The challenge in Christianity is not to love Jesus, it's to love Judas.

[amigo de christo]

Only a misguided Christian would question Christ’s love for Judas without also reflecting on the love Judas had for Christ.

John 13:30

"He (Judas) went out" - This mirrors the actions of Cain (Gen 4:16) and the unforgiving servant (Matt 18:28), as well as those who "went out from us" (1 John 2:19).

"And it was night" - Just as during the Passover, Judas stepped into the "darkness" of death, much like the Egyptian darkness (which could be felt). Judas, a man who walked in darkness (John 11:7-10), was now fulfilling the words, "This is your hour, when darkness reigns" (Luke 22:53). He was headed toward the "outer darkness" (Matt 25:30).

Matthew 25:30: "And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Why is there weeping and gnashing of teeth in this place of outer darkness? @Lizbeth

have you noticed it yet .
Have you noticed these two simple things my friend .
That this generation that often speaks SO great about loving on their enemies
DO NOT correct the sin that is upon them .
HAVE you noticed that while they are often huge about saying things l ike , loving judas
THEY SURE DO seem to hate on the inspired words of TRUTJH in scripture .

 

[Hiddenthings]

have you noticed it yet .
Have you noticed these two simple things my friend .
That this generation that often speaks SO great about loving on their enemies
DO NOT correct the sin that is upon them .
HAVE you noticed that while they are often huge about saying things l ike , loving judas
THEY SURE DO seem to hate on the inspired words of TRUTJH in scripture .

Yes, I have, which is why I felt compelled to put a stop to both of them, their mouths are open sepulchers, spreading lies and undermining the clear teachings of the Apostles. Romans 3:13

 

[St. SteVen]

@St. SteVen – Please read John 11:7-10 and explain why the teaching of "outer darkness" is described as a place of weeping and gnashing of teeth. How can we be certain that Judas ended up in such a place? In what way does his death reflect this "outer darkness"? Lastly, explain why there is no hope for Judas, and why even loving him cannot alter his ultimate fate.

No hope for Judas?
Do you consider Judas an enemy of Jesus?

Jesus taught us to love our enemies. (Matthew 5:43-48)
What do you suppose He will do with His?
(unless you believe that He operates at a lower standard than He holds us to) ???

 

[Hiddenthings]

No hope for Judas?
Do you consider Judas an enemy of Jesus?

Jesus taught us to love our enemies. (Matthew 5:43-48)
What do you suppose He will do with His?
(unless you believe that He operates at a lower standard than He holds us to) ???

It matters not what the Bible teaches you SteVen - you are the author of your own destiny!

John 11:7-10 is with you!

 

[amigo de christo]

No hope for Judas?
Do you consider Judas an enemy of Jesus?

Jesus taught us to love our enemies. (Matthew 5:43-48)
What do you suppose He will do with His?
(unless you believe that He operates at a lower standard than He holds us to) ???

whats next with this generation that we should love satan and count him not as an enemy .
St steven , you all been carried into a serious deluision .
ONE , which in fact does not love , not its enemies or the brethren . SEEING IT ALLOWS SINS UPON THEM
EVEN UNBELEIF upon them .
Kinda odd dont ya think .
You spend all this time always trying to spread what YOU THINK is the love of GOD
what you think is loving folks
AND YET WOW , it allows lies , sins and unbelief to remain upon its peoples
and about the only ones it will e ven dare to correct
AER T HOSE who bring the v ery scrips and words of the LORD by which to help this people .
SO MUCH for the LOVE of G OD my friend . YOU ALL bought into what is known as the LOVE of the world
YET beleive it to be THE LOVE OF GOD .
YE shall not HATE your neighbor in your heart , YE SHALL CORRECT him and NOT ALLOW sin upon him .
oops . someone got decieved . LO VE rejoices IN THE TRUTH , not a big end time f airy tale cuymbia
that preaches a inclusive type of unbeleif upon this people .
BIBLE TIME , st s teven . TIME to read it f or you and stop rather t rying to twist it unto thine own destruction .

 

[amigo de christo]

How did these men @St. SteVen and @quietthinker arrive here?

While Jesus did teach us to love our enemies (Matthew 5:43-48), this doesn’t mean that loving them will automatically lead to their salvation.

Loving someone, even an enemy, is about showing compassion, forgiveness, and reflecting God’s love. However, it doesn’t change their spiritual condition before God unless there is a Godly grieving which leads to life and not death as Paul taught.

2 Corinthians 7:10 "For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief (Judas) produces death."

@amigo de christo @Lizbeth @Wrangler

When Stephen asks, 'No hope for Judas?' in light of the Lord calling him the 'Son of Perdition,' it actually raises a question about SteVen's understanding if not his intelligence. How could someone like Judas possibly have any hope, given that the title itself implies a person condemned to self-destruction and is used in the context of utter loss?

I think it's time SteVen had his 'asking question' privileges revoked.

Maybe a new thread with a survey is in order!

"Should SteVen have his asking question privileges revoked?"

St steven has come only to plant doubt in the scriptures
To preach a love that will leave its peoples still t rapped in bondage , still in unbeleif
still in sin .
He has sat under deconstruction and has loved what they twisted unto his ears .
HE trusts not in the original scrips as writ ten . And at most will only use some scripture
but do so and does so to undermine the authority of the very GOD inspired scriptures
Given by GOD , spoken by CHRIST , written later also by the true apostels who were INSPIRED BY GOD .
I cannot count the times this man has come in to undermine the very scrips given UNTO the church .
Heed not a word one ou tta his mouth . Soon enough more of his inclusive gospel
he will bring to the surface . And believe me its a very BROAD INCLUSIVE gospel indeed .
its bad news my friend . IT HAS DENIED THE VERY CHRIST of which they do try and cliam THEY BELIEVE
but its quite obvious by the way they undermine the true scrips that they indeed do the wo rks of another my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

It matters not what the Bible teaches you SteVen - you are the author of your own destiny!

John 11:7-10 is with you!

he who walks in darkness knows not at what he stumbles .
And let us never forget
That if the light that is in one be darkness , THEN great is that darkness .
Never marvel nor be once shocked that this can and often does happen .
FOR were we not warned by the true ones
was it not said and written
that even satan can appear as an angel of light . THOUGH HE SURE BE DARKNESS

THUS marvel not if his minstirs can indeed appear to be as men of righteousness
DO not be suprised at all my friend .
THE very words JESUS had given to the true apostels
who later after having been baptized BY THE SPIRIT would also expound on such lovely words ,
MANY have trod under foot . Being given rather unto smooth and ear tickling sermons
that often can speak and say GOD IS LOVE
but know nothing of this GOD or HIS LOVE . as they all cl ambor to a l ove of the world , NOT OF GOD .

 

[Wrangler]

St steven has come only to plant doubt in the scriptures

He has sat under deconstruction and has loved what they twisted unto his ears .
HE trusts not in the original scrips as writ ten . And at most will only use some scripture
but do so and does so to undermine the authority of the very GOD inspired scriptures

Heed not a word one ou tta his mouth .

This is one of the best posts I've ever read from you. On topic! Good job.

 

[Wrangler]

"Should SteVen have his asking question privileges revoked?"

If only there was a way to differentiate rhetorical questions designed to produce doubt in God, and the Scriptures he inspired, from sincerely wanting more knowledge and understanding.

 

[amigo de christo]

This is one of the best posts I've ever read from you. On topic! Good job.

Yes always remember no matter how much a man can say GOD IS LOVE
we had better examine this god and this version of love it do bring .
Deconstruction has indeed spread much farther into many places than we realize .
though it does not come always under that name deconstruction .
And beleive me it do undermine the scrips , the words of GOD all mi ghty , of the lamb an d of the apostels .
Be encouraged wrangler . But i want us all to also beware
for many leaders do and have done this work .

 

[amigo de christo]

If only there was a way to differentiate rhetorical questions designed to produce doubt in God, and the Scriptures he inspired, from sincerely wanting more knowledge and understanding.

There is wrangler . There is indeed a way to do so .
ANYONE asking a rhetorical question designed to produce doubt in GOD and the scriptures HE inspired
WILL DO just that . THEY will ask , BUT WILL not hear nor heed the answers given by men WHO USE
the scrips to show them the error .
ONE who comes in to plant doubts , DOES NOT REPENT , NOR will hear or heed correction .
HE ONLY DOUBLES DOWN on his planting of doubts .
AS for anyone else who was simply asking questions from sincere hearts wanting more knowledge
and understanding . TEHY WILL NOT continousl y d ouble down and resist the truth .
THEY will hear it and will recieve it . OH I know many people do ask questions for no other reason
THAN they do desire to know more . But also we have many who ask questions
ONLY TO PLANT DOUBTS . They can be easily discerned my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

How did these men @St. SteVen and @quietthinker arrive here?

While Jesus did teach us to love our enemies (Matthew 5:43-48), this doesn’t mean that loving them will automatically lead to their salvation.

Loving someone, even an enemy, is about showing compassion, forgiveness, and reflecting God’s love. However, it doesn’t change their spiritual condition before God unless there is a Godly grieving which leads to life and not death as Paul taught.

2 Corinthians 7:10 "For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief (Judas) produces death."

@amigo de christo @Lizbeth @Wrangler

When Stephen asks, 'No hope for Judas?' in light of the Lord calling him the 'Son of Perdition,' it actually raises a question about SteVen's understanding if not his intelligence. How could someone like Judas possibly have any hope, given that the title itself implies a person condemned to self-destruction and is used in the context of utter loss?

I think it's time SteVen had his 'asking question' privileges revoked.

Maybe a new thread with a survey is in order!

"Should SteVen have his asking question privileges revoked?"

even worse is the fact that THE idea many think is loving their n eighbor and or e nemies
AINT AT ALL LOVING THEM . FOR IT LEAVES THEM IN THE DARK , IT LEAVES THEM IN SIN
IT leaves them IN UNBELIEF and just makes them feel cozy and loved but does not correct them

 

[Lizbeth]

So, because you see some of them not using the money as you want, you just stopped giving to any of them?
How is that right?

Listen, dont focus on THEM.........as God is looking at YOU.... at your heart, and at my heart.
He knows all about them...........and when He tells us to give, that is what He means.
Its HIS money, and we get to use it, and He told us to give to the Poor.
Jesus said...."the poor will always be with you".

God never told us to "only give to the rightesous poor".. "only give to the poor who will be responsible".

C'mon.
The reason they are poor and living out of a dumpter is because they have messed up their lives.
So, they are not responsible, and that is why they are on the street.

So, lets help them.......according to the instruction to give to the POOR.
Are they poor?
That that is all we need to know.

God is not mocked...we shouldn't be either.

 

[Lizbeth]

You want to tell the fourm to only give them food?


What i know is that the poor are suffering and i know how to relieve it., and i do.
Its not a cure, but its a blessing to them.

God said """Give"""".....and He never told us to "pray about it first".

So, if You see a dirty street person.....thin, suffering, do you need to "pray about helping them"?

Did God have to pray about it first, when He told us to "give to the poor"?

Goodness me, aren't we called to exercise wisdom at any time? There are lots of things you can "give to the poor" that isn't made in a mint. And yes we should pray about what to give if we aren't sure about a situation....that is called asking God for His wisdom and counsel.

 

[quietthinker]

How did these men @St. SteVen and @quietthinker arrive here?

While Jesus did teach us to love our enemies (Matthew 5:43-48), this doesn’t mean that loving them will automatically lead to their salvation.

Loving someone, even an enemy, is about showing compassion, forgiveness, and reflecting God’s love. However, it doesn’t change their spiritual condition before God unless there is a Godly grieving which leads to life and not death as Paul taught.

2 Corinthians 7:10 "For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief (Judas) produces death."

@amigo de christo @Lizbeth @Wrangler

When Stephen asks, 'No hope for Judas?' in light of the Lord calling him the 'Son of Perdition,' it actually raises a question about SteVen's understanding if not his intelligence. How could someone like Judas possibly have any hope, given that the title itself implies a person condemned to self-destruction and is used in the context of utter loss?

I think it's time SteVen had his 'asking question' privileges revoked.

Maybe a new thread with a survey is in order!

"Should SteVen have his asking question privileges revoked?"

Here we go....when intent to control is the go to, the motivating spirit is desperate.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Here we go....when intent to control is the go to, the motivating spirit is desperate.

The anguished cry of someone unable to confront the text, the truth, or how it's applied...it's special pleading taken to an entirely new level.

 

[quietthinker]

The anguished cry of someone unable to confront the text, the truth, or how it's applied...it's special pleading taken to an entirely new level.

Thank you for another side step....in an attempt to take scrutiny off your desires....ie, to control

 

[Hiddenthings]

from sincerely wanting more knowledge and understanding.

They’re given plenty of clear, straightforward truth, yet none of it is actually addressed. Will SteVen or Quiet ever seek to understand the Son of Perdition, how he became who he is, the symbolism of his death, the prophecy surrounding him, and so on?
Will we ever see them come into agreement with the Word? Time will tell.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Thank you for another side step....in an attempt to take scrutiny off your desires....ie, to control

So, at first it was trains, then you played the victim card alot, and now you have moved onto pleading "control" as a means of avoiding the vast number of unanswered posts in this thread.

This is how your chutzpah is revealed?

 

[St. SteVen]

They’re given plenty of clear, straightforward truth, yet none of it is actually addressed. Will SteVen or Quiet ever seek to understand the Son of Perdition, how he became who he is, the symbolism of his death, the prophecy surrounding him, and so on?
Will we ever see them come into agreement with the Word? Time will tell.

Son of Perdition?
Which one? John 17:12; 2 Thessalonians 2:3