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IS THERE ONE COMING OF THE LORD JESUS OR TWO?
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rebuilder 454
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I really wasn't going to reply to this thread - a second coming brings all the hate the first coming did, right? - but how could I deny your faith? One is on the ground, the other is in the air - you are so perceptive!
What you have to remember is that if you don't know the day or hour of the first coming, how will you know the season or the decade of the other?
Really, we should be encouraging each other to anticipate Jesus how ever He wants to Return and when.
Don't forget, if He is rejected for the first Return, He may never come a second time? Not that God grows in spite, but Mankind is obligated to grow in conviction, if there is to be anything to save (with His Return)?
What you have to remember is that if you don't know the day or hour of the first coming, how will you know the season or the decade of the other?
Really, we should be encouraging each other to anticipate Jesus how ever He wants to Return and when.
Don't forget, if He is rejected for the first Return, He may never come a second time? Not that God grows in spite, but Mankind is obligated to grow in conviction, if there is to be anything to save (with His Return)?
Taken
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IS THERE ONE COMING OF THE LORD JESUS OR TWO?
In context…
*
God “SENT” His WORD forth out of Gods Mouth, in A Body God “prepared” In the Likeness AS an Earthly man.
**
Isa 55:11
Heb 10:5
* God “SENT” His WORD “TO” a Virgin womb, of a faithful Jewish Female, betrothed “TO” a Jewish man “OF” the House of king David.
* God revealed the “babe” God “SENT” TO the females virgin womb…”IS” a “holy thing”, “IS” male, “IS” called the Son of man, “IS” the LORDS Lord, “IS” Named JESUS…
“SHALL BE” called, The Son of God…
Luke 1:35
“THEREAFTER” the babes birth (some 30 years Later) God revealed:
“THAT specific “WORD of God” ( in the Likeness / body, AS an Earthly man )…
IS IN Fact…The “CHRIST”.
* Scripture Reveals…
JESUS “IS”
The WORD of God…….John 1:1
The WORD of God “IS”
The WAY, TRUTH, LIFE of God…John 14:6
The CHRIST “IS”…
The POWER of God……1 Cor 1:24
The WISDOM of God…1 Cor 1:24
The SEED of God……….Gal. 3:16, Luke 8:11
* Scripture Reveals…
God “purposed in Himself” To Accomplish His Will… Eph. 1:9
One Coming OF “the Son of man”.
One Revealing OF “the Son of man, IS the Christ.
One Revealing the Christ IS the Power of God…
Who was SENT to Earth?
The WORD of God in a prepared body, in the the likeness AS an earthly man.
Who LEFT Earth and Returned TO Heaven?
The Son of man (with Power)…
Who Shall Return to Earth?
The Son of man with Power.
How many Times? Once.
Who shall descend from High heaven to the lower Heaven (clouds)… the Lord.
To do what?
Summon up to Him Christs Church, ie. THEY, already MADE WHOLE… sanctified, soul, spirit, body.
Who shall Send down from Heaven, His Wrath upon the Earth and its inhabitants, NOT MADE WHOLE?
The Lamb of God.
Who shall Effect his WRATH upon the inhabitants of the Earth, WHO reject his MARK of allegiance?
The Devil.
Who shall SUMMON the Tribes of ISRAEL to gather… And SEND “reserved Tribesman” TO preach Gods Truth TO Them?
God.
Who Shall, Avenge With Punishing and Death Judgements, Men WHO Antagonized, Bullied, Advocated and participated in Murdering men in standing and allegiance WITH God?
God.
And… WHO shall temporarily imprison Spirits (Angels) who fell from Grace?
God.
Who Shall remain Alive ON Earth, After SUCH
“Spiritual Works ARE Accomplished”?
Human, Earthly men, WHO…
* Came into Belief during the Tribulation and escaped the experience of a physical Death.
Who Shall THEN … Literally “Return” TO the Face of the Earth?
Christ the Lord Jesus.
And WHO shall “accompany” Christ the Lord Jesus’ on His Return?
* His Holy Angel Spirit Servants.
* His Church. ( earthly men, transformed, MADE Whole, body, soul, spirit), called collectively, “saints”, Faithful Servants of The Lord God Almighty.
Glory to God,
Taken
In context…
*
God “SENT” His WORD forth out of Gods Mouth, in A Body God “prepared” In the Likeness AS an Earthly man.
**
Isa 55:11
Heb 10:5
* God “SENT” His WORD “TO” a Virgin womb, of a faithful Jewish Female, betrothed “TO” a Jewish man “OF” the House of king David.
* God revealed the “babe” God “SENT” TO the females virgin womb…”IS” a “holy thing”, “IS” male, “IS” called the Son of man, “IS” the LORDS Lord, “IS” Named JESUS…
“SHALL BE” called, The Son of God…
Luke 1:35
“THEREAFTER” the babes birth (some 30 years Later) God revealed:
“THAT specific “WORD of God” ( in the Likeness / body, AS an Earthly man )…
IS IN Fact…The “CHRIST”.
* Scripture Reveals…
JESUS “IS”
The WORD of God…….John 1:1
The WORD of God “IS”
The WAY, TRUTH, LIFE of God…John 14:6
The CHRIST “IS”…
The POWER of God……1 Cor 1:24
The WISDOM of God…1 Cor 1:24
The SEED of God……….Gal. 3:16, Luke 8:11
* Scripture Reveals…
God “purposed in Himself” To Accomplish His Will… Eph. 1:9
One Coming OF “the Son of man”.
One Revealing OF “the Son of man, IS the Christ.
One Revealing the Christ IS the Power of God…
Who was SENT to Earth?
The WORD of God in a prepared body, in the the likeness AS an earthly man.
Who LEFT Earth and Returned TO Heaven?
The Son of man (with Power)…
Who Shall Return to Earth?
The Son of man with Power.
How many Times? Once.
Who shall descend from High heaven to the lower Heaven (clouds)… the Lord.
To do what?
Summon up to Him Christs Church, ie. THEY, already MADE WHOLE… sanctified, soul, spirit, body.
Who shall Send down from Heaven, His Wrath upon the Earth and its inhabitants, NOT MADE WHOLE?
The Lamb of God.
Who shall Effect his WRATH upon the inhabitants of the Earth, WHO reject his MARK of allegiance?
The Devil.
Who shall SUMMON the Tribes of ISRAEL to gather… And SEND “reserved Tribesman” TO preach Gods Truth TO Them?
God.
Who Shall, Avenge With Punishing and Death Judgements, Men WHO Antagonized, Bullied, Advocated and participated in Murdering men in standing and allegiance WITH God?
God.
And… WHO shall temporarily imprison Spirits (Angels) who fell from Grace?
God.
Who Shall remain Alive ON Earth, After SUCH
“Spiritual Works ARE Accomplished”?
Human, Earthly men, WHO…
* Came into Belief during the Tribulation and escaped the experience of a physical Death.
Who Shall THEN … Literally “Return” TO the Face of the Earth?
Christ the Lord Jesus.
And WHO shall “accompany” Christ the Lord Jesus’ on His Return?
* His Holy Angel Spirit Servants.
* His Church. ( earthly men, transformed, MADE Whole, body, soul, spirit), called collectively, “saints”, Faithful Servants of The Lord God Almighty.
Glory to God,
Taken
rebuilder 454
Well-Known Member
Two harvests.
Two firstfruits.
Two wives.
Two gatherings.
Two comings in Matt 24.
The grain harvest and the fruit harvest (2 separate harvests)
Grain harvest has the wheat and barley. (2 parts of the grain harvest).
Ruth is the grain harvest.
Gomer is the fruit harvest.
You will never see the postrib doctrine investigate the harvest dynamic.
They are oblivious to it.
They even skip over "firstfruits" and have no idea what that is..
Nor will you ever see them investigate the bride/ groom component.
They do not know the meaning of Ruth or Hosea.
It is appalling, at this late hour, to not know the heart and center of end times....the gathering of the bride.
They search superficially and have ended up shallow because others do their limited shallow research.
Rev 14 escapes them totally.. .TOTALLY.
As does the virgin parable.
....and they could care less.
Two firstfruits.
Two wives.
Two gatherings.
Two comings in Matt 24.
The grain harvest and the fruit harvest (2 separate harvests)
Grain harvest has the wheat and barley. (2 parts of the grain harvest).
Ruth is the grain harvest.
Gomer is the fruit harvest.
You will never see the postrib doctrine investigate the harvest dynamic.
They are oblivious to it.
They even skip over "firstfruits" and have no idea what that is..
Nor will you ever see them investigate the bride/ groom component.
They do not know the meaning of Ruth or Hosea.
It is appalling, at this late hour, to not know the heart and center of end times....the gathering of the bride.
They search superficially and have ended up shallow because others do their limited shallow research.
Rev 14 escapes them totally.. .TOTALLY.
As does the virgin parable.
....and they could care less.
The only thing I would say needs to be considered is if there is one second coming only and its at the end of the tribulation then we in this this dispensation will have to acknowledge we must endure the tribulation. That affects our hope of his coming for us and our assurance of salvation
Are we just talking about the major comings of the Lord, or about every coming of the Lord that I and many others will experience as we walk with Jesus on our salvation journey.
The first major coming of the Lord happened 2,000 or so years ago.
The Second Coming of the Lord is still over 1,000 years into our future.
The first major coming of the Lord happened 2,000 or so years ago.
The Second Coming of the Lord is still over 1,000 years into our future.
The body of Christ will be raptured and not endure the tribulation. The tribulation is centered on Israel
Ronald Nolette
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Just one coming- when Jesus physically returns. The rapture is not a coming to earth. it is a coming into the atmosphere, which is not a biblical coming, but a gethering.
[1Th 4:15 KJV] "For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep."
Paul calls the rapture his COMING also
ScottA
Well-Known Member
That is a good gathering of the scriptures--and it is true--Jesus comes twice. But your understanding and commentary of it all is not good.
Jesus came in the flesh (1). He also comes or returns again in the glory of the Father, which is to say, in spirit (2). That's it.
All of the verses and passages that describe Jesus coming seemingly in the future, are only seemingly in the future because they speak in terms of heavenly activity. But the verses are clear: Those events are "in the clouds of heaven"--meaning--in heaven, and not in this world. Not all the passages are that clear, but all are of events occurring in heaven, in other words, in spirit for those "who are alive and remain" in the world in a rapturous, born again experience, or in our passing from this world.
As for the mention of Jesus' feet touching down on the Mount of Olives, the words are spirit given in parable language. They speak of heavenly places using earthly places as examples. In other word, just as the promise land of God is not actually the Middle East, but heaven, and the heavenly Jerusalem is not the earthly Jerusalem--all of these passages given, first by God's making them manifest in the world, but only in "likeness" of all that is in heaven, in His presence.
Even so, men of the world think only in terms of the world, and the truth from God escapes them.
Ronald Nolette
Well-Known Member
Now learn the difference between "paruosia" and "erchomai" The rapture is a form of coming of jesus, but it is not His return.
Yes ok, but you are saying there are two comings: does the third coming come with tribulation for those who are on Earth?
Ronald Nolette
Well-Known Member
Then study the original languages and learn the nuanced differences. Jesus "coming" is His return to earth. The rapture is Jesus descending to the clouds. That is A "coming" (generic) but not THE "coming" (specific).that is what the Scriptures say
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