you" out...prove any of those statement false.

 

[quietthinker]

Why can't we all just get along?

there are those on the train and those tied to the tracks

 

[Hiddenthings]

"I called you out" How presumptuous. I made a true biblical claim that has been validated with scripture.

I said this:
The Father is YHVH
The Son is YHVH
The Holy Spirit is YHVH
These three are one(ecad)
Now I am calling "you" out...prove any of those statement false.

You & I both know you cannot prove what is in red.

 

[MonoBiblical]

You & I both know you cannot prove what is in red.

It is interesting that spirits aren't individuals in bible speak, yet they are supposedly souls. The Holy Spirit not God, but is of God, like Jesus. Isn't that interesting? Even God's energy is not God. Spirits are not human beings either.

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Hiddenthings
Ever wonder why Jesus was not in the face of those who maligned him, after his resurrection?

Talking with you feels useless, you inevitably derail into train analogies that have no real relevance. Maybe one day you’ll stop imposing your own thinking and actually “let this mind be in you,” but for now it’s just slow trains and automobiles. Toot Toot!

 

[Hiddenthings]

The Holy Spirit not God, but is of God

How is it that you understand this while Shepherd does not? The difference lies in approach: one reads the Bible openly and sees these plain truths, while the other comes with preconceived notions, causing the truth to remain hidden from them. Now apply this reality across all the core Bible teachings and you get what?

 

[shepherdsword]

You & I both know you cannot prove what is in red.

The deity of Christ is can be proven all through scripture. I would cite the numerous passages that prove it but you would reject and wrest any evidence to conform to your paradigm. However, your statement shows me where you are at. You are a prisoner to a dangerous heresy. Jesus said unless you believe He is the "I AM" you will die in your sins. Lets start there:
There is no "he" in the greek:

 

[MonoBiblical]

How is it that you understand this while Shepherd does not? The difference lies in approach: one reads the Bible openly and sees these plain truths, while the other comes with preconceived notions, causing the truth to remain hidden from them. Now apply this reality across all the core Bible teachings and you get what?

Greek medical confusion is spilled into the English language. Spirit looks like mind and force; it is just organized force.

 

[Jack]

It is interesting that spirits aren't individuals in bible speak, yet they are supposedly souls. The Holy Spirit not God, but is of God, like Jesus. Isn't that interesting? Even God's energy is not God. Spirits are not human beings either.

From the CYB Statement of Faith: "We believe that God is the Creator, Sustainer, and Ruler of the universe. We attest that God has eternally existed in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three are co-equal and are one God. (Genesis 1:1, 26-27, Genesis 3:22, Deuteronomy 6:4, Psalm 90:2, John 1:1, John 10:30, Romans 3:30, II Corinthians 13:14, I Peter 1:2)"

 

[Jack]

The deity of Christ is can be proven all through scripture. I would cite the numerous passages that prove it but you would reject and wrest any evidence to conform to your paradigm. However, your statement shows me where you are at. You are a prisoner to a dangerous heresy. Jesus said unless you believe He is the "I AM" you will die in your sins. Lets start there:
There is no "he" in the greek:

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Absolutely!

 

[MonoBiblical]

The deity of Christ is can be proven all through scripture. I would cite the numerous passages that prove it but you would reject and wrest any evidence to conform to your paradigm. However, your statement shows me where you are at. You are a prisoner to a dangerous heresy. Jesus said unless you believe He is the "I AM" you will die in your sins. Lets start there:
There is no "he" in the greek:

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You are confused. The deity of Christ is his father, and they are not the same. Say[ing] the cognates of I AM in Greek can any person's response to a question.

 

[shepherdsword]

How is it that you understand this while Shepherd does not? The difference lies in approach: one reads the Bible openly and sees these plain truths, while the other comes with preconceived notions, causing the truth to remain hidden from them. Now apply this reality across all the core Bible teachings and you get what?

First of all, I want to address this. I apologize for any offense or insult I may have posted. There is no need for us to insult one another. I repent. Please forgive me.

On to the issue:

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin. One can only blaspheme God. How is it that You and Mono fail to see this?

Let's look at acts where someone lied to the Holy Spirit and see what Peter says about it:

Ac 5:3-4
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

Here we see that lying to the Holy Spirit is the same as lying to God.

 

[Jack]

First of all, I want to address this. I apologize for any offense or insult I may have posted. There is no need for us to insult one another. I repent. Please forgive me.

On to the issue:

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin. One can only blaspheme God. How is it that You and Mono fail to see this?

Let's look at acts where someone lied to the Holy Spirit and see what Peter says about it:

Ac 5:3-4
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

Here we see that lying to the Holy Spirit is the same as lying to God.

Excellent!

 

[MonoBiblical]

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin. One can only blaspheme God. How is it that You and Mono fail to see this?

Slandering the work of God is an unforgivable sin. I used to think the Holy Spirit and the Father were one and the same. But my interpretation works better. The trinity is not the work of God. This is neither slander nor blasphemy.

 

[Jack]

Slandering the work of God is an unforgivable sin. I used to think the Holy Spirit and the Father were one and the same. But my interpretation works better. The trinity is not the work of God. This is neither slander nor blasphemy.

From the CYB Statement of Faith: "We believe that God is the Creator, Sustainer, and Ruler of the universe. We attest that God has eternally existed in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three are co-equal and are one God. (Genesis 1:1, 26-27, Genesis 3:22, Deuteronomy 6:4, Psalm 90:2, John 1:1, John 10:30, Romans 3:30, II Corinthians 13:14, I Peter 1:2)"

 

[shepherdsword]

You are confused. The deity of Christ is his father, and they are not the same. Say the cognates of I AM in Greek can any person's response to a question.

Please don't pretend that you understand Greek better than the numerous trinitarian master Greek scholars who all defend the deity of Christ with unbridled fervency.

Lets look:
John 8 is one of the most explicitly divine self-claims of Jesus:

John 8:24 — “Unless you believe that I AM…”​

John 8:28 — “…then you will know that I AM.”​

John 8:58 — “…before Abraham was, I AM.”​

This last one (8:58) leaves no doubt because:

• Jesus uses ἐγώ εἰμι in the timeless sense.
• The Jews try to stone Him for blasphemy, not for bad grammar.

If it meant only “I am he (the Messiah),” they would not attempt stoning.

AT Robertson:

 

[MonoBiblical]

Please don't pretend that you understand Greek better than the numerous trinitarian master Greek scholars who all defend the deity of Christ with unbridled fervency.

Lets look:
John 8 is one of the most explicitly divine self-claims of Jesus:

John 8:24 — “Unless you believe that I AM…”​

John 8:28 — “…then you will know that I AM.”​

John 8:58 — “…before Abraham was, I AM.”​

This last one (8:58) leaves no doubt because:

• Jesus uses ἐγώ εἰμι in the timeless sense.
• The Jews try to stone Him for blasphemy, not for bad grammar.

If it meant only “I am he (the Messiah),” they would not attempt stoning.

AT Robertson:
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I am one who is convinced you are confused. If you don't believe how I am, you won't understand [how] you are confused. Do you comprehend?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin. One can only blaspheme God. How is it that You and Mono fail to see this?

Let's look at acts where someone lied to the Holy Spirit and see what Peter says about it:

Ac 5:3-4
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

Here we see that lying to the Holy Spirit is the same as lying to God.

To overlook this deception would be to undermine God’s power and authority, here represented by the 'Holy Spirit' (John 6:63). The Holy Spirit functions as a discerner of the heart (Acts 1:24), examining our impulses and emotions in accordance with the divine Word (Hebrews 4:12). As Mono said its "of" God and is not a God.

If you cannot comprehend how God’s power and authority are manifested, you should study the topic further and pray for clarity in understanding. Nowhere in the cited passage does it state that the Holy Spirit is God; it only mentions that they lied to God.

The very place where the Spirit was intended to dwell became the same place where they allowed their hearts to be filled with desires of the flesh. There was no room for the divine will to grow in a heart fully given over to self-indulgence. It was as though Yahweh could not see into such a heart (Isa. 29:15).

Hope that helps

 

[shepherdsword]

Slandering the work of God is an unforgivable sin.

Please show a scripture for that. Here is what the scripture actually says:

Mt 12:31-32
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

I used to think the Holy Spirit and the Father were one and the same. But my interpretation works better. The trinity is not the work of God. This is neither slander nor blasphemy.

The Trinity is a true revelation of the Godhead.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Please show a scripture for that. Here is what the scripture actually says:

Mt 12:31-32
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


The Trinity is a true revelation of the Godhead.

Blasphemy means slander.