Is God Magnanimous? - (as opposed to tyrannical)

[quietthinker]

From pointing out your errors and stating them plainly, you've consistently played the victim card, and you will likely continue to do so as long as you cling to your fallacies.

Your fruits are evident to everyone here, Quiet. Don't try to be slippery about it, you know your foundation is built on sand when it comes to these topics.

You can play whatever card you like, but the facts remain clear: you and Steven hold to error because you do not truly know God or His Son.

Here are the reasons why your replies have deteriorated:

• You’re using a defense mechanism to avoid the discomfort of being proven wrong and to deflect from the real issues at hand.
• You’ve shifted the discussion into emotional manipulation so you can avoid your responsibility in this thread.
• You lack confidence in the Word of God, and so you cover it by deflecting from your own inadequacies.
• You’re appealing for sympathy, but none is coming.
• You lack the ability to support and defend your position because it’s built on falsehood.
• Are you acknowledging your own cognitive dissonance? I believe so...
• Your constant deflection is simply your way of avoiding the truth about God’s balanced character, His Goodness and His Severity.

All of these and possibly more are reasons why your contribution in this thread has deteriorated and until you change your approach I doubt you will recover.

You are out of balance with the Inspired Word and your contribution to this thread is also out of balance. Until you are able to speak directly and confidently to God's Severity - you will continue to misinterpret truth for projection.

More projections!

 

[Hiddenthings]

More projections!

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy for you, Quiet, a never-ending cycle of denial.

 

[MonoBiblical]

This is the embodiment of pure ignorance. It's actually pointless to even try correcting him, given the depth of his foolishness. The greatest death in this entire creation, before it even began was the planned death of His Son, foreshadowed by Abraham taking his son up the mountain, but ultimately fulfilled with the Father and Son who together conquered sin and death.

Here is the paradox dear readers!

Isaac being bound by His Father foreshadowed the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ; for although he was killed by "wicked hands," it was all part of "the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God" (Acts 2:23).

Two motives exercised in a single event.

Quiet & St. Stephen would attribute the actions of the "wicked hands" to a "righteous God" if they believed that God sacrificed His Son, but they do not, they cannot, grasp the full depth of spiritual significance in God raising His Son as a banner for all peoples to witness, the contrast between God's love and the wickedness of men is conflated by them because they know not God.

@Lizbeth @Wrangler @MonoBiblical – These two forum members have been promoting their universal salvation fallacies for quite some time, and one can’t help but wonder how and why they’ve been allowed such freedom. On the other hand, I find it equally disturbing when people believe that God will eternally torture the wicked while they themselves dwell in eternal bliss. They also know not God.

Is it salvation to put someone Hell temporarily?

Seriously.

 

[St. SteVen]

Is it salvation to put someone Hell temporarily?

Seriously.

I imagine they would get the message. Anything more than ten seconds would be sadistic cruelty. IMHO

 

[MonoBiblical]

I imagine they would get the message. Anything more than ten seconds would be sadistic cruelty. IMHO

10 seconds of hard labor is not enough usually.

 

[Jack]

I imagine they would get the message. Anything more than ten seconds would be sadistic cruelty. IMHO

And yet Jesus said it's FOREVER and EVER! And so, STV just called Jesus "sadistic"!

 

[Muna]

I don't believe God sends deceiving or lying spirits even though the scripture says he did.

1 Kings 22:21-23
Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’ “‘By what means?’ the Lord asked. “‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said. “‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’ “So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.”

However, I do believe that the voices men hear which they are persuaded are from God, has them writing stuff like this.
....further, through or in his deceptive processes, Satan has even managed to worm his influence into the scriptures. This is one of the reasons Jesus came to set the record straight.
When Jesus makes statements like, 'you have heard it said......but I say unto you.....' he is referring to the scriptures they were familiar with.
Jesus sets a totally new bench mark for understanding his Father.

I don't know how bringing in the vision on the mount and the "ye have heard it said's", but "I say unto you's" changes between those particular things where you can find very close comparisons

Using your example,

1 Kings 22:20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner,
and another said on that manner.

1 Kings 22:21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.

1 Kings 22:22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be (singular) a lying spirit in the mouth of
all his prophets (many/plural) And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

1 Kings 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit (singular) in the mouth of all these thy prophets (many/plural),
and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

A scenario similar to that, would be of one spirit (in many) such as in the case of antichrist shall come, and "even now are there many" antichrists (and or many deceivers) or a liar, of a lie.

A lie, or a lying Spirit, according to the father of it for example here also

2 Thes 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders

"Even him"(singular).... as mentioned "In them" (who are pural) which receive not a love of the truth

2 Thes 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness "in them" that perish; because they received not the love of the truth,
that they might be saved.

2 Thes 2:11 And for this cause God shall send "them" strong delusion G4106, that they should believe a lie

Same patern, a lying spirit pertains to their mouth of many prophets

1 Kings 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit (singular) in the mouth of all these thy prophets (many/plural),
and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

The strong delusion G4106 (in 2Thes 2:10) is same word in spirit of error G4106 (in 1 John 4:9) which is in contrast to the truth 1 John 4:9, 2 Thes 2:10) which is sent (even by God) that the same should believe a lie. (2Thes 2:11) because they received not a love of the truth.

Two different spirits

1 John 4:9 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. G4106

1 John really springboards off this one well

John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

If anything they confirm between them when you compare them

 

[amigo de christo]

I don't know how bringing in the vision on the mount and the "ye have heard it said's", but "I say unto you's" changes between those particular things where you can find very close comparisons

Using your example,

1 Kings 22:20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner,
and another said on that manner.

1 Kings 22:21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.

1 Kings 22:22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be (singular) a lying spirit in the mouth of
all his prophets (many/plural) And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

1 Kings 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit (singular) in the mouth of all these thy prophets (many/plural),
and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

A scenario similar to that, would be of one spirit (in many) such as in the case of antichrist shall come, and "even now are there many" antichrists (and or many deceivers) or a liar, of a lie.

A lie, or a lying Spirit, according to the father of it for example here also

2 Thes 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders

"Even him"(singular).... as mentioned "In them" (who are pural) which receive not a love of the truth

2 Thes 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness "in them" that perish; because they received not the love of the truth,
that they might be saved.

2 Thes 2:11 And for this cause God shall send "them" strong delusion G4106, that they should believe a lie

Same patern, a lying spirit pertains to their mouth of many prophets

1 Kings 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit (singular) in the mouth of all these thy prophets (many/plural),
and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

The strong delusion G4106 (in 2Thes 2:10) is same word in spirit of error G4106 (in 1 John 4:9) which is in contrast to the truth 1 John 4:9, 2 Thes 2:10) which is sent (even by God) that the same should believe a lie. (2Thes 2:11) because they received not a love of the truth.

Two different spirits

1 John 4:9 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. G4106

1 John really springboards off this one well

John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

If anything they confirm between them when you compare them

Aint that something my dear friend .
And yet it seems so very few can see this is occuring RIGHT NOW within much of christendom and the worlds religoins .
I see lots of false prophets , whether in wool or not
ALL prophesying , OH GOD has this plan for WORLD PEACE
go to and let us preach ecumeincal interfaith , AND SAY all RELGIOINS are okay
LET US GO up for we shall have the victory , we shall have the peace n saf ety .
BUT LIKE AHAB they have no idea ITS A DELUSION and it will be FOR THEIR OWN destruction on the Great
and MIGHTY DAY of GOD ALL MIG HTY and THE LAMB , whom THEY ALL DENIED . thanks for all this lovely
scriptures my friend . A str ong delusion . YOU BET .
truly , i dont care what anyone says about ya , You know i loves ya . N OW hit the trenches we have us a gospel to defend .

 

[quietthinker]

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy for you, Quiet, a never-ending cycle of denial

Projections, projections, projections......with no ability to discern the pattern.

 

[Wrangler]

This is the embodiment of pure ignorance. It's actually pointless to even try correcting him, given the depth of his foolishness.

Agreed. I doubt they believe what they claim.

@Lizbeth @Wrangler @MonoBiblical – These two forum members have been promoting their universal salvation fallacies for quite some time, and one can’t help but wonder how and why they’ve been allowed such freedom. On the other hand, I find it equally disturbing when people believe that God will eternally torture the wicked while they themselves dwell in eternal bliss. They also know not God.

How and why is because of something I support; freedom. Freedom of religion and speech.

In the arena of ideas, bad ideas must be displaced by better ideas. This, through open discussion, debate, experiment, evidence and reason.

One tactic of the Adversary is to put forth ideas that are made to seem better than YHWH’s Creative design for the world. Universal salvation once appealed to me.

It was only after I embraced humility enough to trust God’s word and plan more than my own judgment that I realized Satan’s pathway of seduction, temptation and pride at play with these false doctrines.

 

[Wrangler]

It's a willing ignorance on a level I rarely see in forum discussions.

The willful ignorance is motivated by IDOLATRY. Some years ago I realized how common IDOLATRY is in Christendom, starting with doctrine and KJVO-ism.

 

[Wrangler]

As if you have anything better to offer. You can have your tyrannical church-god. Believe or burn. (extortion)

On the contrary. The truth Is far better than the fantasy of escaping justice you seek.

God makes us an offer we CAN refuse. This is because he gave us Liberty along with Life. With freedom comes responsibility. There are consequences to whatever we choose. Choose carefully.

It’s shameful that you blame God, castigate his Grace in giving us freedom of choice as oppressive and tyrannical. That’s how lost you are!

 

[Wrangler]

Your responses are just like Quiet's, when faced with the substance of @Wrangler's post, you couldn't engage with the content, so you resorted to your usual empty one-liners with a hint of sarcastic humor.

Very insightful.

I was took @St. SteVen to task for only putting enough effort in to form proto-thoughts. He consistently expresses something short of fully thought out ideas, holding his speculations of what could be true AS GOOD OR BETTER than what is actually true.

Jesus did NOT say he is the speculation, life and way. @St. SteVen stays at the superficial level and I see he continues to attempt to compensate for depth with prolific thread starts. Revealing.

 

[quietthinker]

Agreed. I doubt they believe what they claim.


How and why is because of something I support; freedom. Freedom of religion and speech.

In the arena of ideas, bad ideas must be displaced by better ideas. This, through open discussion, debate, experiment, evidence and reason.

One tactic of the Adversary is to put forth ideas that are made to seem better than YHWH’s Creative design for the world. Universal salvation once appealed to me.

It was only after I embraced humility enough to trust God’s word and plan more than my own judgment that I realized Satan’s pathway of seduction, temptation and pride at play with these false doctrines.

Humility is a quality that doesn't speak of itself. When it does, it becomes questionable as being humility.....particularly when it is measured as 'enough humility'.

Humility is like pregnancy; you either are or you aren't. Speaking of one's own humility is nothing short of ego off the rails.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Very insightful.

I was took @St. SteVen to task for only putting enough effort in to form proto-thoughts. He consistently expresses something short of fully thought out ideas, holding his speculations of what could be true AS GOOD OR BETTER than what is actually true.

Jesus did NOT say he is the speculation, life and way. @St. SteVen stays at the superficial level and I see he continues to attempt to compensate for depth with prolific thread starts. Revealing.

It seems that St. Steven doesn't fully develop his ideas because he lacks a solid foundation and a clear stance on what is true. After following his threads for a while, I've noticed a recurring pattern in his approach. It's become clear to me that he isn't truly interested in seeking or discussing what is true and real. Rather, his focus seems to be on undermining the establishment. However, he doesn't have the scriptural depth to support this, mainly because he hasn't invested enough time in God's Word to truly know Him.

 

[MonoBiblical]

t was only after I embraced humility enough to trust God’s word and plan more than my own judgment that I realized Satan’s pathway of seduction, temptation and pride at play with these false doctrines.

Am I a universalist? really...
And @Hiddenthings

 

[Marvelloustime]

Aint that something my dear friend .
And yet it seems so very few can see this is occuring RIGHT NOW within much of christendom and the worlds religoins .
I see lots of false prophets , whether in wool or not
ALL prophesying , OH GOD has this plan for WORLD PEACE
go to and let us preach ecumeincal interfaith , AND SAY all RELGIOINS are okay
LET US GO up for we shall have the victory , we shall have the peace n saf ety .
BUT LIKE AHAB they have no idea ITS A DELUSION and it will be FOR THEIR OWN destruction on the Great
and MIGHTY DAY of GOD ALL MIG HTY and THE LAMB , whom THEY ALL DENIED . thanks for all this lovely
scriptures my friend . A str ong delusion . YOU BET .
truly , i dont care what anyone says about ya , You know i loves ya . N OW hit the trenches we have us a gospel to defend .

@amigo de christo

 

[St. SteVen]

@amigo de christo
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I'll ask you for the third time, stop trolling my topics with off-topic posts. Thanks.

 

[Wrangler]

What is it about those scriptures that get your attention Lizbeth? Is it the idea that God kills and gives life, hates and loves?...arbitrarily?.....because he is the Boss?

Yes, God is the Boss. It's his universe; we're just living in it. What is it about this that causes you to bristle?

 

[Wrangler]

Am I a universalist? really...
And @Hiddenthings

I was speaking of myself and my journey. Has your reading of Scripture not altered your understanding of doctrines held before such reading?

@quietthinker bemoans Scripture that leads him to observe "God kills and gives life, hates and loves?...arbitrarily?" One Pastor pointed out that our God is an emotional God. Perhaps he is confusing arbitrary with emotion and this used to bristle against perceived tyranny. Does grieving the spirit of God have no application?

Consider the fruit of the Spirit:

1. love,
2. joy,
3. peace,
4. patience,
5. kindness,
6. goodness,
7. faithfulness,
8. gentleness, and
9. self-control.

Perhaps it is us who impose on God an expectation of self-control for him to be a total stoic with no emotional expression - or acting on those emotions - one little bit? The whole line of thinking is blasphemous.