THE CHURCH, THE BODY OF CHRIST, WILL NOT FACE THE WRATH OF THE TRIBULATION

[rebuilder 454]

‘Nothing here about the rapture or resurrection.

Sorry but you ignore the crystal clear irrefutable words of Jesus Christ and Paul to try and project your theory into a passage of scripture.


The second coming of Jesus Christ is when the resurrection and rapture takes place.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15


In the book of Revelation that occurs in Chapter 19, not 14.

I never said and never have believed rev14;14
is THE rapture of 1 thes 4.

Rev 14:14 just will not go away via doctrinal attempts.
Way too much to hide and invent.

The facts that won't go away;
1) They are gathered and Preceeded by First-fruits Jews.( that are gathered to heaven.)

2) They are NOT preceeded by FIRSTFRUITS JESUS.( another twist to their dynamic).
This really speaks volumes as the 144,000 ARE NOT FIRSTFUIT JESUS. THEY ARE A UNIQUE FIRSTFRUITS.

3) They are gathered by JESUS sitting on a cloud holding a SICKLE.
Definately NOT THE SECOND COMING ON HORSES.

4) They are gathered during the trib and before the wrath

5) They are implied to have gone to heaven (due to the fact the Firstfruit 144,000 are ALREADY in heaven as a HARVEST, so the Jewish main harvest automatically follows them to heaven)

6) 1 Thes 4 tells us nobody precedes the dead in christ raised.....so that ends everything but a pretrib rapture.

 

[rebuilder 454]

‘Nothing here about the rapture or resurrection.

Sorry but you ignore the crystal clear irrefutable words of Jesus Christ and Paul to try and project your theory into a passage of scripture.


The second coming of Jesus Christ is when the resurrection and rapture takes place.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15


In the book of Revelation that occurs in Chapter 19, not 14.

I never said the rapture was Rev 14:14.
The rapture is pretrib as Jesus taught.
Take it up with him.
But Rev 14:14 HAS A GATHERING BEFORE the second coming of rev 19.

You can't see that that destroys any hope of a second coming rapture????
The dead in christ are PRECEDED ?????
Your doctrine has the dead in christ raised AFTER the living of Rev 14:14???????

Postrib doctrine is so poorly thought out.

 

[JLB]

The rapture is pretrib as Jesus taught.

‘The rapture is at the coming of the Lord as Jesus taught.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15

Do you believe the coming of the Lord is after the tribulation?

• and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:29-31

 

[rebuilder 454]

‘The rapture is at the coming of the Lord as Jesus taught.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15

Do you believe the coming of the Lord is after the tribulation?

• and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:29-31

Here He is coming in power and great glory:
Rev 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Ahem....that is at the END OF THE 7 YR TRIB.

REV 14:14 has a gathering BEFORE THE SECOND COMING.

That makes 1 thes 4 a lie in your theory.
AN IMPOSSIBILITY.
Your are placing the dead in Christ raised AFTER the living of Rev 14:14.

No postribber can wiggle out of it.

What can you possibly come up with?