Who really created the Son of God?

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Matthias

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Are there two YHWHs?

No. There is only one Yahweh.

Gen 19:24
And Yahweh rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Yahweh out of heaven

See additional translations of the verse which make it perfectly clear that there is only one Yahweh.

The God and Father of Jesus is Yahweh.
 

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Dr. Heiser is speaking about a Jewish heresy.

Can you not acknowledge that Jesus ascended to only one person, his God and Father?
He is speaking about what Jews believed before modern Judaism, in the times of Jesus and before. It is heresy for modern Judaism, but who cares about modern Judaism?

In many instances in the OT, there are two YHWHs or YHWH and the angel of YHWH. And do not forget the Son of man coming on clouds (which is the description of YHWH).
 

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He is speaking about what Jews believed before modern Judaism, in the time of Jesus. It is heresy for modern Judaism, but who cares about modern Judaism?

There is only one power in heaven.

Jesus’ God is only one person, the Father. And you think you can persuade me (or anyone else) that that is not Biblical?
 

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There is only one power in heaven.

Jesus’s God is only one person, the Father. And you think you can persuade me (or anyone else) that that is not Biblical?
Watch the video so that I do not need to copy here dozen of verses from the OT describing two YHWHs or two deities.
 

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Watch the video so that I do not need to copy here dozen of verses from the OT describing two YHWHs or two deities.

Two deities is polytheism.

Jesus isn’t a polytheist. He is a monotheist. His God and Father, Yahweh, is only one person.
 

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Two deities is polytheism.

Jesus isn’t a polytheist. He is a monotheist. His God and Father, Yahweh, is only one person.
Again, watch the video to see the texts. Accepting what the Bible says leads to either polytheism or to a triune God. Christians chose the triune God.
 
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@HealthyShape @David Lamb @JLB @Nancy

God the Father, one person, made his one-of-a-kind only son. He also held power over his Son's miracles and words. He gave them through his own word (logos) and Spirit, working via or through his Son. The Father owns the authority, word, and spirit of life. The Son just carries(ed) them as the agent for his Father's will and the execution of his plan.

Seeing Scripture this way, you'll see Yeshua as a chosen man, a son of man and not a hybrid being (god-man). God anointed him. The Father took hold of this son of man for his word or plan of our salvation.


Only a true human Son of God could get that anointing from God, his Father, the one true God. It marked the Father's Spirit entering him. The Spirit guided him right to the Cross that saves us.


Scripture verses for this post are out there. Check them yourself and hold them as true.
 

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Again, watch the video to see the texts. Accepting what the Bible says leads to either polytheism or to a triune God. Christians chose the triune God.

I’ve watched the video. You’re a polytheist; Jesus isn’t.
 

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No. There is only one Yahweh.



See additional translations of the verse which make it perfectly clear that there is only one Yahweh.

The God and Father of Jesus is Yahweh.

For example,

“Then the LORD rained down sulfur and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah. It was sent down by the LORD.”

(Genesis 19:24, NET)

There is only one Yahweh.
 

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God the Father, one person, made his one-of-a-kind only son.
The Son is not made, He is begotten.

Seeing Scripture this way, you'll see Yeshua as a chosen man, a son of man and not a hybrid being (god-man). God anointed him. The Father took hold of this son of man for his word or plan of our salvation.
Jesus came from his Father, He came from heaven, He was before Abraham, He is coming on the clouds of heaven (the sign of YHWH) and He is God.
 

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But Jesus is God too.

Yes. The issue is how “Jesus is God”.

If you do not want to have two Gods, you need to have two persons in one God.

Two Gods is polytheism.

Jesus is a Jewish monotheist. He doesn’t have two Gods. His God isn’t two persons in one God.

His God is only one person.
 

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Yes. The issue is how “Jesus is God”.



Two Gods is polytheism.

Jesus is a Jewish monotheist. He doesn’t have two Gods. His God isn’t two persons in one God.

His God is only one person.
If the Son is God, the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God, then we have trinitarianism. Or three Gods, suit yourself.
 
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If the Son is God, the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God, then we have trinitarianism.

No. Even the largest branch of unitarianism makes that claim for their belief.

Trinitarianism is more complicated than that.

Or three Gods, suit yourself.

Jesus ascended to his God and my God.

If you and / or trinitarians want to say that you believe in three Gods, that suits me fine. But that’s not what trinitarianism teaches.
 
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